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First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:14 PM May 2022

Jesus H Christ. I just actually read Alito's decision...

...I'm staggered. I can't believe that anyone in the US in the 21st century is capable of "reasoning" like this. It's as if Cotton Mather was Chief Justice of the Republic of Fredonia. This man has some serious issues wrong with him...

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Jesus H Christ. I just actually read Alito's decision... (Original Post) First Speaker May 2022 OP
Has no business being... 2naSalit May 2022 #1
that's true for all the SC conservatives Skittles May 2022 #6
Yes. ShazzieB May 2022 #9
nah Skittles May 2022 #17
Well,, it's all a matter of opinion anyway, lol. ShazzieB May 2022 #19
so, Kavanaugh passes your, er, test? Skittles May 2022 #22
No, he's just the more reasonable one among them and that's how fucked up the others are uponit7771 May 2022 #29
I was stuck on hating Barrett the most Tumbulu May 2022 #44
Yep, he literally outlines his opinion similar to Taney in Dred. Scott horrificness uponit7771 May 2022 #52
It's funny that you mention that because In It to Win It May 2022 #60
I'm still stuck on dispising Barrett the most, but the others are a close second housecat May 2022 #71
I think it is the bound mind thing.... Tumbulu May 2022 #81
thank you. housecat May 2022 #83
Kavanaugh is a low bar but I also think he's the more reasonable one out of the bunch In It to Win It May 2022 #53
Exactly. ShazzieB May 2022 #56
You're right ...Kavanaugh is the most likely flip... ewagner May 2022 #64
With this particular set of RWNJs, that seems to be a positive In It to Win It May 2022 #69
And he can have more beer housecat May 2022 #72
Kavanaugh has probably paid for the most abortions Demobrat May 2022 #74
Truth, he has no moral convictions, but what passes for them is self service at best. 2Gingersnaps May 2022 #77
Heehee! Love your description of those 3... brush May 2022 #33
Why, thank you! ShazzieB May 2022 #59
It's about that domestic supply of infants, doncha know. Arkansas Granny May 2022 #46
Do the "fathers" of this domestic supply of infants pay child support? housecat May 2022 #84
+1 CrispyQ May 2022 #11
Fuck every last one of those reThug-appointed, conservative Justices; wish we could impeach em all! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2022 #20
It was sloppy, wasn't it? Baitball Blogger May 2022 #2
yes... completely In It to Win It May 2022 #3
Really really batshit crazy Tumbulu May 2022 #47
Ans.: $$$ lastlib May 2022 #63
It will be tightened. speak easy May 2022 #13
I read a couple of Scalia's opinions. Same thing. Hassin Bin Sober May 2022 #21
+ 100% grantcart May 2022 #75
Any judge who has to twist himself that far - milestogo May 2022 #4
+1, even goes to the reach of calling his opinion not dependent on women because women can uponit7771 May 2022 #28
Its the old "keep your legs together" advice. milestogo May 2022 #31
Maybe all the republicans got zapped with the Jewish space lasers. blueinredohio May 2022 #5
Yes, good thing to hope for. Tumbulu May 2022 #48
Scary, isn't it? It's not just the substance and the medieval reasoning; Ocelot II May 2022 #7
+1 n/t area51 May 2022 #40
It's a hideously egregious, amateurish attempt to impose his own Christian fascists beliefs on us. Pepsidog May 2022 #51
AND Delphinus May 2022 #78
Absolutely correct. And, if I seem to recall grade school when students were taught about the first Pepsidog May 2022 #82
Truly insidious and twisted. 58Sunliner May 2022 #8
It's a draft. It's not gonna look like that in the end LeftInTX May 2022 #10
Hiding? CrispyQ May 2022 #14
He was supposed to attend a conference at the Fifth Court of Appeals last Thursday LeftInTX May 2022 #15
He's s fucking evil coward. SunSeeker May 2022 #25
Right It's not gonna look like that in the end. elleng May 2022 #36
My fear is the decision is not cleaned up, but the argument unfortunately is LeftInTX May 2022 #39
It will be very interesting to see how it's cleaned up, including/especially concurrences. elleng May 2022 #41
+1, "cleaned up" means his references to ignorance wont be there but ignoring the 9th will be uponit7771 May 2022 #66
Someone that demented really shouldn't be sitting on the bench. smirkymonkey May 2022 #12
The institution that bestowed a Juris Doctorate The Wizard May 2022 #16
Hail hail Freedonia! C Moon May 2022 #18
Alito actually did quote from a 1200s-era document. SNL didn't make that up. nt Quixote1818 May 2022 #23
What happens when crazed, religious fanatics try to interpret the Constitution paleotn May 2022 #24
Can Alito enforce this decision if the majority ignores it ? rickford66 May 2022 #26
No! By majority, I assume you mean majority of the court. LeftInTX May 2022 #34
I meant the majority of the country. rickford66 May 2022 #42
K&R, Alito RvW and Dred Scott opinions are VERY VERY close in standard and verbage uponit7771 May 2022 #27
Recommended. H2O Man May 2022 #30
+10 nt reACTIONary May 2022 #32
He is in the wrong time period. LiberalFighter May 2022 #35
He made a decision and tried to justify it with medieval bullshit! LeftInTX May 2022 #38
as are all the others housecat May 2022 #73
It has no logic of any sort to it... legally speaking. KentuckyWoman May 2022 #37
He probably didn't write it himself FakeNoose May 2022 #43
just another refuKKKchicken pumping a handcart to Hell... bringthePaine May 2022 #45
he is a severely fucked up asshole TomDaisy May 2022 #49
Pretty jarring isn't it. They just live in such a bubble and watch Fox that they actually write shit Pepsidog May 2022 #50
It reads like the words of a fanatic who is.. mvd May 2022 #54
Alito and Barrett are two examples of the right wing extremist objective. Mr. Evil May 2022 #55
The curtain has been removed! LeftInTX May 2022 #58
So let's get to work and EXPAND THE COURT!!!! calimary May 2022 #57
+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #67
Scary, Isn't It? DET May 2022 #61
He's a legal shill The Wizard May 2022 #62
Toxic Patriarchy in a judicial robe. Raster May 2022 #65
Blatant abuse of judicial authority. no_hypocrisy May 2022 #68
As a document conveying judicial reasoning to be used in other cases this provides no method. Ford_Prefect May 2022 #70
We're burning down an entire nation because of sex. Oneironaut May 2022 #76
I thought the name Icanthinkformyself May 2022 #79
Bush V. Gore and the DB45 "elections" will set us back 50 years. AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #80

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
9. Yes.
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:51 PM
May 2022

But I do think some are worse than others. Alito, Thomas, and Amy Coney "if you don't want the baby, just drop it off at the firehouse, no biggie" Barrett are the worst of the worst, imnsho.

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
19. Well,, it's all a matter of opinion anyway, lol.
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:12 PM
May 2022

Sam, Clarence, and Amy are the ones I personally most love to hate. Sam for that asinine fail of an opinion draft, Amy for her "drop 'em off at the firehouse" remarks, and Clarence for just generally being a hateful, misogynistic, old sack of shit!

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
44. I was stuck on hating Barrett the most
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:29 PM
May 2022

but I never paid any attention to Alito before. But this opinion-OMG!!!!!!!!!


In It to Win It

(8,253 posts)
60. It's funny that you mention that because
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:19 AM
May 2022

All week I’ve been thinking that I’m sure Sam Alito would have voted with the majority in the Dred Scott case… and I’ve been talking myself out of posting it everyday.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
81. I think it is the bound mind thing....
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:51 PM
May 2022

Last edited Fri May 13, 2022, 01:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Instead of her feet being bound, it was her mind that they bound up. And created one that resonates with the hateful agenda of the Federalists Society. That whiney voice also sends me over the top.

How any woman who produced a child could EVER EVER EVER dream of forcing it on someone who does not want to produce the child is such an outrage. I think it is this that makes me hate her the most. Because she degrades us all.

In It to Win It

(8,253 posts)
53. Kavanaugh is a low bar but I also think he's the more reasonable one out of the bunch
Sun May 8, 2022, 11:14 PM
May 2022

I thought that if Roberts was actually trying to sway one of the 5 from the Alito opinion, the one that would most likely be swayed would be Kavanaugh... which sounds crazy when I think about it but I think if there is a possibility of any other justice being swayed to not overturn Roe, it's Kavanaugh and no one should put any hope in Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh is the least batshit crazy out of all of them.

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
56. Exactly.
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:00 AM
May 2022

His past is a cesspool, of course, but my hate is based on how he's behaved on SCOTUS. And as you said, he's definitely been less batshit than the ones I listed.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
64. You're right ...Kavanaugh is the most likely flip...
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:40 AM
May 2022

...not because it's the right thing to do...it's because he doesn't believe in anything

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
74. Kavanaugh has probably paid for the most abortions
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:56 PM
May 2022

and still has nightmares about winding up on the wrong end of a child support order. Especially now that it’s harder for men to weasel out of it by slut shaming the woman. No more how do I know it’s mine, right Brett?

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
77. Truth, he has no moral convictions, but what passes for them is self service at best.
Mon May 9, 2022, 03:12 PM
May 2022

The other Conservatives think they are doing God's work. I have a special dislike for Gorsuch, he is the stolen seat, he does not belong there, he is just not as obnoxiously noxious as the Dean of the SC Douchebags-Thomas, as vacuous as Barret, or as pseudo-intellectual elitist at Scalito.

He is pretty basic, they paid his Country Club bill and his credit card debt, he delivered the vote he committed perjury to give.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
20. Fuck every last one of those reThug-appointed, conservative Justices; wish we could impeach em all!
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:18 PM
May 2022

Either flush those turds or just pack the Court already!!

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
47. Really really batshit crazy
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:31 PM
May 2022

And no logic whatsoever!!!!!

The right has no mind, and no heart. What in the heck do they have beside an ability to stick together enough to garner all power to themselves?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
21. I read a couple of Scalia's opinions. Same thing.
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:20 PM
May 2022

I thought “this is supposed to be the great conservative legal mind?”

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
75. + 100%
Mon May 9, 2022, 02:17 PM
May 2022

His sophomoric application of "original intent" would have gotten him laughed out of my graduate classes using higher criticism tools. The adulation of his poor scholarship was astonishing.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
4. Any judge who has to twist himself that far -
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:19 PM
May 2022

depending on legal or religious texts which are hundreds or thousands of years old - should not be on the Supreme Court. He is totally out of touch with the people living in this country.

The age of a statute makes it quaint; it does not provide moral clarity.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
28. +1, even goes to the reach of calling his opinion not dependent on women because women can
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:53 PM
May 2022

... choose not to get pregnant as if rape and incest don't exist.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
48. Yes, good thing to hope for.
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:33 PM
May 2022

I just cannot for the life of me believe how idiotic they are.

The most bizarro decision ever.

Ocelot II

(115,719 posts)
7. Scary, isn't it? It's not just the substance and the medieval reasoning;
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:26 PM
May 2022

it's the attitude of sheer contempt he obviously holds for the very notion that women have a right to privacy that protects their reproductive decisions. Since that right isn't listed in so many words in the Constitution, written at a time when women had no rights at all, he had to rely on decisions of a 17th-century British judge who executed witches and held that husbands had the right to rape their wives. How much more contempt is even possible?

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
78. AND
Mon May 9, 2022, 03:13 PM
May 2022

we are not a damned christian nation!

What galls me is that these religions - these MYTHOLOGIES - are being used to "govern". Where is REASON? Where is SCIENCE? We left the Dark Ages a while ago yet MYTHOLOGY rules our lives.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
82. Absolutely correct. And, if I seem to recall grade school when students were taught about the first
Tue May 10, 2022, 11:24 AM
May 2022

pilgrims which most RWNJ’s forget about. The pilgrims came to America in search of religious freedom. At the time, England required its citizens to belong to the Church of England. I love to throw the fact that the first English settlers were pilgrims who sought religious freedom. America is not and never has been a Christian nation. It just so happens that over the past 30 years the Evangelicals right has had the loudest voice.

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
10. It's a draft. It's not gonna look like that in the end
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:52 PM
May 2022

It's sick and demented and opens a window to his mind.

And now he's hiding from the fifth circuit!

I think we should him impeach him for being a sicko!!

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
15. He was supposed to attend a conference at the Fifth Court of Appeals last Thursday
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:57 PM
May 2022

He cancelled...

As he should. What he wrote has no legal logic

elleng

(130,935 posts)
36. Right It's not gonna look like that in the end.
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:02 PM
May 2022

My profound hope is that it's being profoundly 'cleaned up' now.

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
39. My fear is the decision is not cleaned up, but the argument unfortunately is
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:08 PM
May 2022

Let's hope the illogical fallacies were so far out there, that the court couldn't string it together....

elleng

(130,935 posts)
41. It will be very interesting to see how it's cleaned up, including/especially concurrences.
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:16 PM
May 2022

It may be that some of them agree he's gone too far out; interesting to learn which if any pull back against alito's outrages.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. Someone that demented really shouldn't be sitting on the bench.
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:55 PM
May 2022

I don't think people quite appreciate how bizarre and "out there" this opinion really is. There is no logic or reasoning involved whatsoever.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
24. What happens when crazed, religious fanatics try to interpret the Constitution
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:33 PM
May 2022

And we have a SCOTUS crammed full of crazed, religious fanatics imposing their religious views on all of us.

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
26. Can Alito enforce this decision if the majority ignores it ?
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:43 PM
May 2022

You know the MAGA's like to ignore the law when it's not in their favor. Some local sheriffs don't inforce gun laws.

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
34. No! By majority, I assume you mean majority of the court.
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:00 PM
May 2022

The majority of America is a different story!

H2O Man

(73,558 posts)
30. Recommended.
Sun May 8, 2022, 09:54 PM
May 2022

The only area I disagree with is, "It's as of Cotton Mather was ...." He is. He just dresses differently, and goes by a different name.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
37. It has no logic of any sort to it... legally speaking.
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:03 PM
May 2022

I didn't see any legal logic to it at all. It's just a random pile of personal beliefs that in no way tethered to any fact anywhere.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
43. He probably didn't write it himself
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:28 PM
May 2022

I don't know, I'm just guessing. But the way things work with the Repukes, it was written by some nameless stooge in Federalist Society and they passed it off to him. He's taking the credit and they're happy as clams to let him do it. Hell they might have even been the ones who leaked it.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
50. Pretty jarring isn't it. They just live in such a bubble and watch Fox that they actually write shit
Sun May 8, 2022, 10:44 PM
May 2022

like this. Republican Justices are so deranged that we must capture more seats and fix this travesty called SCOTUS.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
54. It reads like the words of a fanatic who is..
Sun May 8, 2022, 11:29 PM
May 2022

determined to be as political as possible. He has been accused of being the most partisan justice, and this shows why. His contempt for choice and the faulty reasoning are not befitting of a SC justice.

Mr. Evil

(2,844 posts)
55. Alito and Barrett are two examples of the right wing extremist objective.
Sun May 8, 2022, 11:39 PM
May 2022

They are truly deluded in themselves. They believe their religious convictions are based on some historical reality. They believe that they are where they are to shape all of America and all of our citizens into their image. The powerful man and the compliant dutiful woman. They are not only legislating from the bench but, they are playing God. They are determined to impose their vision (for lack of a better term) for America. Some dystopian mix of a patriarchal, fascistic, hyper-christian hellscape where they have ultimate and continuing power and everyone else has to comply and conform or else. We must not and cannot let that happen.

The curtain has been removed and what's been revealed is ugly and quite dangerous. I, for one, cannot and will never live the rest of my one and only life on this tiny planet under such conditions. Should it come to bear I will fight them tooth and nail to prevent them from implementing their inhuman house of horrors upon our society.

Sometimes we are complacent. Sometimes we're apathetic. Sometimes we can't remember two news cycles ago. But, this time I think they may have bit off a bit more than they can chew. In their self-righteousness and arrogance they just may have ignited a furious resolve that all the dark money in this world won't be able to defeat. They not only need to be shut down but, they need to be humiliated into oblivion once and for all.

calimary

(81,297 posts)
57. So let's get to work and EXPAND THE COURT!!!!
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:03 AM
May 2022

I hear this again and again. From all the experts and knowledgeable people being interviewed.

The ONLY way around this is to EXPAND THE COURT.

DET

(1,322 posts)
61. Scary, Isn't It?
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:56 AM
May 2022

I’ve read a number of the seemingly crazy right wing decisions of the court, and it’s hard to comprehend the mental contortions that the best and the brightest have to go through to come up with what appear to a lay person to be ridiculous arguments. Parsing the meaning of a comma…seriously? I suspect that the founding fathers assumed that future jurists would exercise some common sense in their rulings, and would recognize that things evolve over time. Sadly, the current court is determined not to do so.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
65. Toxic Patriarchy in a judicial robe.
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:00 AM
May 2022

Hard-core Christo-fascist and absolutely non-apologetic.

Alito is akin to Alois Hudal... The "Christianity" is just a thin veneer masking the ugliness underneath.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hudal

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
68. Blatant abuse of judicial authority.
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:11 AM
May 2022

Just because there is no other court that can second guess the USSC, you can have justices proclaim that amendments in their sacred Constitution are un-constitutional -- and get away with it until impeached or power diluted.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
70. As a document conveying judicial reasoning to be used in other cases this provides no method.
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:36 PM
May 2022

If they can use this kind of language and reasoning they can undo any previous law on a whim.

I don't see this having the future they imagine. Unless what it really means is that they can declare anything to be legal or illegal purely in the basis of having 5 votes.

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
76. We're burning down an entire nation because of sex.
Mon May 9, 2022, 02:25 PM
May 2022

Trumpism and Conservatism are a cult. Seriously - I bet all these old men sleep around like rabbits. The hypocrisy is rampant.

The hardcore Christo-Fascists on other hand should try it. Jesus approves.

Icanthinkformyself

(220 posts)
79. I thought the name
Mon May 9, 2022, 04:15 PM
May 2022

was Jesus Phucking Christ. That's what all of the Catholic carpenters I used to work with screamed out when they hit their thumbs with the hammer. Maybe they were wrong? s/

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