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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsstatute of limitations runs out today on TFG Obstruction Justice crime.
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Botany
(70,532 posts)And each one of those cases had to do with Trump and Russia.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,633 posts)See my post #32
onecaliberal
(32,874 posts)Magoo48
(4,717 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)I wish the DOJ would just go ahead and say that and we could respond accordingly.
Lonestarblue
(10,028 posts)The DOJ will punish the foot soldiers and leave the instigators to plot and plan for their next coup.
To my knowledge, no charges have been brought against any of the Republican vermin breaking into voting machines and illegally sharing voter information with partisans trying to prove nonexistent fraud. Not even a slap on the wrist. Anyone who thinks the Republican Party leaders in Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin are not planning their own coups for 2022 and 2024 is being naive. And why wouldnt they? There seem to be no consequences for committing perjury and sending illegal slates of electoral to Congress either.
sop
(10,213 posts)oldsoftie
(12,565 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Waiting for them to chime in any time.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)now and tell us why we should continue having patience.
Chainfire
(17,561 posts)Expect the trend to continue until Trump is returned to office, then Biden should be led off in chains for stealing the previous election.
CrispyQ
(36,483 posts)A lot of people are pinning their hopes on the Committee hearings, but IMO if they don't call repub members of Congress who were involved in the insurrection, what's the point? Most of America will see the Proud Boys & Qanon as the main culprits, not republicans. Won't matter if PB/Q say repubs put them up to it if we don't grill the repubs & make them squirm on national TV.
We just don't have any fight in us. I think the younger gen dems do, but the old guard are having a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact that their colleagues they've worked with for decades are fascist enablers or outright fascists. We didn't fight in 2000 or 2004. We looked forward in 2006 & again in 2008. I haven't seen any real fight in the dems since President Johnson. The right-wing extremists would never have gotten this far with a true opposition party. We're too much "go along to get along."
From David Corn's newsletter:
As Steve Benen noted recently, last month, while referring to congressional Republicans and their efforts to subvert Obamacare, Biden called them good folks. Some Democrats were peeved by that. Rightfully so. From the D perspective, these folks are hardly good. They have supported an insurrectionist-inciting leader, blocked climate change action, undermined voting rights, rigged vote-counting systems, launched a divisive and absurd CRT panic, politicized a pandemic (which led to a massive number of preventable deaths), backed party comrades who hang out with neo-Nazis and QAnoners, targeted LGBTQ people, stepped up their efforts to limit womens autonomy, and accused Democrats of being soft on pedophiles. Not good at all. Unless this is all made clear, Biden can start now hiring all the extra lawyers the White House will need when the Republicans take control and mount scores of revenge-seeking congressional investigations.
Soon, someone will be along to chastise me for bashing dems, but if we never look at what we did wrong in the past, how can we correct it for the future?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Chainfire
(17,561 posts)Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)
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Justice matters.
(6,935 posts)Or how to kill the rule of law and the Constitution drip by drip.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Wavelight
(391 posts)Im living in the matrix. We are fucked.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,935 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,216 posts)TDFG knows about them all and would out their cases to defend himself. Much of the elite structure would fall.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)...protecting a certain class of people.
Cue George Carlin: "It's a club, and we ain't in it"
And the OLC protects it with memos and opinions written by people who aren't elected or accountable. I'm lookin' at you, YOO. (for one)
hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)Too many opportunities and too many times that some on our side are looking the other way. Its an orchestrated effort NOT to stir the pot too much.
Democracy is doomed.
StarryNite
(9,451 posts)Our country is going down the rabbit hole and picking up speed.
llashram
(6,265 posts)I don't know. I just have a feeling deep down, that he will walk. I pray to all the fates there are that I'm wrong. But I feel a set-up on us is down this pike......
sprinkleeninow
(20,253 posts)CrispyQ
(36,483 posts)Hard to imagine that he won't be the repub nom in 2024. Unless he's dead & that's what I'm hoping for.
LiberalFighter
(50,983 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,647 posts)on the obstruction counts because Bill Barr and the leadership of the DOJ under Trump essentially cleared him of the charges. It sucks but it's why the DOJ will not move on it.
See Emptywheel's piece on this.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/10/on-unrealistic-expectations-for-mueller-report-obstruction-charges/?print=print
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)I have given up hope that he will be charged with anything. He was correct. He could shoot someone on Broadway and get away with it.
StarryNite
(9,451 posts)And the ones of us who feel that way will be chastised for not being patient. I guess we aren't supposed to "look up".
bluescribbler
(2,119 posts)It's still happening.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Take it to the bank!
Sadly, no.
Tacan
(97 posts)Fuck You Garland!
Fiendish Thingy
(15,633 posts)Red means substantial evidence exists
Orange means criteria might be met
Blue means insufficient evidence
https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
As you can see, only 5 out 14 potential crimes meet the criteria required for conviction.
Firing Comey wasnt one of them.
DOJ policy is not to indict unless legal criteria for conviction have been clearly met.
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)newdayneeded
(1,955 posts)they don't want to impead his chances of being president again. But, you know, I'm sure it's not that. right?
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)At some point Dems become accomplices. In 5-10 yrs from now if we look back and the extreme people of the GOP have gotten committee chairs like MTG, Gosar, Jordan etc and civil right as well as social programs are gone like gay marriage, social security, Medicare and many other civil rights. The people who could have done something but didnt will be judged just as harshly.
It is really, really frustrating watching the Dems do this high wire act of not wanting to appear partisan and not enforce the laws as they are currently charged to do. Knowing that the GOP would impeach and take President Biden away in handcuffs if they could right now.
Vinca
(50,288 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,922 posts)It. Is. To. Laugh.