Many years ago when I was in high school, I remember being told to never lie on your job application

[ck4829]

Woman saying this worked at a bank, either she was really good at saying this or this was genuine. She said this and she said she saw people she liked shamed out and even led out in handcuffs. And that it was just an immoral practice to boot.

Something that I remembered all of the sudden for some reason...

[Chipper Chat]

1. Evidently Amy Kavanaugh and Brett Comey-Barrett

Never learned this lesson.

[2naSalit]

2. Not that I ever made it into SES...

But all the federal jobs I ever had in three different agencies ALL included in their application and hiring process, many times, inform you that lying in any way is considered a crime and is punishable by fines and certainly jail time. So it is also implied, that the higher the office, the more responsibility to abide by the law with severe consequences for illegal activity.

There is a serious vetting process for General Schedule (GS) employees and it's pretty intense, they have the FBI check you out and they interview family and friends. So anything that should have been known about these people should have been made public and had affect on their appointments.

That they lied to gain position should be a major issue and addressed by both DOJ and Congress ASAP.

[MineralMan]

3. When I was selected to attend Russian language school in the USAF,

we had to fill out forms that would be used to investigate us for high-level security clearances. "Don't lie on this form," the person in charge said. "You can go to prison if you do." This was in the mid 1960s.

So, I didn't lie. There were questions on there that a guy might want to lie about, thinking they might not like the answers. But, I didn't. For example, one question asked if you had ever corresponded with anyone from a Communist country. In my early teens, I was an avid short wave radio listener, and sent reception reports to radio stations in almost every Communist country. The idea was to get a pretty postcard, called a QSL card, after sending a reception report to that station. I had dozens of those. I even got free subscriptions to magazines from some of those countries, just for sending in those reports. So, I explained that on the form.

That didn't stop me from getting the security clearance. In fact, my interest in radio listening related to some of the work I'd be doing, and turned out to be an asset.

There was a thorough investigation on each of us who went to language school. FBI people visited my little home town and talked to teachers, neighbors, and more. People there wondered what I might have done to interest the FBI. They were not told why the investigation was taking place.

I didn't lie. I got the clearance, and a free year's worth of college credits from Syracuse University. Some interesting travel, too.

[badhair77]

5. I taught HS English many years and during that time

I spoke to several investigators researching firmer students. For the most part they were candidates for security clearances. They were thorough.

[MineralMan]

6. Yes, those investigations were serious and thorough.

When I returned to my home town on leave, I heard from multiple people who had been questioned about me. They were worried that I was in some sort of trouble.

[bottomofthehill]

7. Ah, the joy of the old Standard Form 86

The SF 86 is a 130 page pain in the ass starting with.

Follow instructions completely or your form will be unable to be processed. If you have any questions, contact the office that provided you the form.

All questions on this form must be answered completely and truthfully in order that the Government may make the determinations described below on a complete record. Penalties for inaccurate or false statements are discussed below.

If you are a current civilian employee of the federal government: failure to answer any questions completely and truthfully could result in an adverse personnel action against you, including loss of employment; with respect to Sections 23, 27, and 29, however, neither your truthful responses nor information derived from those responses will be used as evidence against you in a subsequent criminal proceeding.

[bottomofthehill]

8. Section 23, 27 and 29

Section 23 admitting use of drugs or abuse of alcohol

Section 27 admitting misuse of electronic equipment

Section 29 admitting contact with foreign nationals or something of rhe like

Your answers won’t be used to open criminal investigation, but if you lie, you are signing the entire document under the pains and penalties of perjury.

[MineralMan]

12. You have a very good memory of that form.

I suppose it was Section 29 where my correspondence came up.

[MineralMan]

9. Yes. I didn't remember the designation of that form.

I was just 20 years old. I had no addresses for the people I named as references, but the person supervising the group filling out the form said, "They'll find them just fine."

As a joke, one of the people I named owned the local, small-town pool hall in my home town. He was also the Fire Chief, though. I stopped in there on leave and the guy said, "What the hell are you up to? The FBI was here asking about you."

[bottomofthehill]

10. Ha, similar experience.

High school football coach called my father to ask what I was up to. My dad had not seen or talked to him in 3 years after a few minutes it came up the he had been contacted to set up a meeting with an investigator.

[bottomofthehill]

11. Thankfully the SF 86 is electronic now

You can pull it up and make the necessary changes and resubmit

[drray23]

4. many people do lie to some degree unfortunately

I often sit on interview panels since we often have openings where I work.

We are a scientific research lab and hire scientists as well as a plethora of engineers, software devs, techs, etc..

You would not believe how frequently we see people openly lying on their resumes about things they supposedly are experts at .

More commonly fluent in this or that software, sometimes saying they speak another language fluently when it is not true, etc..


All of these are minor compared to lying to get on the Supreme Court of course.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. Could also apply to Bongbong Marcos, leader in the polls to become president of the Philippines

and, wouldn't you know it, a dubious rich son attendee at the Wharton School of Business ...

One of Rappler’s sources who was in Oxford at the same time that Marcos Jr was in 1975, said it is “possible that he might have received a face-saving diploma, which is not the degree that he claims.” A diploma in political science is different from a bachelor degree.

All Oxford students awarded their degrees and qualified for honors at the end of an academic year are included in the class lists of the university calendar. Marcos Jr’s name does not appear in the class lists or rolls of students who successfully completed their degrees.

His resumé posted on the Senate website indicates he got a Bachelor of Arts degree from Oxford and a Masters in Business from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania which he attended from 1979-1981. As it turns out, he did not complete the course at Wharton and failed to get his MBA degree.

That much he admitted in his statement: “I thereafter did post-graduate studies at the Wharton Business School, University of Pennsylvania, USA, taking up Masters in Business Administration. I was, however, unable to complete the course because I was elected Vice Governor of Ilocos Norte, and had to return home to serve my provincemates (1980-1983),” Marcos added.

https://www.rappler.com/nation/84959-bongbong-marcos-statement-oxford-wharton/

The University of Oxford has waded into a row waged on social media over the education credentials of Philippines presidential candidate Ferdinand Marcos Jr., saying he did not complete his degree.

“According to our records, he did not complete his degree, but was awarded a special diploma in Social Studies in 1978,” Oxford said in an e-mailed reply to questions. “The special diploma was not a full graduate diploma.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-27/oxford-gets-pulled-into-philippine-row-over-marcos-jr-s-degree

A "special diploma" was awarded to a few people who weren't good enough to earn a degree, and does not entitle you to call yourself a "Bachelor of Arts".

A schoolfriend, who remembers their time at Worth School in Britain, remembers him mostly for his access to both a huge chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce, and a small student-driven Mercedes sports car. He was "extremely surprised" that Bongbong was admitted to Oxford, since he was "not very bright" and "didn't apply himself much".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00173zj

[bigtree]

14. Secret Service surprised Dad at home

...turns out he forgot he and his brother both changed their birthdays to Christmas eve to get more presents, and had managed to keep it that way in subsequent records.

Not sure if he shared a laugh with SS, but the CE date remained, at least for our family, and he got through. Don't know if they made him change it back.