Remember when we said---"Trump will never win the GOP primaries!"

[Atticus]

"Trump could never win the Presidency; people aren't THAT stupid!"

"This will do it! This is the end of Trump!" ( X ??? times)

"The GOP will never get rid of Roe v. Wade. They're not THAT stupid!"

"Fascism can never happen here!"?

And, NOW we're saying---

"Trump won't be the Republican candidate in '24."

"Book burning in the US? Don't be ridiculous!"

"These concerns about the SCOTUS ruling against same-sex marriages and contraception are just alarmist nonsense."

"American democracy is too strong to be replaced by an autocracy."

""No need to get all excited---someone will fix this. They always do."

And, STILL: "FASCISM COULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!"

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. Fascism IS happening here

as we sit here behind our computer monitors typing stuff out on discussion boards.

[LLCARD]

3. Exactly. Time to start calling our dem leaders

Where is Jamie Harrison?

We need a big time marketing firm with anti propaganda expertise right near the top of the DNC.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. That's insightful

Our leaders seem not to know what to do. Jaime didn't win his Senate race despite a ton of money. Of course the visible leaders are only icons, a lot can be happening in operational circles, the long term staff.

[Ace Rothstein]

13. Maybe it is time for new Democratic leadership in Congress.

The same people being in those roles for 20-30 years doesn't seem to be working out too well right now.

[calimary]

24. Just what we needed to lead us Democrats. A failed candidate.

The voters weren’t impressed. I haven’t been, either.

[bucolic_frolic]

28. I've had doubts all along, but he's there for the fundraising

and has experience. What else comes along in the bargain is beyond my ability to judge. So the serfs toil and hope for the best.

[Joinfortmill]

30. Yeah, where? Job looks to be too big for him.

[inthewind21]

43. That time

Came and went a loooooong time ago. Showing up with a fire extinguisher AFTER the house is burned down is an exercise in futility.

[ck4829]

2. LOL, who's 'we'? The "crackpots" and out-of-left-fielders were and are saying the opposite

Maybe it's time to start listening to the slightly-deranged and the "trash" (A label I have been given for saying "hurtful things" that are in opposition to those things above).

[mwooldri]

4. Let me make a film recommendation.

"It Happened Here".

Used to be available on Netflix, can't find it there, but someone uploaded it to YouTube.

Alternate history where the UK fell to Germany, but the resistance, aided by the USA, came into force in the mid 1940s as the USSR was pushing back the Nazis. Seen from the viewpoint of a nurse who was apolitical and just wanted to do her job.

[Magoo48]

5. Americans today, generally, are unwilling too be inconvenienced, even to guard Liberty.

Very little moves us to break the suction between our asses and our comfortable seats. So, we think someone else will rise up by the millions and demand an end to fascist insanity. Someone else will boycott, stand in, occupy, sit in, general strike, walkout by the millions rather by the thousands or hundreds.

To mix metaphors because I’m still free to do so: like the frogs in the pot, our gooses are truly cooked.

[dalton99a]

7. What we really need is positive thinking.

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Hopefully our enemy will show some mercy

[calimary]

26. I gave up on that a long time ago.

I don’t have ANY such hope. Waste of time. I’d rather strategize how effectively to be the enemy’s enemy.

[malaise]

8. I was one of those who said that

Still don't know what happened

[IronLionZion]

10. I'm not sure it even happened

They project about everything they do so there might be widespread voter fraud in rural MAGA areas.

[malaise]

14. THAT has long been my view

but we need proof

[IronLionZion]

9. People won't drink bleach or deliberately infect themselves with a virus

no one can be that stupid.

[CrispyQ]

11. I never said that.

In fact, two of my friends made fun of my concern, from the day he rode down that escalator until November 8, 2016.

[Cosmocat]

20. Me neither, I posted and said at the time he was no joke

that he represented what the republican party was becoming, and that if he got the R nomination, the country absolutely was stupid enough to make him president.

[NYC Liberal]

21. I said he was going to win because of his novelty.

He was so outside the norm of what you'd consider a traditional politician that I thought people would be attracted to it, if for no other reason than to try something different. And they were. Then it turned into a cult.

[The Jungle 1]

12. Many of our police departments are fascist.

They need to be watched closely.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

[overleft]

31. Especially out in the small towns. They have been indoctrinated to fascist methods.

[Butterflylady]

15. Oh ye of little faith, remember when

A lot of you here on DU said Biden won't win any primaries let alone become president. How did that work out?

I am not giving up.

[Scrivener7]

49. What does "not giving up" look like? What action constitutes "not

giving up?" Or is "not giving up" simply waiting for everything to work out as you want it?

Rereading this, I know it sounds snarky. I don't mean it that way. I just really have no idea what "not giving up" means in this case.

[LeftinOH]

17. A HUGE number of Americans would accept full-bore fascism

as long as gas prices were kept low.. and bacon doesn't cost too much.

[Stuart G]

39. I disagree, HUGE NUMBER of AMERICANS DON'T KNOW WHAT FACISM IS.

...THEY MAY KNOW HITLER WAS A FACIST. BUT, THEY DON'T KNOW THE BEGINNINGS AND THE GROWTH OF FACISM.
SOME DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FACISTS DID DURING WW2. YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THAT, BUT IT IS TRUE...
........& DON''T ASSUME ANYTHING ABOUT THE STUPIDITY OF THE U.S. ON WORLD HISOTRY................

..........SOME don't know, and many....DON'T CARE!!!!

[The Jungle 1]

47. Our job is to educate.

[Kaleva]

18. When we start getting imprisoned or executed, we'll know fascism is here.

Because that's what fascists do.

[wnylib]

34. You mean on a larger scale than at present,

e.g. when it happens to White people, too?

[Kaleva]

36. I'm talking about DUers being disppeared

So far, there have been no posts about that happening to any member or suspicion of that happening.

[wnylib]

40. Oops. My bad. I thought that by "we" you meant

the general population at large in the US.

[IronLionZion]

37. Summer 2020 was pretty nasty for protestors of all demographics

Even white moms and dads in Portland were being beat up and tossed into unmarked vans by nonuniformed officers who didn't identify themselves as law enforcement. Sounds like something out of Russia

[bigtree]

19. most thought the moderate candidate would prevail

...now we know it's the most extreme candidate that fascist republican supporters will choose.

[Cosmocat]

22. Not me - I have had heart burn over all of this since the 90s

When they were casting themselves as the party of family values, the great fiscal conservatives who based their beliefs on the intentions of the founding fathers - I knew it was bullshit then, and saw where they were headed.

I said the POS came down the escalator he was no joke, that he represented what the R party was becoming, was a REAL threat to win the nomination, and if he did the country was stupid enough to make him POTUS.

And, I have pushed back every time people wanted to think he would quit or GOP would get rid of him.

This shit was where we have been headed going back to Reagan - it was slow at first, but with 9-11, then the electino of BHO, it has escalated exponentially.

[pwb]

23. I didn't say never.

The puke anger against woman was in full force against Hillary. But now after this recent truth from the pukes playbook I think Woman will fix this in the next election, big time. All pukes are at risk.

[intheflow]

25. I don't remember ever saying that.

I remember chastising people on this very board for the way they mocked Trump's run as impossible, and then his win as improbable. I was taken to task many times, accused of being a troll, the whole nine yards. Wish I could gain some satisfaction from saying I told you so, but sometimes it really sucks to be right.

[Joinfortmill]

27. It could. We're on the brink. Stay alert. VOTE!

[hay rick]

29. Now that people are awakening from a pleasant dream, what do they do?

Complaining is useless. Complaining without a commitment to taking corrective action is worse than useless- it sets a bad example and discourages others.

I voted in 2016, 2018, and 2020. If my only plan is to vote again in 2022, I am doing nothing different and should not expect a different result.

[Boomerproud]

32. It's been a nightmare for me, and for many others.

[hay rick]

41. When you figure out that the monsters are real and not just a nightmare...

it's time to fight the monsters.

None of the available options are fun or even comfortable- canvassing, making calls, joining demonstrations, donating to political candidates, etc. On the other hand, we should be grateful that we are not waking up in Ukraine.

[Kablooie]

33. And this time many states are willing to fake the vote so Trump wins...

They are willing to openly commit felonies because they know if Trump wins they will be rewarded.

And if that doesn’t work theres always the violent coup they rehearsed for.

It’s more likely that Trump becomes president than last time.

[sarisataka]

35. Some of us "Debbie downers"

Were accused of trying to suppress Democratic votes by being negative even as we said every Dem vote will be needed.

We were promised only the rosiest polls were accurate; other polls were "flawed" or "the media wants it to look like a horse race".

The day before the 2016 election:

OP- Groper Don the Con is not leading shit
Some replies:
-I pretty much tune out the polls, but...
...if the polls have a 5% margin of error, that generally means that folks here on DU are going to totally freak out over 1 out of every 20 polls.

-It's all such B.S., probably for t.v. ratings.

-Any rise in TrumpleThinSkin's political fortune at this point. . .
is nothing more than a "dead cat bounce"
from the Wall Street expression that "even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height".

-The media has a vested interest in making sure it's down to the wire. (or at least appears to.)
I take a deep breath, head over to fivethirtyeight, and relax.

The same thing has happened in every election since and is already showing up for the coming election.

[relayerbob]

38. Hmmm, I predicted he would win the Presidency in Aug 2015

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That's just the way the flow of history works. Action/reaction. When we have a solid 40% of our population that is ignorant and racist, it doesn't take as much convincing to grab another few percent in states that have outrageously high electoral power in the Senate and the electoral college

[inthewind21]

42. Not only do I remember hearing it

I also vividly remembering NOTHING be done to prevent it. Because after all, it would never happen.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

44. I remember rejoicing when Trump was nominated. ...

... after all, there's NO WAY Hillary can lose to that idiot.

Then, the gun-punch

[andym]

45. In the USA, fascism will be brought by great marketing by the GOP

Demagogic fascists like Hitler or Mussolini aren't even needed here-- all that is required a long marketing campaign by the GOP with poll-tested issues like creating fear of immigrants or opposition to exaggerated social change tied to liberals with talk radio, Fox News and social networks well greased to get the word out.

[JCMach1]

46. Define 'we' I stated to my wife (and I believe posted on DU he would be the R

Nominee when he came down the escalator...

He was and still is the perfect embodiment of the R base

[Atticus]

48. That "we" was never intended to be all-inclusive. In fact, Mrs. A shared your opinion from

the git-go and I tried---unsuccessfully---to talk her out of it. Some folks saw it coming, but many of us were blind-sided.