Is the De Santis vs. Disney war in a stalemate?

[Baitball Blogger]

The last I heard Disney called his bluff and told him to pay the 1 billion to pay their debt in order to be in line with Florida law. De Santis's response had the same effect as a fizzled erection. I've heard nothing else.

But someone from outside the State did have something to add. "It's terrible the damage that your governor has done to your State."

Me: But, I don't think De Santis managed to unseat Disney's special district.

Him: He doesn't have to. The damage is done. If I owned a corporation I would think twice before relocating my people to Florida, even if the governor promised heavy inducements, because they've seen what he did to Disney. Nothing he says can be trusted. Who wants to invest money in Florida with that kind of uncertainty?

So, now we're dealing with another truth about Republicans. They're terrible business people.

[dchill]

1. A truce while they try to stop the bleeding?

[Sympthsical]

2. The point wasn't the financial fall out itself

The point was to get corporations to think twice before engaging on social politics.

Since the Roe leak dropped, many big name companies have been pretty quiet about things. Yes, we've seen stories about Apple or Tesla providing means for employee access to abortion. However, many corporations who have taken stands in the past are very, very silent this past week. PR firms are beginning to advise clients against saying anything.

And that was point of DeSantis' actions. To have a chilling effect. "You want to support X? Fine. We'll make sure it's as inconvenient as possible."

Even if Florida gets stuck with the Disney bill, no one can say this wasn't a huge pain in the ass for them. No company wants to be politicized in such a highly visible, combative manner.

DeSantis doesn't need to make Disney pay. He just needs to damage the CEO.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. That's a dark post.

We really don't know what the effect is to Disney yet. And we don't know how much cost De Santis caused Florida with corporations looking else where for business opportunities.

We're still stuck with conservatives trying to control other people's lifestyles, and that kind of thing is unsustainable. It's going to go one of two ways. Either resistance will take a stealth approach. Or it will be loud and in his face.

With Disney's labor voting clout, I'm guessing they will all let De Santis know how they feel come election day.

[Sympthsical]

6. It's a fairly dark tactic

But it is the object of the exercise. Even if Disney goes after DeSantis in a Florida election, they have to worry about their brand on a national and international level. If they can be successfully painted as a Leftist company by the Right, they could risk losing a lot of money in the process. All DeSantis and those like him need to do is successfully politicize them, which Disney does not want.

Not only on a consumer level, but a shareholder level. The last thing a CEO wants is pissed off shareholders, and not all of those people are liberals. Mix in they're down 40% so far this year. It's not a fun time to be the CEO, which is why DeSantis is turning the screws.

What he's doing is very, very intentional.

People always worry about Trump running in 2024. I worry about DeSantis. That asshole is Trump with brains. He's a wily coyote in the world's shittiest forest.

[Baitball Blogger]

7. De Santis's agenda is so extreme that it only resonates with a small minority.

Even among conservatives the issues that he is attacking is not completely supported. Many have gay children. They might not support them openly, but they wouldn't approve of someone making their lives harder.

Disney is on safe ground. If their stock is down it's probably because Covid affected them. That will probably change over time.

Most Floridians know that De Santis is just a blink of an eye when it comes to relevance, compared to Disney who actually worked hard to be where it is today.

[Sympthsical]

8. I don't think this is consonant with what conservatives think

You're viewing it through a liberal lens. DeSantis isn't considered extreme on the Right, and he has Trump's playbook on his nightstand. All he has to do is get the Trump core - which wouldn't be hard - fight the Left in the culture wars, which is all he does, and he can take the nomination.

And once he has that, it's a coin toss. We'll end up, "Americans will never vote for . . ."

Yes. Yes they will. After 2016, I don't know how anyone could start that sentence in confidence.

(When I say liberal lens, you see him attacking gay children. That's how we view it and frame it when talking. That is not how the Right views it or frames it. They view it as protecting children from the extreme ideology of teachers and the LGBTQ community. That's why places like Libs of Tik Tok are so popular. Every day it's a diet of, "Look at what this crazy teacher is telling children!"

What is extreme to us is common sense to others.)

[Baitball Blogger]

15. What De Santis has, that we don't, are those diehard believers. Just like Trump

had the MAGAs. But, they are still a minority.

Why they won the last election is because the Dems lost the latino vote in South Florida. And they lost the latino vote because De Santis knew what would trigger them. The fear of socialism.

You know, I once took a class titled, People of the Carribean and latin American culture. (Or something along those lines.) What the Anglo-oriented, old boy Florida Dems needed to do, and failed to do, was to reach out to academics like the teacher who taught that class, and ask them a simple question: Do you believe that the socialism that occurred in latin America, can happen here? They will tell you no. And they will tell you no because the main reason that socialism got out of hand in Latin America was because there was a 10-90 split in resources. Ten percent of the people (Really, more like 1%) had all the wealth and resources and everyone else was dirt poor. No middle class, like we have here. Just dirt poor.

So, when a military-minded socialist would show up, there were few wealth families to topple over. It didn't take much. The countries were disrupted quickly, and yes, those that made it through have a nasty story to tell.

That is not likely to happen here in America. We have a middle class. Though I don't know for how long because Republican policies are taking us closer to a 1% - 99% split. Because of that, we might get toppled over in a similar, but not the same manner. And De Santis is representing that take over.

The old guard Florida Dems need help and as a voter, I am giving permission to anyone outside this State with ideas to come in and tell them that their time is over and they need to start listening. They can start by getting more Latino and latina representation in their party.

There are still pitfalls to worry about, even with their help. Latin Americans who enjoyed that top 10% wealth in their countries know the benefit of living in a country where everyone is hungry and poor. They get cheap labor, which allows them to hold onto more of their money and status. THOSE people will tend to be Republicans.

[uponit7771]

11. DeathSentence thinks he has a lock on Florida votes because of Russian funds, I'd put good money

... on it seeing how Russia operated in Florida over the last 10 years.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. And you see, if we had a proactive Florida Dem party, they would seize the moment

and show the inconsistency in his "Victims of Communist Day."

Yes, De Santis has strong ties to Russia. Russia, when it was under the Soviet nation, was a Communist nation that our grandfathers and fathers were always wary of, and fighting against.

So, what are they now that they are Oligarchs? They're communists who enjoyed the benefit of elite privilege and realized there was more money if you dump the responsibilities of serving public needs.

But, we don't have a proactive Florida Dem party. We have a sleepy group of men who are protecting their market share of business contacts and can't bother to join the 21st Century,

[uponit7771]

10. +1,

[Tickle]

13. BINGO

Notice how we’ve heard nothing from corporations about Roe. Sen Hawley is writing a bill to end Disney copyright protections.

[grumpyduck]

3. I'm no lawyer, but

I would think The Mouse has some way of going after DeFuckhead for retaliating because they exercised their right to free speech and running the company how they chose to run it. I would think this has happened before, somewhere along the line.

[Phoenix61]

4. No, the state has shut up because the contract it signed

with Disney is iron-clad on the bond issue. They legally can’t do what they voted to do. So basically a bunch of repukes followed DeSatan off the cliff like lemmings.

[Volaris]

9. My guess is that The Mouse is just overly busy with sharpening the shivs.

[Norbert]

14. I will take the mouse's legal eagles over DeathSantis's any day.

Yep, he signed a bill and Disney called his bluff. So the next move is with DeathSantis.

What I see is him quietly trying to forget this ever happened hoping it drops from the headlines faster than Verstappen in Miami over the weekend. I'm hoping Crist, the Florida Dems and the Mouse does not let that happen.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. See my comment #15