Ya know what? Girls and women that find themselves with unwanted pregnancies many times save us

[brewens]

a fortune down the road by having an abortion. There, I said it! That's one thing I and my best real conservative friend agreed on. He's no longer with us but was a small businessman conservative type. He'd fight you for a tax cut but thought they made all that religion crap up.

No one ever comes out and says abortions save us a fortune in public assistance every year. They cover it from the other end by saying right-wingers don't give a shit about the kids after they are born and are costing us big time if a single mother can't make it, or the kid has medical problems.

[Walleye]

1. GOP treat immigrants like shit. Because they don't wanna pay to educate the children.

[arlyellowdog]

3. They treat immigrants like shit for no reason

I was accosted by a nut screaming about my Biden sticker. He said, “You let these damn immigrants in.” I said, “Our schools can’t hire bus drivers and we have nobody to work the jobs.” He said, “I don’t care. I hate them.”

[iemanja]

5. Did you see this about Texas contesting the Supreme Court decision

requiring public education? https://democraticunderground.com/100216661230

[Walleye]

9. Yes, I saw that headline.That's what I was thinking their excuse is for being mean to immigrants

But when women say they can’t afford another child, right wingers say something like, it’s putting a price tag on the child’s head.

[arlyellowdog]

2. It's a hate of women

If women (or the kind of women that isn’t them) has a poor or disabled child, they don’t care. You are assuming they want to spend tax dollars on the children. It’s about hate, not logic

[gab13by13]

7. The fascists believe it's them v everyone else.

They are going after women now but it doesn't stop there. You are either a fascist or you are the enemy.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. I was just listening to the radio, where they were interviewing...

immigrants and employers about the extension of immigrant work visas.

Everyone was happy. Immigrants about the chance to work for another year, and employers that there's someone to do the work.

[twodogsbarking]

6. It isn't a dollar and cents issue.

Argue the issue. I know it is difficult, being American.

[msfiddlestix]

19. The hell it isn't.

Lack of financial resources and personal economic instability is the primary reason for unwanted pregnancies.

[arlyellowdog]

22. It isn't a money issue for the ones wanting to abolish Roe v Wade

They have no intention of supporting the kids the will require a woman to have. It’s a hate issue.

[msfiddlestix]

23. exactly.

[msfiddlestix]

20. Being an American???????

wtf ?????

[twodogsbarking]

21. Money first. Second. Third. Etc.

Brutal but true. America.

[IronLionZion]

8. Kids shouldn't be a punishment

Every child deserves a family who wants and loves them.

[raccoon]

17. I totally agree, but there are people who think pregnancy is punishment for a woman having sex. Nt

[azureblue]

11. if the government forces

Birth, then the government is responsible for the costs of that decision, from prenatal to age of majority. I think the current estimate, excluding college education, is around $400,000. Red states that forbid abortion, pay up! In advance, in fact, as soon as the woman finds she is pregnant.

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Impact Analysis on Birth: Cost per child & can states handle adding tens of thousands per year?

.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216651288


Is this a truly sustainable position?


A very basic and unscientific SWAG seems to indicate that just adding 10K births every year will bankrupt states.

And with the 800 hundred thousand abortions performed each year in the USA, this cost number will be higher.


I hope these Fiscal Conservatives enjoy paying taxes.



Driving those RED States into further economic collapse as each extra child adds over $320K in costs

You can't put a price on life, actually you can. Every extra birth, above the stasis drives up taxes.

Between education, childcare, medical costs, food supplements, those who can afford to get abortions will, which places the lion's share of births on lower-income families that will have a higher demand for public assistance.


All of those tax-saving fiscal conservatives will do is drive up their local and state property taxes and put their hand out for more federal socialism. Rick Perry tried this shit years ago and in less than one year over 7,000 extra births resulted. It was so bad, he abandoned it. Imagine the simple compounding of just 10,000 extra births each and every year at a cost of $320K per kid over 18 years. This applies to average states, not low-education states like Idaho that pay around $8K per child for education and produde equally poor performers.


Example: 10K kids per year for 18 years will add $3.2 billion to the state tax requirements.


Year 1) 10000 x $12,000/year (birthing, food, heat, utilities, medical costs, daycare, etc.) = $120,000,000 increased taxes
Year 2) Now 20,000 x $12,000/year = $240M
Year 3) Now 30,000 x 12,000/year = $360M
Year 4) $360M + (10000 x $18000/year) (as education starts to kick in) = $360M + $180M = $540M
Continue compounding $180M each year until the oldest kids become emancipated.

And the above example is in 2019 numbers, not adjusted for costs and inflation.


Now, the problem is that no one seems to mention this. I don't know if it's a taboo subject to actually state that life does cost, but one thing is certain, Republicans don't care about the impact to the woman. This argument does not convince them at all. Just demand a financial impact analysis on this subject.

The only way to get to Republicans is to state what it will cost to them and their own families.

.

[PatrickforB]

15. Nah. They will just clamor for gutting all the safety net programs and agitate for new

tax cuts.

The only legitimate purpose for the federal gummint, ya know, is 'defense.' They should keep their sosh-a-list hands off'n our Social Security!

[TheBlackAdder]

18. The majority of those costs will be for education and those Private educating firms what their money

[PatrickforB]

14. You are taking the same tack here as Levitt and Dubner did in

Freakonomics.

When the conventional wisdom was that juvenile gangs would take over our cities, sending crime through the roof in the 1990s, they posited that Roe v Wade kept that from happening. An unwanted baby, you see, tends to be abused and neglected, and so tends to criminal behavior in adolescence and adulthood. By allowing women to abort these fetuses, these unwanted children were never born, and we did not have juvenile gangs taking over our cities in the '90s.

It's a good read.

[sop]

16. Republicans probably wish the Supreme Court would ban abortions only for white christian women,

while still providing (preferably free) abortions for everyone else. The only lives that matter to the white supremacist forced birthers are their own; the thought of being replaced by "those other people" scares them to death.