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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,374 posts)
Tue May 10, 2022, 02:07 AM May 2022

Jewish Leaders: Banning Abortion is 'Absolutely' a Violation of Religious Freedom

Under Jewish religious law, it is clear that life begins at birth and there is no prohibition in the Torah on abortion. According to my Rabbi, the life of a fetus is only potential life and the life of the mother is more important than the life of a fetus. Alito's proposed opinion elevates Christian beliefs over Judaism.



https://jezebel.com/jewish-leaders-banning-abortion-is-absolutely-a-violat-1848885645

Conservatives—namely, white evangelical Christians—have long weaponized religious values as a shoddy defense for their decades-long conquest to criminalize abortion in the United States. But after a leaked draft of the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down Roe v. Wade sent shockwaves through the public consciousness on Monday night, a different kind of group of religious text-swinging heroes has emerged.

Coalitions of Rabbis across different sects of Judaism and a contingent of Jewish abortion activists are defending Jewish pregnant people’s right to abortion access, raising what they claim is a valid legal challenge: A national abortion ban would violate their right to religious freedom as guaranteed by the First Amendment. And as the right to bodily autonomy for women and pregnant people is threatened—largely impacting low-income Black and brown people—by conservative justices’ arguments that we should simply rewind to the good old years when women didn’t have any rights because, you know, some 17th century witch-hunter said so, Jewish communities are putting their foot down to say, “Not in my religion.”......

For evidence, Rabbi Ruttenberg points to the Book of Exodus in the Torah, which discusses a case where two men accidentally knock over a pregnant person and cause them to miscarry:

“When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other harm ensues, the one responsible shall be fined when the woman’s husband demands compensation; the payment will be determined by judges. But if other harm ensues, the penalty shall be life for life.”

The Hebrew Bible, she says, does not regard the fetus as a person, for the Torah doesn’t specify how long the woman has been pregnant when the miscarriage happens. Another annotated text states, “If she is found pregnant, until the fortieth day it is mere fluid,” meaning the fetus does not have agency for at least forty days of pregnancy. For that reason, some interpretations of Jewish law say that personhood begins with the first breath. “It’s not murder, basically, and the Talmud lays that out really explicitly,” she says.

I like the idea of a lawsuit filed on the basis of the First Amendment. Alito's draft opinion favors conservative christian theology over the faith all all or most Jews.
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Jewish Leaders: Banning Abortion is 'Absolutely' a Violation of Religious Freedom (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 OP
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #1
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2022 #8
Kicking this. Thanks again for your important contribution. Hekate May 2022 #2
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover May 2022 #3
K&R and thanks for this thread, LMPV. brer cat May 2022 #4
Muslims hold these same views. intheflow May 2022 #5
They always have MurrayDelph May 2022 #6
Seriously, how does one sue the court if it institutes a religious doctrine, usonian May 2022 #7
Excellent angle! JudyM May 2022 #9
K&R, it should be a freedom of religion argument as well as a right to privacy! n/t AntiFascist May 2022 #10

intheflow

(28,481 posts)
5. Muslims hold these same views.
Tue May 10, 2022, 09:45 AM
May 2022

The life of the mother overrides the life of the fetus. Most Muslim countries allow abortions, some allowing for abortion on demand.

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
6. They always have
Tue May 10, 2022, 11:31 AM
May 2022

The worst are those who use the phrase "Judeo-Christian." They use us Judeos to bolster their argument, but will always turn on us.

usonian

(9,836 posts)
7. Seriously, how does one sue the court if it institutes a religious doctrine,
Tue May 10, 2022, 11:58 AM
May 2022

or prevent it from doing so? IANAL, but this draft by court members seems to be unconstitutional.

I don't call them Supreme, because some are supremacists
I don't call them judges because some are prejudiced
I don't call them a jury because some have indulged perjury.

What's the recourse?
Perjury charges?
Disbarment for violating/nullifying the constitution?

Asking for a friend.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
9. Excellent angle!
Tue May 10, 2022, 10:00 PM
May 2022

Fighting with a great idea.

Too late to file an amicus brief… but if given enough media coverage, maybe some impact?

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