MSNBC just reported that even if there was no filibuster Casey & Manchin are No on the Abortion Bill

[Celerity]

[JustAnotherGen]

1. Only way around this

Is to vote Democratic this November - Senate and House.

[we can do it]

16. Yes render them inconsequential.

[Fullduplexxx]

29. Then money bomb their primary challenger

C

[we can do it]

30. We lose a dem seat without Mancin, hence render inconsequential.

Elect more Dems in viable races, don’t concede what we already have.

[we can do it]

32. We lose a dem seat without Mancin, hence render inconsequential.

Elect more Dems in viable races, don’t concede what we already have.

[BradAllison]

2. Welp, that's ball game

Congrats America.

I'm almost hoping Vladdy start chucking nukes at us from his death bed. We earned this.

[Sneederbunk]

3. Truth be told, there are other Senate Dem Nos.

Manchin and Sinema are a cover.

[Celerity]

12. I went through every Dem Senator, even Kaine, Tester, etc & only Manchin & Casey are anti choice

in terms of votes

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

23. The cynic in me says...

There is no reason for any other Senator to go on record saying no if they already know its dead in the Senate. Same as filibuster removal, if they already know the conclusion, then there isn't any reason to come out against it and take any heat. Let the public no's provide the cover.

[FBaggins]

24. "Choice" is more of a spectrum in this case

Collins is supposedly pro-choice, but there's no way that she'll vote for a bill that wipes out parental notification provisions or some of the other marginal sub-issues. She certainly won't vote to get rid of the filibuster to achieve it.

Similarly, there are democrats who are pro-choice but wouldn't necessarily support all forms of legislation that address the issue.

I don't think that there are enough votes to even open debate on a bill like what has been described. Let alone overcome a certain filibuster.

[PoliticAverse]

4. That's why it always needed some Republican support, even without the filibuster.

Casey is known to be anti-abortion, his father, Robert P. Casey was the Casey in the Supreme Court case "Planned Parenthood vs Casey".

See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Casey_Sr.

[DURHAM D]

5. Hey you anti-Roe Democrats...

If you don't believe in abortion don't fucking have one.

[LenaBaby61]

11. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[PXR-5]

28. Sounds like my NC county

They got to keep the churches happy.

[Fullduplexxx]

33. They dont believe in ANYONE having one . That's the problem

[Solly Mack]

6. Isn't that special!

[BlueCheeseAgain]

7. That would be odd for Casey.

He voted yes on it back in February.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00065.htm

[Polybius]

14. I think that was just to bring it out of the committee

Not 100% sure though.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

19. You're right-- it wasn't final passage.

I notice now that his statement on the issue avoids saying how he might have voted on the actual bill:

https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/casey-statement-on-the-womens-health-protection-act

[Celerity]

18. that was only a cloture vote

[Raven]

8. So why is Schumer calling this vote?

[Freddie]

10. To get names on record

Casey’s not up for re-election this year so I imagine it’ll be forgotten when he is.

[BradAllison]

34. Everyone should've known he was a forced birther

His family was stinking up the joint back in 1992.

[JohnSJ]

21. Because this will be show which Senators are anti-women, pro rape, incest, and against

protecting the life of the mother, and those who aren't

It is as simple as that, and it should be a rallying cry by Democrats for the midterms

That is why Pennsylvania is far from a sure thing in the midterms. It is a swing state, and turnout is critical

[Freddie]

9. Fuck you Bob Casey

Better than Toomey but not a whole lot. Gotta get that Pennsyltucky vote.

[Polybius]

13. Casey has legitimate concerns

From what he said, the bill goes beyond what Roe currently allows. Just allow states to ban it after 24 weeks and he'll probably be on board.

[JohnSJ]

25. No he doesn't. He knows that because of the filibuster nothing will pass, and this is simply a show

of unity for support of women, and their right to choose.

He knows it would be fine tuned if it really proceeded further.

The fact that he cannot stand at this time with women, when women's lives are being threatened, is a sad statement indeed

[Polybius]

38. What is the bill being put forth that he opposes?

I will give it a good read, but I couldn't find any of the specifics. However, if it goes beyond what Roe did, then I can understand his opposition. If it doesn't, than I agree with you.

[Jose Garcia]

39. Forces Catholic hospitals to host abortions,

forbids states to require parental notificationor consent for minors having an abortion.

[Celerity]

27. 24 weeks with no restrictions would still be more permissive than many nations, even Sweden

Here in Sweden it is 18 weeks, then up to 22 it has to go to a review board, and after 22 it is banned unless it is life of the mother.

The vast majority of polls show that once you ask about second and third trimester bans/significant restrictions, the majority of Americans favour that, especially 3rd trimester abortions.

The position (that I see some have) that there should be ZERO restriction, ever, right up until birth, is a huge electoral loser and (IMHO) morally problematic when you start talking about clear post viability elective abortions. I do not support that level of absolutism.


https://www.1177.se/en/Stockholm/other-languages/other-languages/graviditet---andra-sprak/abort--andra-sprak/

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

31. Yep

And the gop will hang that around our necks closer to the election. Some see fully unrestricted abortions as this year's defund the police. Whether it plays out that way remains to be seen. Most polls show support for abortion through the 1st trimester, but it drops considerably as you said, once you get to the 2nd and 3rd.

[Bettie]

15. So, to recap

Casey, Manchin, and all of the Republicans believe that women are not full citizens, that their "personhood" is in question.

Noted.

[JohnSJ]

26. Exactly

[JohnSJ]

17. Manchin is no surprise, and Casey in the last 10 years tried to play it both ways. While we "might"

get a Murkowski and Collins to vote for a carefully crafted Roe, there is no chance that Manchin and Sinema will vote against the filibuster, so it is moot.

The reality is that it is open season against women, and it should have been obvious in 2016 that the election was about the Supreme Court, when McConnell blocked President Biden's nomination for the SC in his final year.

For those pro-choice voters who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016, they contributed to where we are today. What did they think was going to happen?

We lost THREE Supreme Court appointments from that.

The only way that will change is if we win enough seats in the House and Senate in the midterms to make those ant-filibuster and anti-abortion legislators irrelevant. Not likely to happen.

In the meantime the only thing we can do is fight for the pro-choice states to stay pro-choice, until the opportunity presents itself when we can finally control Congress by a sufficient majority to put republicans and anti-choice Democrats on the side-lines

[Freddie]

35. Correct, Casey tries to play it both ways

He’s not a truly flaming nutcase on the issue like his father. He’s fine with preventing abortions with contraception and once had an editorial on his FB page supporting Planned Parenthood for their role in preventing abortions. The comments section was beyond vile. He probably voted no because he knew it was meaningless and had to placate the Pennsyltucky crowd.

[LiberatedUSA]

20. Can I be honest with you?

While I will vote my heart out and tell my friends to vote their hearts out, I believe checkmate happened a while back and we are just now figuring it out.

I think the gerrymandering will be enough for them to grab both 2022 and 2024; after that elections won’t really be elections anymore. We are all going though the motions as we watch the end of the track come up.

The train got rolling with Citizen’s United and a very determined Mitch McConnell and the forces behind him. Replacing RBG with the Handmaiden was the final move for checkmate.

Maybe I’ll be shown wrong and there will be more blue voters voting than ever before to even out any gerrymandering.

[JohnSJ]

22. The checkmate happened in 2016, where the Supreme Court WAS THE ISSUE, and anyone who didn't realize

that was idiot

[betsuni]

37. +1

[BlueIdaho]

36. I just can't get over the fact that ManChin's boat slip

Has more protections than a woman’s right to choose what to do with her body.