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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEverything You Need to Know About the Baby Formula Shortage
1. Why is there a shortage of formula now?
There are really two factors that have driven the current shortage. First, we have the supply chain problem, which has affected all manner of goods since the onset of the pandemic. It eased off a little, but then at the beginning of 2022 it became worse.
Then in February a major baby formula manufacturing plant in U.S. went down. The FDA shut down Abbott Nutritions factory in Michigan. The closure came after Abbotts nationwide recall of multiple brands of formula, including routine Similac cow milk-based formulas such as Similac Advance and several specialty formulas for allergic babies, including Similac Alimentum and and Similac EleCare.
Closing the factory had to be done amid an investigation into bacterial infections in connection to powdered formula produced at the plant, and the deaths of at least two babies. The problem is there just isnt much redundancy in U.S. infant formula production. In other words, there arent enough other factories to pick up the slack when one goes down. The Michigan plant is the largest producer in the country, so when it goes down, it put added strain on the entire U.S. formula distribution system, especially for certain formulas for babies with high-risk allergic diseases and metabolic disorders.
Over the last couple of weeks the shortage has gotten worse. I cant say for sure why this has happened. But I suspect there has been some hoarding going on as parents get anxious. Stores can limit the amount of formula that people can buy, but that doesnt stop people going online to buy more.
On top of that, the shortage has gained wide publicity in newspapers, on TV and in political speeches. All that publicity feeds into public sense that the system is failing, prompting more panic buying and hoarding.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-baby-formula-shortage?ref=home
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These pediatricians, mostly born after the advent of commercial formula, need to get over the idea that homemade formulas aren't "safe"---signed, a proud Carnation baby
Tickle
(2,535 posts)At this point what difference does it make who is at fault. Let's fix it and then we an investigate it and find fault.
People want solutions
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)is this confounded "just in time" delivery system that almost all industry has adopted. That's why there are "supply chain problems", and beyond that, why there is such a thing as a logistics degree. My late ex, who worked in industry, and not even in the front office, used to rail against "just in time" delivery systems, which often weren't, in his experience, and that was long before there was any such thing as a supplay chain problem---he retired in 2005.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Is for parents to stop freaking out and feed their babies cows milk. Good lord. How do you think babies survived BEFORE there was formula that was marketed to parents as being "better" for a god damn profit! At a well check up when my first born was just a few months old I was confirming with the pediatrician what I was told at the hospital and asked "I need to keep him on formula for at least the first year correct?" Pediatricians response, "You can if you want, but it won't make him any smarter." Then he went on to explain it's not necessary to use formula at all. Millions of babies survived just fine WITHOUT formula before it was invented, which by the way is nothing more than cows milk and vitamins.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)My brother couldn't. He was fed a homemade goat's milk formula. Meyenberg condensed goat's milk is readily available at Walmart today---I saw it just the other night---and it was back in 1945 too. There was also a soy milk thing called "Soyola" which I remember because our Chinese-born pediatrician at the time, Dr. Lee, pronounced it "Sorola" when suggesting it to my mother as an alternative if my then baby-brother didn't tolerate the Carnation based homemade formula. But he did, just as I did, and thrived on it after he was weaned from the breast. A lot of babies were fed goat's milk, contrary to your assertion, rather than cow's milk. Also "milk modifier", usually a bit of Karo syrup, was added to either one. Goat's milk is more digestible than cow's milk.
albacore
(2,405 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)then cow's mild beats the alternative, doesn't it?
albacore
(2,405 posts)"Both are about 88% water, but human milk has 7% carbohydrate, 1.3% protein, and 4.1% fat. Cow's milk has about 4.5% carbohydrate, 3.3% protein, and 3.9% fat. What's really important is the types of fat, the protein levels and type of protein.
Cow's milk contains significantly lower amounts of the essential fatty acids that are so good for your baby's growth and development. What's more, they are present in a form that is easy for the baby to absorb and derive nutrition from."
The science on this...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7284997/
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is warning parents not to feed homemade formula to infants. Babies should be fed only breastmilk or iron-fortified infant formula that has been prepared according to the directions on the package.
Homemade formula can harm infants. It might contain too many or not enough nutrients, according to AAP nutrition expert Steven Abrams, M.D., FAAP. Infant formulas are tested by the Food and Drug Administration for quality. They provide the right amount of protein, iron and vitamins that infants need.
Feeding babies homemade formula even for a few days or weeks can have lasting effects and put them at risk of getting sick, according to the AAP.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)This is exactly what I mean. Dr. Spock's formula recipe right in this thread is what a lot of us grew up on. It has vitamins put right in it. Steven Abrams is in league with Big Pharma, I don't care if he is a FAAP. He can pound sand. I am a Carnation Milk baby and I'm 78 years old and just fine.
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)My mother breastfed all of us for 4-5 months and weaned us because of bad advice from her doctors and little support. We were then switched to homemade formula because that's what there was. At that time Nestlé was not the big bad worldwide boogeyman it now is and wasn't selling formula to moms everywhere because there WAS no premade formula! And they didn't own Carnation then either. My mom was a WWII Navy mom and then a GI Bill mom and she did what just about every other mom of her day did---she made things the way they were made. You should learn a little bit about the history before your time and not be quite so doctrinaire. IOW, lighten up.
I'm a La Leche Leaguer too, probably way before your time, and I breastfed all my kids until they weaned themselves. None of them got bottles, basically by their own choice--they were offered, not accepted. But neither am I a breastfeeding nazi. It's not a good look. While I recognize that it's best and should be encouraged, I also recognize that some women can't or simply are poor candidates for it. I also take a slightly dim view of lactation consultants, because frankly, most of the ones I met in my nursing career were idiots. They had all of the science and not much of the warmth....or experience.
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)Youre a bit off here. In more ways than one.
I am deeply familiar with every womans story. Yours, your mothers, todays mother. I have listened to literally thousands of stories.
Henri Nestle invented his first breastmilk substitute in 1867. The Politics of Breastfeeding by Gabrielle Palmer is a good primer.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)I'll be 79 in 6 weeks, so I kinda outrank you. And what I said still holds. You need to stop being quite so doctrinaire. My LLL "big sis" and first leader, who, sadly, died three years ago, was three years older than me and would have said very sweetly, "Dial it back for the benefit of the ones who can't for some reason.and remember how lucky we are."
As for Dr. Abrams, I'm still calling bullshit.
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)You have degraded into the most condescending replies I have seen in a long time.
You have degraded from "Listen, Child" to "OK Boomer." You are astoundingly rude and unwilling to entertain opinions contrary to your own.
As another "nice" person in this thread said with impunity.
"JFC Stop"
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)I gave up. But if you had read beyond the header, which you don't seem to have. And this was her and me, not you.
Anyway, this was MY thread, in case you hadn't noticed.
progressoid
(49,996 posts)Going back to the "good old days" isn't necessarily a good idea.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)have a lot to do with baby formula shortage. There are a lot of other variables here. Prematurity and medical problems being only two of them.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,957 posts)Plus, the Spock formula does nothing to help those who have infants that can't do dairy.
We did a lot of crazy shit in the 40s; should we continue to do it? Not wear seat belts? Helmets are right out? This attitude of "we did and we didn't die" isn't helping anything.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)should have died of malnutrition as infants or toddlers? We all got either breastmilk or homemade formula with added vitamins. If your choice today is starvation or homemade formula, which will you choose?
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)We can't even get leachings from doctors anymore. And don't get me started on no more milk man (person) deliveries. And why do we need color TVs? I grew up in black and white and Mayberry looked just fine in black and white.
yorkster
(1,502 posts)Biden is meeting remotely with retailers and manufacturers today to discuss possible solutions. But the full picture needs to be presented or dems will get all the blame thanks to the usual simplistic blame the incumbent thinking.
forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)You know the population will not be happy.
I know that they desperately need it, but FOX, and even CNN are reporting this, and it's a meme that won't help the administration.
Look for the new political ads from the right coming soon.
I know its bigoted, but we also know how the American first crowd, and desperate parents will react.
patphil
(6,198 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)more or less. I was a Carnation baby after my mom weaned me at 5 months (she was told to because she got the flu). Except you can give the vitamins separately.
progressoid
(49,996 posts)I'm not picking sides, but there are a lot of people here who think corn syrup is the most evilest, horriblest thing in our food supply.
patphil
(6,198 posts)I was just showing how easy it is to make a formula to use if the usual stuff isn't available.
All natural is all better.
Here are some substitutes for Karo Syrup.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/corn-syrup-substitute
Please note, Karo Syrup does not contain high fructose corn syrup.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)You never, EVER give honey to a baby under a year old. EVER! Because of possible bacterial contamination.
patphil
(6,198 posts)MagickMuffin
(15,950 posts)I believe we were fed regular homogenized milk heated and poured into bottles and we wore cloth diapers. The horrors of it all!
Actually, My mom breast fed all of us for a few weeks but then turned to warmed cow's milk.
Bayard
(22,128 posts)When women/girls lose abortion rights.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)NOW!
634-5789
(4,175 posts)...told me that people were grabbing up evaporated milk and making baby formula with the milk. I have no kids, don't know if he was BS'n me or not!
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)that were raised on evaporated milk formula. (See Dr. Spock's recipe above.) You mush have been born after 1970 when pre-made formula became ubiquitous. I am a proud Carnation baby!
634-5789
(4,175 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)for anywhere from 4 to 5 months before we went on the bottle, but my mom got bad advice that caused her to wean us early, hence the Carnation/Meyenberg formulas. And I'm older than that. War babies and one boomer in my family.
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)It was an advertising slogan Nestle is a seriously sociopathic corporate person. Just saying
obamanut2012
(26,099 posts)My mom was a working nurse, and I am also. Carnation baby.
Bev54
(10,066 posts)It is all about the closing of the factory but many would love to blame the supply chain.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)Anyone who's ever worked as a nurse or a pharmacist knows about artificial shortages. Big Pharma creates those all the time when a drug becomes unprofitable...an older drug that's gone generic, say, so has been "copied" or is very cheap, therefore they're losing money on it. So suddenly there's a "shortage", i.e. they've stopped making it for awhile. Oopsy. Then somehow they manage to get a new patent on it so they can raise the price, or maybe they can raise the price just because it was in short supply for awhile, or they come out with a slightly remastered version of the drug.
Watch the price of formula rise when it suddenly is more available again.
clementine613
(561 posts)The Rethugs don't want to do anything about it and they want babies in Dem areas to starve to death.
Vinca
(50,301 posts)survive our babyhoods when there was no such thing as commercial baby formula.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,393 posts)vanlassie
(5,681 posts)Diabetes? Kidneys ok? Any cancer? There is a marked difference between surviving and thriving.
orleans
(34,071 posts)vanlassie
(5,681 posts)tissue promotes the best health outcomes vs any other substitute, and based on the data we have, it is clearly a risk to rationalize using old fashioned recipes that WE were raised on, with the implication that we turned out fine. By such a measure, fine is a low bar.
Vinca
(50,301 posts)I realize some infants have special dietary needs, but I think I'd rather find a concoction that was safe and provided adequate nutrition in the interim rather than have the kid starve to death. I've often wondered if all the pre-packaged, straight-from-the-factory nourishment hasn't been responsible in some way for what seems to be a whole lot of allergies in little kids. For the life of me, I don't remember one person from my childhood with a peanut allergy. But, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, so all I can do is wonder.
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)And as such, human lactation is quite robust. Its why we are here as a species, right? Why do so many believe breastfeeding is the risky option, do you think? Marketing.
And, I too am concerned about long term effects of artificial milks, over generations, not for temporary use in emergencies.
If brain growth is designed for the specific nutrients in human milk
what does this do over generations if withheld?
Vinca
(50,301 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)I believe I read there are only two makers that make all the baby formula in the US. Like so many other industries, this sort of choke hold on manufacturing is a persistent danger to our democracy.
obamanut2012
(26,099 posts)And, one of the, owned by Abbot, had a filthy plant that literally was killing babies. It was closed. So, 50% of formula manufacturing in the US has been gone since February.
What do you think is impeding new entrants to the market? It wouldn't seem that hard or expensive to build new facilities. I don't think there is any fancy hi-tech technology required to make baby formula. Why are there only two makers?
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)And look past the brand labeling into how many corporations are really involved. The simple fact is - Almost every sector from beer to meat packing, and baby formula boils down to two or three players. Why? The government has stopped trying to regulate them.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)a barrier to entry?
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Your short little statement is not very illuminating, nor helpful. Care to fill that out a little?
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)The formulas are designed to mimic breast milk, though studies have repeatedly shown better health outcomes for babies who are breastfed.
https://apnews.com/article/baby-formula-shortage-what-to-know-735cef06e68ed9c5a46233bdfcf0573d
Formulas are "hospital ready" too.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)medical products (vitamins, supplements, OTC drugs, etc.). Still, many companies manage to produce and sell such things. Yes, there are standards, but it's not like producing nanometer scale computer chips.
It sounds like you are blaming the administration (the FDA) for the shortage. That's not a very good look.
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)These guidelines have been around for decades.
The guidelines are much more stringent for infant formula than OTC vitamins.
You know that OTC vitamins have almost no regulation? They have absolutely no quality control. If you purchase a food supplement, it may contain nothing but fillers. (They are a GOP wet dream...)
Infant formula contains pharmaceutical grade vitamins, not ground up One A Day vitamins.
Are you trying to accuse me of making Biden look bad because we care about infants?
Are you trying to accuse me of making Biden look bad because infant formula is supposed to resemble breast milk as closely as possible?
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)Its like its the last thing brought up, if at all, here on DU. Corn syrup, high fructose, evaporated milk, cows milk; how about we support women to breastfeed.
There is nothing better for a human baby than human milk. Its natures answer to What should I feed my baby?
It is superior nutrition and you can still do it if the shelves are bare or the bombs are dropping or you are having some other disaster occur.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)Not every mom can. And I say this as a La Leche League mom who breastfed all of mine way past a year until they weaned themselves. While it may be best, it isn't always possible, and then what? So be nice about it, please.
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)I too am a La Leche League mom who breastfed for many years.
I am frustrated about this formula shortage and the many suggestions to feed corn syrup, etc. Babies should have human milk. I know some women have problems with breastfeeding, but as a La Leche League mom surely you know that most women can breastfeed, some just need extra help and support to get started.
In my mind, this belief that breastfeeding is too hard for most women and/or formula is just as good, is like the Big Lie (RE: the election). It has been repeated so often, everyone just assumes it is to be true. And, like the Big (election) Lie, the Big (breastfeeding) Lie is supported and pushed by BIG money: BABY FORMULA MONEY. They have been advertising this lie since before TV. Whereas, pro-breastfeeding facts don't get too much airplay.
I cannot imagine the stress of no longer having my breastmilk and also not being able to find formula to feed my infant. I would encourage all women to support and encourage each other in breastfeeding. Especially in these turbulent times. That's the nicest thing I can think of to do.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)but there is actually a BREAST MILK SHORTAGE now that women have returned to work. And many workplaces do not support breastfeeding moms with breaks for pumping, or places to pump, etc. Not to mention the lack of maternity leave or abysmally short maternity leave for so many women. Not to mention the lack of support for so many moms, especially Black moms and some Hispanic moms. Not to mention how much flak LLL gets any time it's mentioned, which wasn't so much the case in the 70s when I had my kids.
Need I go on? It's not all the Big Pharma Lie.
vanlassie
(5,681 posts)I am a 40 year long accredited LLL Leader and a retired IBCLC. I also retired after ten years as the Breastfeeding Coordinator for a County WIC department. I am familiar with who does and doesnt attempt to breastfeed and why.
It is undisputed and can be proven that the formula industry has good friends in government and with the AAP. They have sabotaged breastfeeding advertising campaigns sponsored by the Ad Council, for example. Republicans did that.
The medical establishment is only incrementally better now that when I first became an advocate 40 years ago- acting as unpaid marketing reps handing out starter formula in exactly the same way Pharma does
There cant be a useful discussion in this day and age of worldwide deadly viruses and unstable supply chains without including the simple fact that there is an alternative.
Not that currently formula feeding, never breastfeeding mothers are expected to induce lactation, but that thousands of babies will be born before the supply is safe and secured again. Anyone who knows expected parents will help if they will raise breastfeeding as a safe and dependable option, yes?
When you do so, my experience tells me that there are facts about human milk that often astonish parents to be. A mother and baby can arrive at a family bar b que where, dad takes the baby outside to visit. Someone outside sneezes and the baby (NOT THE MOM) is exposed to a germ or virus. When the baby next goes to the breast, the BABY transmits info, via his saliva, to the breast up line, and the mothers milk immediately begins providing specific antibodies for the offending contagion. HUMAN MILK RESPONDS TO THE BABYS ENVIRONMENT. This is simply NOT duplicatable by formula. Human milk has factors aimed specifically at brain growth. A babys brain is not done building at birth- our heads get too big. And so on and so on. The list is long.
It is true several past generations did fine on vastly inferior food. This is nothing to take comfort in, and its not a good idea to imply to new parents that what we did in the old days was just as good. It wasnt.
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)It is true several past generations did fine on vastly inferior food. This is nothing to take comfort in, and its not a good idea to imply to new parents that what we did in the old days was just as good. It wasnt.
blogslug
(38,007 posts)Breastfeeding is not "the last thing brought up, if at all, here on DU."
Many mothers are unable to breastfeed for numerous reasons. I am glad that people, here on DU, recognize that reality.
Dorian Gray
(13,498 posts)is already feeding her baby formula, then it's most likely she is unable to produce (enough) milk to sustain the health of her baby.
So that's not really all that helpful.
obamanut2012
(26,099 posts)bif
(22,736 posts)That's what I keep hearing from right wing assholes on IG!
forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)Of course it is a right wing narrative, but it doesn't help to dispel the narrative when there are pictures on TV reinforcing it.
Don't be surprised when the political ads start running.
And don't forget that a picture is worth 1000 words.
I don't think this will end well, Republicans have been pushing the empty shelf (of everything) narrative for over a year, but when it effects the babies, it hits the heart strings of everyone.
I can see the ads already. Baby crying while Mommy and Daddy stand in front of the empty baby formula shelf. That will be juxtaposed against the pictures of the full pallets, and the immigrant Mommy feeding her laughing infant........
Tickle
(2,535 posts)being an ad but I do now. Ouch!
It is an issue seems to be very upsetting to young families and not a good time of year for this to happen.
ck4829
(35,081 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,957 posts)This needs to be fixed. I have a lot of former students that are friends on Facebook that now have kids and this is a HUGE issue for them. I have more than a handful that can only give their babies a very specialized formula because of allergies. They need help. And if we don't help them, they will remember this for a long time.
And, again, the "back in my day we did X" ISN't helping.
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But I am very surprised that it has started with baby formula.
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)Abbott and Mead Johnson are the main formula producers in the US..
So, a big chunk went out of production.
It will get fixed.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)had protestors advocating for breast milk use instead. I wonder if this still goes on or if its just an excepted practice now.
LeftInTX
(25,511 posts)However, the 70's were a time when formula was still "pushed".
The 80's saw improvement.
In the 70's, you couldn't get WIC if you were breastfeeding, but this changed around 1985.
Lettuce Be
(2,336 posts)Formula was, for a time, considered (by those making it) to be superior to breast milk (insane, I know). Outside of that nonsense, some babies cannot breast feed so there needs to be an alternative, but no one will convince me that without our processed food product, there are no alternatives. What did they do before formula?
Jilly_in_VA
(9,994 posts)and you will find Dr. Spock's recipe. Before that, babies were often fed warmed goat's milk or sometimes cow's milk. I recently read an article (which I cannot now cite, sorry) which gave a history of early times. Wet nurses were employed by those who could afford them. Of course in the American south and in other countries which had slavery, these were most often slaves, but in other places they might be country women, who were thought to be "healthier", or servants who had recently borne children. Another part of the article cited a woman who was caring for an orphaned baby and who was advised by a Native American "healing woman" to boil up a mixture of ground walnuts and certain herbs and feed it to the baby, who "grew and thrived". Various other methods and mixtures were used, but a lot of babies simply wouldn't make it. Infant mortality was high.
I just read some nonsense article with some pediatrician advising women not to share breast milk. WHAT??? Women have been doing this since before time was counted, either by wet nursing or by, as now, milk banking. ~SMDH~ Some of these doctors ought to keep their opinions to themselves on things they know nothing about.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)Some formula.
You can buy goats milk in stores in cans.