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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Dow dropped 1000 a few days ago,
and the pundits said it was due to fears of a rate hike.
Today we get a half point hike, and the Dow is up almost 900 at the moment.
What have I missed in this situation?
Tommy Carcetti
(43,199 posts)Albeit far less cute.
Brother Buzz
(36,467 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)If the Dow is at let's say 34000 goes up 20 or down 20 I read reasons why it happened. That is crazy. It can't be determined what was in the minds of those making billions of buys and sells of stock.
clementine613
(561 posts)The other day, they shorted it, so they made it go down. Today they need it to go up.
As long as it makes them money, they don't care if anyone else loses their investments.
FBaggins
(26,760 posts)The possible scenarios are not limited to a rate hike or a lack of a rate hike. The fear a few weeks ago was for more and larger rate hikes than had previously been anticipated - potentially going too far too fast.
Todays hike was was more in line with what had preciously been expected.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Unemployment up?
The market goes up.
Unemployment down?
The market goes up.
Corporate earnings set records?
The market goes up.
Corporate earnings fall?
The market goes up.
Sure maybe not for a day or two for "profit taking" but they have figured out a system that perpetually rises regardless of what is happening to the rest of us.
BruceWane
(345 posts)One word - 401k
Every single day there's millions of dollars poured into the stock market due to the advent of the 401k. Millions of people who are essentially placing "buy" orders every time they receive a paycheck, regardless of what the actual market outlook looks like. This is why so many stock prices have nothing to do with actual company performance. Companies can lose money for years and years with no realistic projection of profitability while their stock price rises and rises.
brooklynite
(94,740 posts)The market has been dropping most of this year, whether the issue is COVID/UKRAINE/INFLATION/INTEREST RATES etc.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Here are a few market extremes Stockman notes.
Amazon is now 43% of the S&P 500 consumer discretionary index;
Nearly two-thirds of the market is underperforming so far this year;
Year-to-date, only one in three stocks is actually in the green;
One in five stocks is down 50% or more from its all-time high;
The five largest stocks in the S&P 500 have a combined market cap that equals that of the smallest 389 stocks;
Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Googlefour companieshave a combined market cap (over $6 trillion) that is greater than the GDP of every country in the world, minus the US and China;
Tesla, having surpassed Walmart (with one-twentieth of the revenue!), has become the ninth-largest stock in the US.
A very few major stocks really drive the market as a whole.
If those top sliver of companies are doing well the market is up.
Concentration of capital in the hands of very persons or corporations skews everything.
walkingman
(7,668 posts)give an explanation of any moves up or down.
bucolic_frolic
(43,306 posts)The rate hike was discounted by the days of fear and trembling.
Turbineguy
(37,370 posts)In normal life you are driving your car. Ahead of you, the door on a parked car opens. You swerve to avoid hitting the open door.
In stock trading you hit the door and take it off along with the arm of the person who opened it.
SYFROYH
(34,184 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,118 posts)This is just a rebound to normal from that artificial mini crash.
Tickle
(2,541 posts)because of inflation.
Beautiful Disaster
(667 posts)I believe they were expecting Powell to hike rates by 0.75% but he's ruled that out for now.
Plus, I'm pretty sure the latest on inflation suggests it's slipping down a bit.
usonian
(9,898 posts)Disaffected
(4,569 posts)sell on news. There are as many clichés and platitudes regarding the stock markets as there are investors.
usonian
(9,898 posts)But this is different from the usual quarterly results speculation. Had to reverse direction.
Then again, I forgot the question.
Getting old, but that beats the alternative.
Shermann
(7,440 posts)Disaffected
(4,569 posts)often unpredictable factors. In many ways it displays chaotic, random behaviour. This however does not discourage many folks from opining on why the market does what it does on any given day, week, or year.
The only reasonably predictable thing about the major indices is that they tend upwards in the long run. That is why "market timing" is a poor investment strategy - you may get lucky for a while but in the long run, you will very likely not come out ahead, or ahead at all, versus a buy & hold approach (and buy & hold a variety of well established, dividend paying companies). And, don't pay much attention to the "pundits" of whom there are many thousands, some professional, some amateur, and are as often wrong as right.
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)The rate hike was already baked in, so just SOP. Wall st will prefer higher interest to higher inflation.
Disaffected
(4,569 posts)"In his post-meeting press conference on Wednesday, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said that additional half-percentage-point rate hikes will be on the table for the next few meetings. But the bank isn't looking to go bigger:"
The last sentence is probably it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,367 posts)Equivalent WSJ headline says "investors reassess Fed comments". So maybe they just felt like partying yesterday, and got round to doing the reading overnight.
Emile
(22,937 posts)where. Their job is to blame everything on socialist spending and covering up for predatory capitalism.