I am going to shock many of you with what I am about to say.

[fightforfreedom]

I am starting to believe indicting, convicting all those around Trump will be enough. Indicting Trump would make me very happy, but is that piece of shit worth it?

When I say indicting all those around Trump, I am talking about scores of people. Meadows, Flynn, Stone ,Bannon, Powell, Rudy, Boris, other Trump lawyers who's names I cannot remember, Whitehouse staff, dozens of fake electors, all those at the Willard hotel. These trials will be one of the largest investigations in our history. Trumps name will be front and center in all the trials.

After all these trials Garland will have to decide whether to indict Trump. I had to admit to myself putting an ex-president on trial by an AG appointed by a Democrat will cause serious problems. A Trump trial would drag on for years and be a freak show. He would tear this country apart with all his lying.

Nixon was a ruined man after all those around him were convicted. The same thing will happen to Trump. Trump is a freak show that is going to end badly whether he is indicted or not.

I have no problem with the investigation in Georgia. If the AG in Georgia indicts Trump for election fraud that would be great. That is a state charge. That is a smoking gun case.

If Garland does decide to indict Trump no one will be more happy than I. I will celebrate. I simply am starting to believe that piece of shit is not worth it. Indicting all those around him will be enough.

[Novara]

1. No, Nixon GOT to resign and then was pardoned. He wasn't a ruined man.

If that orange motherfucker gets his hands on America again there will be no shortage of corrupt criminals to put into cabinet positions again, and this time he will choose people who won't try to stop him from being a dictator. They won't stop him from bombing Mexico. They won't stop him from supplying arms to Russia.

He needs to be prosecuted and convicted of his crimes. It is not enough to make those around him pay (although that's likely what will happen. He is somehow untouchable).

[Lochloosa]

16. Politically, Nixon was toxic. In his world he was a ruined man.

[The Jungle 1]

47. Nixon wrote some books and traveled.

He never held any position or job or had any type of power. Yes he was ruined. Instant retirement.
Trump was a much worse president.

[uponit7771]

52. "his world" isn't what the DOJ is tasked to focus on its rule of law.

[Lochloosa]

58. I was referring to Nixon not the orange lump.

[uponit7771]

59. Same for both, if Trumps world is blown up good but him having to go through the justice ...

... process should be a standard no the exception.

[betsuni]

2. All those people who went to jail didn't stop Republicans from criminal behavior soon after.

I don't think it makes any difference. They think they create their own reality.

[Emile]

3. Garland should have started with the top level and

worked his way down to the bottom. Letting a traitorous SOB go free is insane!

[we can do it]

31. Thank you expert on mob crimes.🙄

[Emile]

33. Anytime!

[BlackSkimmer]

4. Moot point.

He won’t be indicted.

[Mike Nelson]

5. Hmm...

... considering his crimes, Nixon had a good post-Presidency. I saw him in interviews saying he thought he was right, because he was President. Many people around him went to prison - but not Nixon. At the time, everyone thought that was noble - Ford got a "Profiles in Courage" award for the pardon. Now, we see what happens if the President has no consequences.

[PatSeg]

41. Yes, the same thing that happens

when anyone does not suffer the consequences of their actions. It is pretty obvious that Trump will never change and if he dodges the bullet, he'll keep causing trouble whenever and wherever he can. Letting him off Scott-free tells other corrupt politicians that one can commit crimes against the country you serve and not pay a price.

I remember the outrage when Ford pardoned Nixon and most of us never got over it. Trump's crimes are much worse and could have destroyed our democracy.

[eShirl]

6. Nixon should have been made an example of.

Shame on him.

[gab13by13]

11. People on Nixon's grand jury

wanted the case to go to trial.

[Raven123]

7. Garland will indict if he feels sure he can get a conviction. Period.

[Emile]

54. Garland has no plans to indict. Period!

He don't even want to enforce the house Jan 6 committee subpoenas who are looking for evidence to indict.

[BlackSkimmer]

61. Agree.

And we can take that to the bank!

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Former heads of state are usually treated well, even if in exile

because that's how you want the next head of state treated, it's the respect a civil society shows. Only those harmed in the overthrow receive bad treatment.

Trump? He's damaged goods at this point. A NYS trial that takes down his financial underpinnings will do the job.

[SayItLoud]

32. Don't be so sure: He just got $100 million loan.

The Thiels of the world are able to prop him up.

[gab13by13]

9. If all of those people are indicted and convicted

that means that Trump will also be convicted.

What leads you to believe that anyone around Trump will be indicted and convicted?

Fulton County is already in the process of deciding whether or not to indict Trump, yes it is a state crime but it is also a federal crime.

[Scrivener7]

10. "After all these trials" After all WHAT trials? This is a weird piece.

Tfg has not been indicted and no one around him has been indicted.

Whatever rubric you are basing your conclusions on is simply a fantasy in your head. Because NOTHING has happened.

[gab13by13]

13. Now, now,

it's those super secret DOJ investigations that no one knows about.

Day 146 since DOJ got the Meadows criminal referral.
Day 118 since DOJ got the fake elector referral.
Day, I don't know, since DOJ got the National Archive referral to investigate what happened to the missing top secret documents that Trump stole or destroyed.

[Scrivener7]

14. Yep. 5 years from now they'll still be telling us to be patient.

[SayItLoud]

34. Year "what" since we learned TFG is, IS, Individual1 . nt

[gab13by13]

43. Yeah but the statute of limitations has expired on that crime.

[Scrivener7]

49. THIS!!!

[fightforfreedom]

29. Nothing has happened, Yet.

I am convinced people around Trump will be indicted. The evidence is overwhelming. The open hearings will show they are guilty and Garland will receive all the committees evidence and add it to his investigations. Then he will indict people like Meadows.

[gab13by13]

35. He is a pretty bad AG if he is waiting for the select committee

to give him evidence. What if there wasn't a select committee created? The select committee is a legislative committee. The DOJ has much more clout, many more resources. The DOJ has something called search warrants and FBI agents and grand juries.

[uponit7771]

55. +1, the " they didn't know nothing it was too long" excuse wont fly here.

[Scrivener7]

46. I'm glad you're convinced. And yeah, sure he will.

[bringthePaine]

12. yeah, um, no fucking way

[WhiskeyGrinder]

15. It's good to keep expectations low. Then you're not ever disappointed.

[sop]

17. Lawrence O'Donnell and Eric Holder discussed the possiblity of indicting Trump for obvious crimes.

Holder believes Trump and his henchmen committed serious crimes and should be "held accountable," but he argued the prosecution of a former Republican president by a Democratic administration would be "too divisive" (for political reasons). O'Donnell then asked why only Democrats have to be concerned about being "divisive," why not the Supreme Court, Republican governors or the Republican party? Holder didn't have a good answer.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/eric-holder-trump-forcing-us-to-consider-indicting-a-fmr-president-139659845775

[gab13by13]

23. I didn't watch Holder on O'Donnell's show,

but he was on another show where I listened to him. Holder did not say indicting Trump would be too divisive and therefore should not be done. Holder's bottom line was that indicting Trump would outweigh not indicting him in the remarks I heard from him.

[uponit7771]

26. He did say he thought it would be too divisive because he's an institutionalist but would err on the

... side of indicting because of the number of crimes related to J6.

The question asked by the Odonnel as a follow up was the tell because he didn't have a good answer, that's the way the alphabet organizations are thinking; they don't want to upset MAGA.

Garland has said similar in claiming he doesn't want a different political view every time a new administration comes in.

That's not their job to be concerned about "divisiveness" its their job to enforce the law on the books.

[gab13by13]

36. Yes, that's what I heard.

There are situations where not being partisan ends up being partisan. Garland is an institutionalist but if he has evidence of crimes and chooses not to indict just because the perp is a Republican, that is being partisan. Garland may well hold the beliefs that it is not proper to indict members of Congress, cabinet members, presidents, or former members.

[uponit7771]

25. +1, I saw that and wanted to cry. If Holder has this mindset than NO DOUBT the rest of the ...

... alphabet organizations have this mindset even worse.

As too many of us have suspected they're so concerned about looking partisan they ... look partisan in not doing their jobs.

They're more concerned about how MAGA will respond vs America, I'm disgusted to the nth degree.

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. Personally, I don't think you will have to worry about tfg getting indicted.

[BlackSkimmer]

24. I don't think many, if any, will be indicted.

nt

[oldsoftie]

38. Neither do I. Especially with Nov breathing down our necks.

[vlyons]

19. The country is already torn apart

Indicting TFG will no doubt rile up the RWNJs and Christo-Fascists to scream Dem witch hunt for a while. But as the case progresses, the counntry will get more and more fatigued. I'm already fatigued with TFG and his sycophants.

He needs to be tried and convicted to sit the rest of his miserable life in a small, very very small gray solitary cell with nothing to do but contemplate how he got there.

[FSogol]

20. I guess you missed Iran/Contra and all the W Bush years. No one around

Trump and Trumpy himself will ever face consequences for their actions. History shows us that.

[uponit7771]

21. Garland ***ALREADY*** has enough info from a number of crimes to indict Trump.

[NowsTheTime]

22. From a practical viewpoint... just a thought...

Although I would like to see him indicted, I think it would motivate Republicans to vote.

Better to let him divide the Republican party, and pursue after we win the midterms.

The main goal is preventing him from ever running for office again.

[Scrivener7]

50. So don't indict because it would upset republiQans? Sigh.

And no, that's not the main goal. The main goal is not to allow January 6 to be our Beer Hall Putsch. The main goal is to prevent another attempted coup to end our Democracy.

[Mr. Ected]

27. While the wheels of justice turn ever so slowly, grinding exceedingly fine

Our effing country is circling the drain.

[wildman76]

28. If nothing is done kiss democracy good bye

[Arazi]

30. Nothing is going to be done

[uponit7771]

37. Of course "something" will be done but its not going to be "something" of note looking at Garland

... and Holders mindset on not wanting to be "divisive"

[milestogo]

39. I just want him to have a massive heart attack ASAP.

[Cheezoholic]

40. Isn't Bat Shit Bannon supposed to appear in court for contempt of congress next month?

If so June 2022 is going to be a very crazy month. Bat Shit in court, 1/6 public hearings, potential SCOTUS fascist rulings (not just Roe either), possible dRumpf indictment in GA., another filibuster fight in the senate to attempt to codify Roe and to try and pass every right to privacy law they can muster, KBJ taking her seat on the bench. I also wouldn't be surprised if congress and/or the 1/6 committee and/or the DOJ will start an investigation into any possible 1/6 collusion by Clarence the Clown and his psycho wife (there are rumors this has already begun). Wouldn't that be freakin' awesome if that fuckwad is impeached and forced to step down.

I would love to see the pig indicted by the DOJ but like you i'm not holding my breath. I agree, take whatever we can get but IMO it still is not enough without taking down the grifter in chief. Like with Tricky, its wrong and alleviates the fascists waiting in line of any fear of consequence's. I'm all for a gloves off go for broke damn the torpedoes approach to all of this. Fuck the high road, it ends with a cliff. No more pussyfooting sheepish feeble "we have to be careful" excuses. Who cares about "blowback" from their side in the future it's time they feel "blowback" from us for their bullshit. They are not afraid of our side. They scoff at our side. This is why they are now being so flagrant and far reaching with their power grabs.. If justice can't be served right now, their is no future period. If they win in Nov. and in 2024 they are going to go full on coup, putting on trial, convicting and imprisoning every liberal politician they can get their hands on whether we do anything or not. They have publicly stated that's their plan! Personally a public firing squad is due them all.

[Scrivener7]

51. I'm not betting any money on the 1/6 hearings happening next month. They said January, then

February, then April, now June.

[Mr. Sparkle]

42. If he is not Jailed, they will do it again with more damming consequences

Every time the republicans get away with bad behavior, they push a bit more to see how much more they can get away with. The Democrats seem reluctant or afraid to do anything about it. Quite frankly I'm getting sick of it.

If they are not heavily punished for Jan 6th, you know we are headed towards a dictatorship like they have in other parts of the world. A large chunk of the media is already in place, talking directly to half the population spewing absolute garbage akin to pravda in Russia.

[BlueTsunami2018]

44. Nixon wasn't a ruined man but he did have a sense of shame.

And unlike Piss Wig, he wasn’t a self-absorbed idiot and served the country well in the years after his resignation. They still shouldn’t have let him off the hook. Though his crimes seem like nothing compared to what has been done subsequently, holding him accountable might have prevented some of those subsequent crimes.

But Тяцмр has zero sense of shame, would learn nothing from every single person around him being indicted or convicted and would have a decent chance of being “elected” again.

Don’t fool yourself, he won’t be gone until he dies and we’ll be suffering for his inadequacies and criminality for decades to come.

[Trueblue Texan]

45. Nixon may have been politically toxic...THEN...

...with the insane supporters of TFG, they have clearly shown there is no stain filthy enough to turn them against him now . He will always be a danger. Nixon at least had some members of the Senate who had some backbone and held onto democratic values. The current Senate showed they had no stomach for offending, and certainly not impeaching TFG. The Rethugs running for office now are running and groveling for TFG's endorsement. He has no one who values democracy to answer to so don't expect the same kind of ruin to befall him as did Nixon.

Maybe we should start sending gift certificates for KFC and McDonald's triple meat with cheese burgers?

[Snackshack]

48. Unreal how 1 man...

Who allowed over 1 million Americans to die, tried to overthrow our government, broke numerous other laws…has managed to make this country so afraid of him that in the end he will most likely walk free. We went from the America that was pivotal in winning WW2, putting humans on the Moon and many other amazing advances to being afraid to enforce our own laws…

While history will record the recklessness of the gop it will also record the lack of intestinal fortitude the Dems displayed by not holding him accountable.

[Scrivener7]

53. This should be it's own OP. Because it's the real and horrifying truth of this time in history.

[Skittles]

72. walking free would be the least of it

that traitorous bastard this the current repuke frontrunner to run for prez

[3825-87867]

56. Oh, the indictments WILL come...

after January 2025 when the Republicans steal those elections.

Oh yes, The Indictments will come: HRC for her emails; Hunter for his lap top, etc, etc. ad infinitum for ANY Democrat.

And it will be very quick and very broadly reaching. And the media will cover every minute of it 24/7.

Then all the too-gooders here will be happy that the NEW DOJ will be doing it's job, but, of course, "concerned", just as was proposed by those who repeated time and again Garland is doing his job...since 2021!

Oops! Times up. Sorry 'bout that.

[Emile]

57. +1 spot on!

[EndlessWire]

71. I agree with most of your post.

It is imperative that WE WIN in November and 2024. But, I think that I prefer that Garland do a painstaking and thorough job of indicting an ex pResident (I still consider Hillary to have been the President.) Wouldn't it be wonderful to get a transparent, open, revealing report that doesn't mince words. Tells us the truth about Trump.

Garland may be a crap AG, I dunno. But, I don't think it's been long enough for him to nail it. I have to admit that I am deeply "concerned" with all these people getting indicted for contempt of court, with nothing happening to them. They should be locked up pronto. Nothing should shield them from that. Look at what's happening: Trump doesn't care about daily fines (the GOP will pay them.) He isn't in jail, won't be in jail, and will continue to be above the law. Even Bannon is above the law. All of them are totally unconcerned with the Court contempt charges. That is truly aggravating.

If we can't get contempt charges proved out, then why expect that anything further will be done to any of them? We might as well pray for a hurricane to take out Mar a Lago. At least we would get emotional satisfaction out of it.

[dawg]

60. The little people need to know that they can go to jail and lose everything.

Yes, I'd prefer the ring-leaders to be held accountable as well. (Few things in life would make me happier than Donald J. Trump retiring to Reidsville, Georgia!)

But coups and insurrections don't succeed without the help of a critical mass of smaller supporters. People need to know that there are consequences.

Maybe not for their leaders, but certainly for themselves.

[867-5309.]

62. I think you've reached stage five

Acceptance.

[Scrivener7]

64. Of the end of our Democracy. In the old days, there was a word: Quisling.

I think very soon it is going to become useful again.

[lambchopp59]

63. Not enough to rectify irreparable damage

My entire adult life I've helplessly watched the stupidity go from a spout under RayGun and the "moral majority" bullshit to the Orange tinted avalanche of idiocy under TFG.
My California vote meaning nothing in our electoral college nonsense. 2010 the dogwhistled racist nonsense buried many of our last working-class chances at an enriching life, my own example of how many of the leisure class have swimming pools and yachts due to Healthcare being a privilege than a right. All under the cloak of idiotic "patriotism".
They've signed my death sentence a number of years early now since my cancer diagnosis. I can never afford the best treatment nor a dignified death. Ultimate irony is I'm the caregiver who gets practically no care at all.
I'm retiring in 10 weeks on what little social security I can draw. My chances of surviving to "full retirement" affordability is gone. I hope I can collect some food assistance.
No, it's definitely the Trumpiest Republicans, other greedy whiny creeps I've served competently for decades with a smile who have systematically excised any chance at financially secure happiness for all but the born to wealth and an extraordinarily lucky few who are their real constituents. I've even been in their mansions at one gig to do my gentlest job, but never offered a humane consideration, often thanklessly "dismissed", forgotten, legislated by the same into second class citizenry. They never even perceive how cruel and unforgivably venom splitting they act out in their privileged stupid luck. Just like Trump.
I couldn't pound any better sense into the Fox-news bamboozled Trumper relatives far worse off financially than myself that the likes of TFG does not care one iota for their health or happiness beyond their vote. Now they've severed ties from all of us few west coast family I'll never know how many of those unwashed, unvaccinated fools are dead or alive and significant danger exists in finding out.
I've made them millions. I'll likely die in a ramshackle travel trailer at a roadside. Please don't anyone ever say some "I'm sorry" shit. I don't and never did want "sympathy" nor any prosperity gospel bullshit. I wanted the fair chance at a decent home my health, and profiteering, grifting assholes like Trump stole. The only way I might have had a chance is to be as selfish as them. My soul could never rest like that.
So, no amount of karma for Trump and his ilk could ever possibly be enough.

[treestar]

65. Trump could be convicted

and in jail and the magats will still vote for him.

[EndlessWire]

66. I'm not shocked.

First, I don't think that Trump has it enough together to be a ruined man. He's disconnected from reality. He would revel in all the turmoil he would cause, fully believing that he would get out at some point. He would be out of jail on bail during the trial, causing trouble. That's his thing; he loves chaos and thrives on it.

I don't think that Biden would allow a former pResident to be imprisoned. I just don't.

I would like to see Trump exiled. And then die, in my time. Let's let him sail away on the high sea to goodness knows where, some South American country, or an island somewhere, or any other place that will have him. Anywhere but here. Let his choice be, go to jail or go away.

We are descending into a third world country, divided and primed for a civil war. Keeping Trump, even in jail, will just prolong the struggle. I'd rather PAY a foreign country to do something with him, rather than have him become a never ending thorn in our sides.

Convict him, YES. Put him in jail, no. Send him away. No more American politics for him. Is he above the law? Well, no, but in this one case, the office of the Presidency may end up protecting his ass anyway. Salute the uniform, even if you despise the man wearing it.

But, that doesn't mean that we wouldn't like to see all those conspirators around him revealed, prosecuted, and punished. All of them. Not just the stupid aholes who showed up to riot and ended up supporting an insurrection.

Let them all be on notice that we will not give up our country without a fight. A big one. I think that telling the American public exactly who did what and when is of paramount importance. It's important that we get the true and whole picture of who Trump is, who the GOP is, and what happened, how close we came to oblivion. None of this bullshit redacted reports crap. We want the truth. And, soon. When it dawns on us what went on and is going on, no GOP member will get elected again. Hopefully.

Surely we can do better, and elect officials who actually care about the country and everyone in it. I fear though, that Trump corrupted half the body politic via Russian influence. He's just no good. I think the GOP took Russian money. Let's hear about that.

[UnderThisLaw]

67. Be fair to yourself

Nothing you say shocks many of us anymore

[Marius25]

68. Not putting Trump on trial will destroy the rule of law

[andym]

69. "All the President's Men--the Sequel" nt.

[former9thward]

70. Nixon was not ruined.

In his later years he became an elder statesman. His funeral was attended by the current (Clinton) and living former presidents (including Carter) and the First Ladies.

[Meowmee]

73. I predict they all walk free

Indicted or not. And it will be the final ruin of the country. He is a mass murderer who has committed numerous crimes for years and must be held accountable. Dead is better imo. Death comes to us all and for him pray it is sooner. Where he can do no more harm. He was not a prez but a raving monster who we were subjected to for far too long.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

74. No no no. What? Crazy talk re trump.

[llashram]

75. Indict, Indict, Indict!!!

NOW!!! TPOSFG needs to be embarrassed and flushed down the proverbial toilet

[Mr.Bill]

76. Another plus to this strategy

will be that most, if not all of them will turn snitch. They will do anything to keep out of jail.