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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo Dem leaders know there's a political war going on?
The Republican Party declared a political war on us decades ago.They trashed all the rules and, OPENLY, did whatever was necessary to own America and impose their fascist ideology on all of us. We saw it and did nothing.
TFG accelerated the process. And now, we're in a crazyland that we couldn't have imagined just a few short years ago.
So here are my questions:
O What are our leaders doing to defend us, and attack our domestic enemies?
O Are we just going to yell "GOTV" and hope for the best?
O Are we going to let the Republican propaganda machine triumph while we just knock on doors asking people to vote?
O Will any Democratic leader start acting like we're in an all out political war for our country?
O And if that "leader" comes along, exactly how is he/she going to engage in this "war for democracy" at this late stage?
O Do most people realize that our constitution, our freedoms, our country, our way of life are about to disappear forever?
HUAJIAO
(2,391 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)dalton99a
(81,534 posts)Many Republicans know their chair is Romney's niece because of the TV
onecaliberal
(32,875 posts)PCIntern
(25,564 posts)We are nice guys
we dont like being mean and nasty
we need to rise above that
There are no rules in War
Every Rethug accusation is a confession.
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)"Reeducation Camps," or being told that when I arrive at that "Camp" to leave my clothes behind and get into a group shower.
Do you think they'll supply soap?
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Caliman73
(11,741 posts)O What are our leaders doing to defend us, and attack our domestic enemies?
How would they "attack our domestic enemies"? What would that look like?
O Are we just going to yell "GOTV" and hope for the best?
What more should be done? Who should be doing this "more"? Again, what would the effort look like?
O Are we going to let the Republican propaganda machine triumph while we just knock on doors asking people to vote?
Can you define the "Republican propaganda machine"? What would Democratic Party leaders do to stop this now defined propaganda machine?
O Will any Democratic leader start acting like we're in an all out political war for our country?
O And if that "leader" comes along, exactly how is he/she going to engage in this "war for democracy" at this late stage?
These are kind of similar questions so I will respond to both. Who do you think that leader is and/or should be? We certainly have some people who are advocating for action. What would be the actions, words, etc.. of said Democratic leader? Do we call Republicans "the enemy"? Do we encourage extremism from our side? Violence? Again, and not to beat a dead horse but WHAT does it look like for "our leaders" to act like we are at war. Wars typically involve and imply violence.
O Do most people realize that our constitution, our freedoms, our country, our way of life are about to disappear forever?
This one, I will answer straight up. NO. At very least a good 60% to 70% of the voting age population in this country do not know the situation we are in. They know that there is economic pain, they know that there may be certain problems, but NO they do not understand that one political party has plans to make drastic changes to our society. They actually think that this is just how life is sometimes. They are mostly focusing on what is directly in front of them. How am I going to keep my job? How can I afford rent/mortgage? Are my kids safe? Is my neighborhood safe? Who is going to win the (sports, reality tv) situation? Any good movies coming out?
Politics has always been spoken about as "Something out there, that you do every few years". It is "Other". In the media, it is about the horse race. Who will win? Not what changes or policies a candidate has that will affect your daily life. What stupid ass shit did Trump, Greene, Boebert, Gohmert, etc.. say today?
We do need leaders, but we also have to engage directly in the situation. We cannot wait for someone to come and "save us".
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)And I really am not expecting anyone to come and "save us."
But that doesn't change the reality that, IMO, we are on the verge of losing our freedoms and becoming slaves owned by some of the worst/most insane fascist pricks this country has ever seen.
I sure wish I did have some "magical" answers, (short of an actual shooting war which is exactly what they want and we don't).
So how about you? Do you have any answers? Do you have some way to save us all? Do you have a cure for the ideological sickness that infects millions?
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)On this "verge" for 40 years. The time to sound the alarms and take action was when republicans made no secret of what their plans were. Oh wait, some did. And were told they were paranoid alarmists because (fill in the blank) would never happen in the US. Well, we were warned 40,35,30,25, 20, 15, 10 and especially 5 years ago. Too bad there was no one listening then. It's easier to prevent a fire than it is to put out one already in full blaze.
Caliman73
(11,741 posts)I am sure that they do know and I am sure that the suggestions that I have are very likely being discussed already or have been discussed at length.
As far as myself, I am getting active at the local level and continuously contacting my representatives at the State and National levels. I plan to phone bank and walk districts as needed to get people out to vote.
The only people who want a shooting war are people who are psychopaths and people who have never been around gun violence.
Something has to be done with right wing propaganda, from radio, to Fox News and the extremist clones. The problem with that is the First Amendment. Government can't really regulate or thwart right wing media. There would have to be some kind of grassroots, massive movement to financially cripple right wing media and put it out of business, which again, would be very difficult because it is funded by very wealthy individuals and families.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)That strategy has done so well for Dems in the face of decades of GOP crimes. /sarcasm
Kid Berwyn
(14,932 posts)Reagan and Poppy Bush double the deficit, Clinton dials in the austerity to balance the budget.
Junior Bush loots the banks and crashes the economy, Obama dials up the austerity and bails out the banks.
Trump ignores COVID-19 and betrays the nation to pay back Putin and Deutsche Bank, Biden does his best to keep the country solvent, the world at peace, and COVID-19 at bay.
And always, the perpetrators get to keep the loot.
What do you think taxpayers are for?
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Manu Raju, reporter:
Dick Durbin leery about gutting filibuster to pass abortion bill. If you've been here any number of years, the tables can turn, he told me. Let's think long and hard, and we went after voting rights
I supported that and I think that there are possibilities in that regard.
Asked Durbin if he backs an expansion of the Supreme Court to add more justices.
No, I'm not going down that path, Durbin said. There are many possibilities here, but I have not endorsed any of them.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP TO THIS NOW!!!
Kid Berwyn
(14,932 posts)GOP had no problem getting around the filibuster to install three straight shitheels.
The way things are going, pretty soon itll be against the law to mention that.
Wednesdays
(17,389 posts)andym
(5,444 posts)Unfortunately going low and lying works pretty well when coupled to modern mass marketing techniques with powerful amplifiers like Fox News.
Boomerproud
(7,960 posts)I haven't read Becoming so I don't know whether she rants or not about her family's treat6.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Response to Cyrano (Original post)
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mcar
(42,340 posts)Novara
(5,845 posts)I've been asking this since 2016. We've been in a Constitutional crisis for YEARS now.
And they furrow their brows. Ho hum.
Cyrano
(15,043 posts)If America falls into the abyss, it will be as much because of Democratic's failure to confront evil as Republican malevolence.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)They are terrified even to charge the former fake prez with any of the numerous crimes he has committed, no matter how many have suffered and died and will continue to.
choie
(4,111 posts)said that she wants a strong republican party and thinks that republicans can be persuaded to support choice etc, I'd say no, they don't know there's a political war going on.
MineralMan
(146,319 posts)So are facts. Our leaders are presenting the facts right now. It's up to us to vote, based on those facts.
In the end, it will be the vote that determines what happens next. Therefore, GOTV is a crucial part of the process.
And there it is, in a nutshell.
I suggest that you help with that if you want to protect our constitution, our country, our freedoms, and our way of life. If we fail with that, the consequences are obvious.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)It is more than a political war, they can't continue as is anymore.
Demsrule86
(68,613 posts)Vote in the midterm, donate, work the phones, and GOTV...I have never understood why so many are looking for a savior...as if one person or a Congress can save us. We must save ourselves.
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...it's not advocacy, it's just bashing.
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)czarjak
(11,285 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,932 posts)First they smear, then they lie some more.
All the truth in the world wont matter to a sizable chunk of the disinformed.