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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSpies and Lies, etc. : a two day seminar my brother just attended
It was organized by a friend of mine named Valerie Plame. Some of you might remember her from the Cheney-Bush days when Dick Cheney made the lives of Valerie and her then-husband, Joe Wilson, into absolute misery because Joe wouldn't lie about a fact-finding mission Cheney sent him on to Western Africa.
Aside from a few fans and hangers-on, the gathering was attended by former CIA agents, plus former State and Defense people. My brother used to work in that shadow area for much of his working life, and so when Valerie invited me, and I couldn't make it, my brother was happy to step in for me. He was probably much more at home there than I would have been, anyway.
Much of what was discussed had to do with Putin, where he came from, how he got where he is, and why he ticks the way he does. From what my brother told me, we can't expect much in the way of compromise from him. He gained his idea of success from the first Chechnya revolt, i.e. kill them off, raze their cities to the ground, and start over from the ruins, inserting your own puppets into positions of power. His formula hasn't changed and will not change, although one can't compare Chechya's geography or people to the Ukrainians. Putin now thinks he is Russia, Russia is him, and any dissent from that view is outright treason (no wonder Trump and the Republicans found him to be such a kindred spirit).
Two other topics of interest: our embassy/intelligence people that suffered from the so-called "Havana Syndrome" of debilitating headaches and brain damage, are finally being taken seriously by the Biden Administration. During Trump, the government refused to recognize that they had been seriously injured on the job, and were therefore not entitled to care, treatment, or compensation. The CAT scans showed no brain damage, therefore there was none (so said the Trump administration). One of those affected was there, and he told about the relief of those afflicted that the government was finally offering treatment and acknowledgement that they had been seriously injured, and that those injuries occurred on the job, and the victims WERE thus entitled to treatment. By the way, it WAS brain damage, just not something that was physically detectable. We still don't know what kind of device was used on our embassy, but we do know that it has been used selectively by the Russians elsewhere.
Finally, a fun thing I never knew. Moscow was always a carpet of KGB (and then FSB) agents, following everybody, and therefore making contacts with local people and/or making drop-offs extremely difficult without detection. Things got better when our intelligence people reached out to--Hollywood! They sought help from both make-up artists and magicians. When our people had learned some of the tools of Hollywood's trade, they found their jobs far easier.
This is all the stuff I am supposed to be able to blab on about freely, so I'll stop here. I'll just say that NEXT year, if this is held again, I'll make sure that we do NOT have a 40th wedding anniversary or a 70th birthday, so that I CAN attend next time. It sounded like great fun!
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Thanks for posting DFW.
Make up artists for the for the CIA makes sense. I never thought of using sleight of hand to confuse or conceal.
DFW
(54,409 posts)I listened to my brother's report with my ear glued to the phone.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Glued to every word.
Hollywood tricks used for the CIA would make a great book or movie. I am already envisioning some of the scenes. Unfortunately this topic is probably classified.
I also agree about the Putin strategy that is he locked into his past successful exploits and war crimes for Ukraine.
DFW
(54,409 posts)It came out that make-up tactics were used in the Argo scheme to get our "Canadians" out of Iran.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Would love to see the CIA magic tricks.
DFW
(54,409 posts)My brother's younger son is now on a six month assignment in a Polish city just "this" side of the Ukrainian border. His outfit is supposedly involved in "development aid," whatever that means. He was supposed to be posted in some city on Ukrainian territory, but got relocated to Poland due to the current situation. He doesn't tell us much (like father, like son). He got a full blast dosage of his mom's genes, and looks like a full-blooded Japanese, so I don't think they have him doing much in the way of covert work in that part of the world!
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)I have three relatives in sensitive government positions and they never talk at all.
We know what their college majors were, their training and work locations so we can make some guesses. One was so good at his cover that we didn't realize what he actually did at work until after his death when we went through his belongings.
Your nephew may be doing inside type work, support stuff. But who knows, I can think of a few scenarios which would give him good cover for more active covert work in Ukraine.
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SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Thanks for posting this. It makes a huge difference knowing what's going on behind the wizard's curtain.
The "great and powerful Oz" using Hollywood movie tricks and Magician's sleight of hand is a natural fit. Who would know better how to temporarily suspend a foreign adversaries disbelief than the people who created the concept?
Thanks again.
DFW
(54,409 posts)Suddenly they started having success right and left. Someone in Langley got a good idea, and, for once, was allowed to run with it. Now you see me, and now ты меня не видешь!
brush
(53,791 posts)His Chechnya strategy is not working well in Ukraine.
DFW
(54,409 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,640 posts)Your comments about Putin ring true and so they make sense. Fascinating stuff!
I hope you do get to attend next year. You'll have DU's collective ear on what you can say!
DFW
(54,409 posts)If I go, I don't think I'll do it for 2 days! If I go, I'll fly directly there, but maybe I'll stop in Virginia and spend a few days with my brother on the way back.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Thanks for sharing and you bet I remember Valerie Plame & Joe Wilson.
DFW
(54,409 posts)My opinion is not from youtube clips, either!
Liberal In Texas
(13,556 posts)I thought I'd met a lot of well-known people in my 30 some years in broadcast TV, but I'm always amazed when you post one of your narratives about some of the people you've encountered over the years.
And another interesting post here.
DFW
(54,409 posts)I've known Valerie for some 15 years now. It's a good thing I'm married, because had I not been, I would have been on the first plane to Santa Fe the moment she told me she had gotten divorced! But she has just told me she is very happy with her new man, and I wish her all the best. Her new husband is also named Joe, so she has nothing to fear in case she goes through old memories in her sleep
cally
(21,594 posts)I remember someone posted video clips from a former CIA instructor on how to disguise yourself. It was fascinating.
Any ideas on what they know about Putin's influence on American politics and will these folks finally stop supporting only Republicans.
DFW
(54,409 posts)Maybe some FORMER Republicans.............
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)I remember reading Valerie's book when it came out. It was several years ago, she was actually gone before Chump came in, but her book was quite good and informative.
Deep State Witch
(10,429 posts)I saw the guy who wrote the book that "Argo" was based on and his wife talk several years ago. This was after the book had been optioned, but nobody was attached to it yet. (His wife wanted Tom Cruise to play her husband in the movie.) What they did was pretty fascinating! Both of them were in the "disguise" department at the CIA. She talked about completely changing her appearance to brief Bush the Elder when he first became President. She had known him when he was the head of the CIA back in the day. So, she turned herself into an African-American woman to give him his first classified brief as President. He stepped out of the room to do something, came back, and there she was as herself, with the same clothes on!
Lasher
(27,597 posts)I had no idea you were so well connected. We're not worthy!
DFW
(54,409 posts)Last edited Mon May 9, 2022, 02:21 AM - Edit history (1)
My path just happens to cross the path of people who are a lot more interesting than I am on occasion, thats all.