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Nevilledog

(51,107 posts)
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:38 PM May 2022

Putin is trapped in a quagmire and doesn't know how to get out



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Russia launched a “war of choice” based on bad intelligence. The war is going badly, but once troops are committed, emotions run high and national prestige is on the line. Both escalation and withdrawal are too painful to contemplate. Putin is trapped.

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Opinion | Putin is trapped in a quagmire and doesn’t know how to get out
For the Kremlin, both escalation and withdrawal are too painful to contemplate.
10:29 AM · May 9, 2022


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/09/putin-victory-day-russia-ukraine-quagmire/

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Always grandiose and fascistic, the Victory Day celebrations in Moscow were more restrained than usual on Monday, with the normal aerial display canceled on account of the “weather,” even though the skies were clear. Some experts had worried that Russian President Vladimir Putin would declare war on Ukraine and a total mobilization of Russian society while threatening the West with nuclear weapons. There was even speculation that he might parade Ukrainian prisoners through Red Square as in a Roman triumph. None of that came to pass. Putin was defiant but subdued, trying to portray Russia’s unprovoked attack on Ukraine as a preemptive response to a looming Ukrainian invasion of Russia.

It was ludicrous and pathetic — but also strangely reassuring. There has been much discussion about whether Putin is rational, because attacking Ukraine with such a small army was an act of lunacy. The evidence suggests that, while Putin is isolated and prone to miscalculation, he is not insane.

He appears to grasp, as I argued last week, that mobilization would bring more problems than it would solve. It would risk undermining Russia’s already battered economy, along with popular support for his criminal regime, but it would not deliver any immediate military benefits. Mobilizing more troops would take many months — and it would be exceedingly difficult to train, equip or supply them. As for using nuclear weapons, that would be the action of a madman who fears that the end is near. Putin’s troops are carrying out unspeakable war crimes, but he is far from Hitler-in-the-bunker territory.

Putin seems to understand when the war is not going his way — hence his withdrawal from the environs of Kyiv at the beginning of April rather than risk the complete destruction of his forces. He gambled on winning a more limited victory in Donbas in eastern Ukraine, but that’s not happening, either. The Institute for the Study of War reported on Sunday: “Russian forces did not make any significant advances on any axis of advance on May 8.” Putin is running out of options.

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Putin is trapped in a quagmire and doesn't know how to get out (Original Post) Nevilledog May 2022 OP
He should ask GWB for advice on how to deal with a war of choice based on bad intelligence. cos dem May 2022 #1
The only way to leave a Quagmire. . . TheBlackAdder May 2022 #7
Look how long it took Americans to get out of Vietnam... kentuck May 2022 #2
Quagmire isn't too accurate but it is polite. Tetrachloride May 2022 #3
Pete Seeger sang about this kind of mentality over 50 years ago. DFW May 2022 #4
I have an idea for him, since he has lied about everything else... Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #5
Putin can find immediate relief... Eyeball_Kid May 2022 #6
How do you say "Mission Accomplished" in Russian? harumph May 2022 #8
He is not trapped. LiberalFighter May 2022 #9
Even when you use Trump as a puppet, you lose. Cartoonist May 2022 #10
Pootie should just declare victory and get out. Raine May 2022 #11
HE is trapped? Skittles May 2022 #12

cos dem

(903 posts)
1. He should ask GWB for advice on how to deal with a war of choice based on bad intelligence.
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:41 PM
May 2022

Oh, wait, nevermind. GWB didn't know what to do either!

DFW

(54,387 posts)
4. Pete Seeger sang about this kind of mentality over 50 years ago.
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:50 PM
May 2022

He sang it on (I believe) the Smother Brothers show, to the protests of the Pentagon, then "waist deep in the Big Muddy" of Vietnam:



Today, it could just as easily be applied to Putin and his Ukrainian fiasco.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
5. I have an idea for him, since he has lied about everything else...
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:53 PM
May 2022

"We have accomplished every goal we set out to achieve. It's with pride and victory that we bring our troops home".

Raine

(30,540 posts)
11. Pootie should just declare victory and get out.
Mon May 9, 2022, 04:37 PM
May 2022

The rest of the World knows he's a LOSER but he can continue to use propaganda at home in Russia. Maybe save face there at least for a little while.

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