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Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:21 PM May 2022

Everything You Need to Know About the Baby Formula Shortage

1. Why is there a shortage of formula now?
There are really two factors that have driven the current shortage. First, we have the supply chain problem, which has affected all manner of goods since the onset of the pandemic. It eased off a little, but then at the beginning of 2022 it became worse.

Then in February a major baby formula manufacturing plant in U.S. went down. The FDA shut down Abbott Nutrition’s factory in Michigan. The closure came after Abbott’s nationwide recall of multiple brands of formula, including routine Similac cow milk-based formulas such as Similac Advance and several specialty formulas for allergic babies, including Similac Alimentum and and Similac EleCare.

Closing the factory had to be done amid an investigation into bacterial infections in connection to powdered formula produced at the plant, and the deaths of at least two babies. The problem is there just isn’t much redundancy in U.S. infant formula production. In other words, there aren’t enough other factories to pick up the slack when one goes down. The Michigan plant is the largest producer in the country, so when it goes down, it put added strain on the entire U.S. formula distribution system, especially for certain formulas for babies with high-risk allergic diseases and metabolic disorders.

Over the last couple of weeks the shortage has gotten worse. I can’t say for sure why this has happened. But I suspect there has been some hoarding going on as parents get anxious. Stores can limit the amount of formula that people can buy, but that doesn’t stop people going online to buy more.

On top of that, the shortage has gained wide publicity in newspapers, on TV and in political speeches. All that publicity feeds into public sense that the system is failing, prompting more panic buying and hoarding.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-baby-formula-shortage?ref=home
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These pediatricians, mostly born after the advent of commercial formula, need to get over the idea that homemade formulas aren't "safe"---signed, a proud Carnation baby

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Everything You Need to Know About the Baby Formula Shortage (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA May 2022 OP
How are we fixing this? Tickle May 2022 #1
One of the problems Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #2
The solution inthewind21 May 2022 #4
Not every baby can tolerate cow's milk Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #10
Cow milk is designed for baby cows. nt albacore May 2022 #12
If breastfeeding isn't an option, and formula isn't available Mariana May 2022 #75
Of course. But what I said stands. albacore May 2022 #76
Very unwise to give substitutes. Please don't encourage homemade formulas. vanlassie May 2022 #31
Bullshit Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #52
A PROUD Nestle Carnation baby! vanlassie May 2022 #53
Listen, child Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #56
Jilly. I had my 70th birthday Tuesday. vanlassie May 2022 #57
Ok, boomer Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #59
So much for "please be nice" SalviaBlue May 2022 #66
I tried. Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #68
Infant mortality rate in 1950 was 6 times higher than today. progressoid May 2022 #65
That does not necessarily Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #67
FDA and AAP advise to not make your own. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #71
So all those people walking around today that are 60 or 70 years old or older Trailrider1951 May 2022 #82
I know right? 48656c6c6f20 May 2022 #39
We have to do both. yorkster May 2022 #6
When the new media shows pallets of formula being reserved for immigration detention centers forthemiddle May 2022 #44
Dr. Spock's receipe for baby formula patphil May 2022 #3
That's what I got Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #11
Two tablespoons of corn syrup! progressoid May 2022 #72
Yes, you could easily replace that with a natural sugar syrup solution. patphil May 2022 #73
One of those mentioned is honey Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #77
Yeah, my wife told me that last night. patphil May 2022 #78
ALL of my siblings were not raised on baby formula and weren't breastfed MagickMuffin May 2022 #5
+1 2naSalit May 2022 #8
But we're about to get a huge influx of unwanted babies to be fed Bayard May 2022 #7
True. Duppers May 2022 #22
DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT greenjar_01 May 2022 #9
Yep ck4829 May 2022 #79
At the store....pondering the cost of evaporated milk and the manager.... 634-5789 May 2022 #13
There are at least two generations of us Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #14
Don't tell anybody, but I'm a 1951 wonder. 634-5789 May 2022 #21
All 3 of us were breastfed Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #24
Just wondering how that makes you proud- vanlassie May 2022 #32
I just missed formula, although my sister had it obamanut2012 May 2022 #41
I don't believe the supply chain issue was any part of the shortage Bev54 May 2022 #15
It's some of both, plus a little of this Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #16
The reason for the baby formula shortage is easy. clementine613 May 2022 #17
I'm glad you added that last comment. I've been wondering how so many of us managed to Vinca May 2022 #18
Some of you didn't. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #20
Do you have hypertension? Heart problems? How's your eyesight? vanlassie May 2022 #33
are you drawing a link from these conditions to babies drinking cows milk? nt orleans May 2022 #35
No. I am attempting to explain that species-specific living vanlassie May 2022 #36
There's a difference between making do with old fashioned formula and dying, too. Vinca May 2022 #38
No one is suggesting starvation. Humans are resilient. vanlassie May 2022 #50
Breast feeding is the best option, but it's not always possible. Vinca May 2022 #51
The monopolies strike again BlueIdaho May 2022 #19
Yup, that's the reason obamanut2012 May 2022 #43
Why? dumbcat May 2022 #46
Look at any industry BlueIdaho May 2022 #47
How is the lack of govt regulation dumbcat May 2022 #61
It's not that easy LeftInTX May 2022 #55
Why not? dumbcat May 2022 #60
FDA, quality control, stringent guidelines etc. LeftInTX May 2022 #62
It's the same for many food products and dumbcat May 2022 #64
I worked in Newborn Nursery. LeftInTX May 2022 #69
Human milk is the answer. SalviaBlue May 2022 #23
Please be nice Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #26
I'm sorry if I sound "not nice" to you. SalviaBlue May 2022 #28
I don't know if you know this Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #29
I'm concerned about the formula shortage for a number of reasons. vanlassie May 2022 #34
Thank you, vanlassie! ARPad95 May 2022 #40
This is no great revelation blogslug May 2022 #27
If a mother Dorian Gray May 2022 #37
Jfc stop obamanut2012 May 2022 #42
Wait, I thought Biden was giving it all to illegal immigrants and sending it overseas! bif May 2022 #25
You are hearing it because there are pictures of full pallets on TV forthemiddle May 2022 #45
geez I never thought of the shortage of baby formula Tickle May 2022 #54
Kick ck4829 May 2022 #30
So this is a major issue for people with children, and "we drank milk" isn't helping. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #48
I agree. The homemade stuff is probably OK for a short term emergency, but not best long term LeftInTX May 2022 #70
I have been predicting food shortages this year since sometime last year fescuerescue May 2022 #49
Bacterial contamination at the company that produces Similac LeftInTX May 2022 #74
Back in the late late 70's on I worked for a company that sold formula, every shareholders meeting yaesu May 2022 #58
Maybe, but not every mom can breast feed. LeftInTX May 2022 #63
What do the "don't make it yourself" folks offer as an alternative? Lettuce Be May 2022 #80
Read the entire thread Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #81
My Mother used goats milk for me. Texaswitchy May 2022 #83

Tickle

(2,535 posts)
1. How are we fixing this?
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:29 PM
May 2022

At this point what difference does it make who is at fault. Let's fix it and then we an investigate it and find fault.

People want solutions

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
2. One of the problems
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:36 PM
May 2022

is this confounded "just in time" delivery system that almost all industry has adopted. That's why there are "supply chain problems", and beyond that, why there is such a thing as a logistics degree. My late ex, who worked in industry, and not even in the front office, used to rail against "just in time" delivery systems, which often weren't, in his experience, and that was long before there was any such thing as a supplay chain problem---he retired in 2005.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
4. The solution
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:38 PM
May 2022

Is for parents to stop freaking out and feed their babies cows milk. Good lord. How do you think babies survived BEFORE there was formula that was marketed to parents as being "better" for a god damn profit! At a well check up when my first born was just a few months old I was confirming with the pediatrician what I was told at the hospital and asked "I need to keep him on formula for at least the first year correct?" Pediatricians response, "You can if you want, but it won't make him any smarter." Then he went on to explain it's not necessary to use formula at all. Millions of babies survived just fine WITHOUT formula before it was invented, which by the way is nothing more than cows milk and vitamins.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
10. Not every baby can tolerate cow's milk
Thu May 12, 2022, 01:13 PM
May 2022

My brother couldn't. He was fed a homemade goat's milk formula. Meyenberg condensed goat's milk is readily available at Walmart today---I saw it just the other night---and it was back in 1945 too. There was also a soy milk thing called "Soyola" which I remember because our Chinese-born pediatrician at the time, Dr. Lee, pronounced it "Sorola" when suggesting it to my mother as an alternative if my then baby-brother didn't tolerate the Carnation based homemade formula. But he did, just as I did, and thrived on it after he was weaned from the breast. A lot of babies were fed goat's milk, contrary to your assertion, rather than cow's milk. Also "milk modifier", usually a bit of Karo syrup, was added to either one. Goat's milk is more digestible than cow's milk.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
75. If breastfeeding isn't an option, and formula isn't available
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:40 PM
May 2022

then cow's mild beats the alternative, doesn't it?

albacore

(2,405 posts)
76. Of course. But what I said stands.
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:51 PM
May 2022

"Both are about 88% water, but human milk has 7% carbohydrate, 1.3% protein, and 4.1% fat. Cow's milk has about 4.5% carbohydrate, 3.3% protein, and 3.9% fat. What's really important is the types of fat, the protein levels and type of protein.
Cow's milk contains significantly lower amounts of the essential fatty acids that are so good for your baby's growth and development. What's more, they are present in a form that is easy for the baby to absorb and derive nutrition from."

The science on this...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7284997/

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
31. Very unwise to give substitutes. Please don't encourage homemade formulas.
Thu May 12, 2022, 11:15 PM
May 2022

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is warning parents not to feed homemade formula to infants. Babies should be fed only breastmilk or iron-fortified infant formula that has been prepared according to the directions on the package.

Homemade formula can harm infants. It might contain too many or not enough nutrients, according to AAP nutrition expert Steven Abrams, M.D., FAAP. Infant formulas are tested by the Food and Drug Administration for quality. They provide the right amount of protein, iron and vitamins that infants need.

Feeding babies homemade formula even for a few days or weeks can have lasting effects and put them at risk of getting sick, according to the AAP.“

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
52. Bullshit
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:46 PM
May 2022

This is exactly what I mean. Dr. Spock's formula recipe right in this thread is what a lot of us grew up on. It has vitamins put right in it. Steven Abrams is in league with Big Pharma, I don't care if he is a FAAP. He can pound sand. I am a Carnation Milk baby and I'm 78 years old and just fine.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
56. Listen, child
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:09 PM
May 2022

My mother breastfed all of us for 4-5 months and weaned us because of bad advice from her doctors and little support. We were then switched to homemade formula because that's what there was. At that time Nestlé was not the big bad worldwide boogeyman it now is and wasn't selling formula to moms everywhere because there WAS no premade formula! And they didn't own Carnation then either. My mom was a WWII Navy mom and then a GI Bill mom and she did what just about every other mom of her day did---she made things the way they were made. You should learn a little bit about the history before your time and not be quite so doctrinaire. IOW, lighten up.

I'm a La Leche Leaguer too, probably way before your time, and I breastfed all my kids until they weaned themselves. None of them got bottles, basically by their own choice--they were offered, not accepted. But neither am I a breastfeeding nazi. It's not a good look. While I recognize that it's best and should be encouraged, I also recognize that some women can't or simply are poor candidates for it. I also take a slightly dim view of lactation consultants, because frankly, most of the ones I met in my nursing career were idiots. They had all of the science and not much of the warmth....or experience.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
57. Jilly. I had my 70th birthday Tuesday.
Fri May 13, 2022, 01:49 PM
May 2022

You’re a bit off here. In more ways than one.
I am deeply familiar with every woman’s story. Yours, your mothers, today’s mother. I have listened to literally thousands of stories.

Henri Nestle invented his first breastmilk substitute in 1867. The Politics of Breastfeeding by Gabrielle Palmer is a good primer.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
59. Ok, boomer
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:27 PM
May 2022

I'll be 79 in 6 weeks, so I kinda outrank you. And what I said still holds. You need to stop being quite so doctrinaire. My LLL "big sis" and first leader, who, sadly, died three years ago, was three years older than me and would have said very sweetly, "Dial it back for the benefit of the ones who can't for some reason.and remember how lucky we are."

As for Dr. Abrams, I'm still calling bullshit.

SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
66. So much for "please be nice"
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:06 PM
May 2022

You have degraded into the most condescending replies I have seen in a long time.

You have degraded from "Listen, Child" to "OK Boomer." You are astoundingly rude and unwilling to entertain opinions contrary to your own.

As another "nice" person in this thread said with impunity.

"JFC Stop"

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
68. I tried.
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:09 PM
May 2022

I gave up. But if you had read beyond the header, which you don't seem to have. And this was her and me, not you.

Anyway, this was MY thread, in case you hadn't noticed.

progressoid

(49,996 posts)
65. Infant mortality rate in 1950 was 6 times higher than today.
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:59 PM
May 2022

Going back to the "good old days" isn't necessarily a good idea.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
67. That does not necessarily
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:06 PM
May 2022

have a lot to do with baby formula shortage. There are a lot of other variables here. Prematurity and medical problems being only two of them.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,957 posts)
71. FDA and AAP advise to not make your own.
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:23 PM
May 2022

Plus, the Spock formula does nothing to help those who have infants that can't do dairy.

We did a lot of crazy shit in the 40s; should we continue to do it? Not wear seat belts? Helmets are right out? This attitude of "we did and we didn't die" isn't helping anything.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
82. So all those people walking around today that are 60 or 70 years old or older
Thu May 19, 2022, 12:24 PM
May 2022

should have died of malnutrition as infants or toddlers? We all got either breastmilk or homemade formula with added vitamins. If your choice today is starvation or homemade formula, which will you choose?

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
39. I know right?
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:21 AM
May 2022

We can't even get leachings from doctors anymore. And don't get me started on no more milk man (person) deliveries. And why do we need color TVs? I grew up in black and white and Mayberry looked just fine in black and white.

yorkster

(1,502 posts)
6. We have to do both.
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:47 PM
May 2022

Biden is meeting remotely with retailers and manufacturers today to discuss possible solutions. But the full picture needs to be presented or dems will get all the blame thanks to the usual simplistic blame the incumbent thinking.

forthemiddle

(1,381 posts)
44. When the new media shows pallets of formula being reserved for immigration detention centers
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:25 AM
May 2022

You know the population will not be happy.
I know that they desperately need it, but FOX, and even CNN are reporting this, and it's a meme that won't help the administration.
Look for the new political ads from the right coming soon.
I know its bigoted, but we also know how the American first crowd, and desperate parents will react.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
11. That's what I got
Thu May 12, 2022, 01:15 PM
May 2022

more or less. I was a Carnation baby after my mom weaned me at 5 months (she was told to because she got the flu). Except you can give the vitamins separately.

progressoid

(49,996 posts)
72. Two tablespoons of corn syrup!
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:54 PM
May 2022

I'm not picking sides, but there are a lot of people here who think corn syrup is the most evilest, horriblest thing in our food supply.

patphil

(6,198 posts)
73. Yes, you could easily replace that with a natural sugar syrup solution.
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:58 PM
May 2022

I was just showing how easy it is to make a formula to use if the usual stuff isn't available.
All natural is all better.

Here are some substitutes for Karo Syrup.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/corn-syrup-substitute

Please note, Karo Syrup does not contain high fructose corn syrup.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
77. One of those mentioned is honey
Sat May 14, 2022, 07:42 AM
May 2022

You never, EVER give honey to a baby under a year old. EVER! Because of possible bacterial contamination.

MagickMuffin

(15,950 posts)
5. ALL of my siblings were not raised on baby formula and weren't breastfed
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:41 PM
May 2022


I believe we were fed regular homogenized milk heated and poured into bottles and we wore cloth diapers. The horrors of it all!





Bayard

(22,128 posts)
7. But we're about to get a huge influx of unwanted babies to be fed
Thu May 12, 2022, 12:50 PM
May 2022

When women/girls lose abortion rights.

634-5789

(4,175 posts)
13. At the store....pondering the cost of evaporated milk and the manager....
Thu May 12, 2022, 01:19 PM
May 2022

...told me that people were grabbing up evaporated milk and making baby formula with the milk. I have no kids, don't know if he was BS'n me or not!

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
14. There are at least two generations of us
Thu May 12, 2022, 01:24 PM
May 2022

that were raised on evaporated milk formula. (See Dr. Spock's recipe above.) You mush have been born after 1970 when pre-made formula became ubiquitous. I am a proud Carnation baby!

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
24. All 3 of us were breastfed
Thu May 12, 2022, 05:44 PM
May 2022

for anywhere from 4 to 5 months before we went on the bottle, but my mom got bad advice that caused her to wean us early, hence the Carnation/Meyenberg formulas. And I'm older than that. War babies and one boomer in my family.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
32. Just wondering how that makes you proud-
Thu May 12, 2022, 11:19 PM
May 2022

It was an advertising slogan… Nestle is a seriously sociopathic corporate person. Just saying…

obamanut2012

(26,099 posts)
41. I just missed formula, although my sister had it
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:51 AM
May 2022

My mom was a working nurse, and I am also. Carnation baby.

Bev54

(10,066 posts)
15. I don't believe the supply chain issue was any part of the shortage
Thu May 12, 2022, 02:03 PM
May 2022

It is all about the closing of the factory but many would love to blame the supply chain.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
16. It's some of both, plus a little of this
Thu May 12, 2022, 02:53 PM
May 2022

Anyone who's ever worked as a nurse or a pharmacist knows about artificial shortages. Big Pharma creates those all the time when a drug becomes unprofitable...an older drug that's gone generic, say, so has been "copied" or is very cheap, therefore they're losing money on it. So suddenly there's a "shortage", i.e. they've stopped making it for awhile. Oopsy. Then somehow they manage to get a new patent on it so they can raise the price, or maybe they can raise the price just because it was in short supply for awhile, or they come out with a slightly remastered version of the drug.

Watch the price of formula rise when it suddenly is more available again.

clementine613

(561 posts)
17. The reason for the baby formula shortage is easy.
Thu May 12, 2022, 03:11 PM
May 2022

The Rethugs don't want to do anything about it and they want babies in Dem areas to starve to death.

Vinca

(50,301 posts)
18. I'm glad you added that last comment. I've been wondering how so many of us managed to
Thu May 12, 2022, 03:12 PM
May 2022

survive our babyhoods when there was no such thing as commercial baby formula.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
33. Do you have hypertension? Heart problems? How's your eyesight?
Thu May 12, 2022, 11:22 PM
May 2022

Diabetes? Kidneys ok? Any cancer? There is a marked difference between surviving and thriving.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
36. No. I am attempting to explain that species-specific living
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:32 AM
May 2022

tissue promotes the best health outcomes vs any other substitute, and based on the data we have, it is clearly a risk to rationalize using old fashioned “recipes” that WE were raised on, with the implication that “we turned out fine.” By such a measure, “fine” is a low bar.

Vinca

(50,301 posts)
38. There's a difference between making do with old fashioned formula and dying, too.
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:12 AM
May 2022

I realize some infants have special dietary needs, but I think I'd rather find a concoction that was safe and provided adequate nutrition in the interim rather than have the kid starve to death. I've often wondered if all the pre-packaged, straight-from-the-factory nourishment hasn't been responsible in some way for what seems to be a whole lot of allergies in little kids. For the life of me, I don't remember one person from my childhood with a peanut allergy. But, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, so all I can do is wonder.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
50. No one is suggesting starvation. Humans are resilient.
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:05 PM
May 2022

And as such, human lactation is quite robust. It’s why we are here as a species, right? Why do so many believe breastfeeding is the risky option, do you think? Marketing.

And, I too am concerned about long term effects of artificial milks, over generations, not for temporary use in emergencies.

If brain growth is designed for the specific nutrients in human milk… what does this do over generations if withheld?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
19. The monopolies strike again
Thu May 12, 2022, 03:16 PM
May 2022

I believe I read there are only two makers that make all the baby formula in the US. Like so many other industries, this sort of choke hold on manufacturing is a persistent danger to our democracy.

obamanut2012

(26,099 posts)
43. Yup, that's the reason
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:54 AM
May 2022

And, one of the, owned by Abbot, had a filthy plant that literally was killing babies. It was closed. So, 50% of formula manufacturing in the US has been gone since February.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
46. Why?
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:11 AM
May 2022

What do you think is impeding new entrants to the market? It wouldn't seem that hard or expensive to build new facilities. I don't think there is any fancy hi-tech technology required to make baby formula. Why are there only two makers?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
47. Look at any industry
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022

And look past the brand labeling into how many corporations are really involved. The simple fact is - Almost every sector from beer to meat packing, and baby formula boils down to two or three players. Why? The government has stopped trying to regulate them.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
60. Why not?
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:36 PM
May 2022

Your short little statement is not very illuminating, nor helpful. Care to fill that out a little?

LeftInTX

(25,511 posts)
62. FDA, quality control, stringent guidelines etc.
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:47 PM
May 2022
Most formulas contain protein from cow’s milk that’s been altered to be easier to digest and enhanced with extra nutrients needed for growth and development. The Food and Drug Administration sets specific nutritional requirements, including minimum amounts of protein, fat, calcium and a number of vitamins. Formula makers achieve those levels by adding various sugars, oils and minerals.

The formulas are designed to mimic breast milk, though studies have repeatedly shown better health outcomes for babies who are breastfed.

https://apnews.com/article/baby-formula-shortage-what-to-know-735cef06e68ed9c5a46233bdfcf0573d


Formulas are "hospital ready" too.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
64. It's the same for many food products and
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:55 PM
May 2022

medical products (vitamins, supplements, OTC drugs, etc.). Still, many companies manage to produce and sell such things. Yes, there are standards, but it's not like producing nanometer scale computer chips.

It sounds like you are blaming the administration (the FDA) for the shortage. That's not a very good look.

LeftInTX

(25,511 posts)
69. I worked in Newborn Nursery.
Fri May 13, 2022, 03:12 PM
May 2022

These guidelines have been around for decades.


The guidelines are much more stringent for infant formula than OTC vitamins.

You know that OTC vitamins have almost no regulation? They have absolutely no quality control. If you purchase a food supplement, it may contain nothing but fillers. (They are a GOP wet dream...)

Infant formula contains pharmaceutical grade vitamins, not ground up One A Day vitamins.

Are you trying to accuse me of making Biden look bad because we care about infants?
Are you trying to accuse me of making Biden look bad because infant formula is supposed to resemble breast milk as closely as possible?



SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
23. Human milk is the answer.
Thu May 12, 2022, 05:36 PM
May 2022

It’s like it’s the last thing brought up, if at all, here on DU. Corn syrup, high fructose, evaporated milk, cows milk; how about we support women to breastfeed.

There is nothing better for a human baby than human milk. It’s nature’s answer to “ What should I feed my baby?”

It is superior nutrition and you can still do it if the shelves are bare or the bombs are dropping or you are having some other disaster occur.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
26. Please be nice
Thu May 12, 2022, 05:47 PM
May 2022

Not every mom can. And I say this as a La Leche League mom who breastfed all of mine way past a year until they weaned themselves. While it may be best, it isn't always possible, and then what? So be nice about it, please.

SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
28. I'm sorry if I sound "not nice" to you.
Thu May 12, 2022, 06:17 PM
May 2022

I too am a La Leche League mom who breastfed for many years.

I am frustrated about this formula shortage and the many suggestions to feed corn syrup, etc. Babies should have human milk. I know some women have problems with breastfeeding, but as a La Leche League mom surely you know that most women can breastfeed, some just need extra help and support to get started.

In my mind, this belief that breastfeeding is too hard for most women and/or formula is just as good, is like the Big Lie (RE: the election). It has been repeated so often, everyone just assumes it is to be true. And, like the Big (election) Lie, the Big (breastfeeding) Lie is supported and pushed by BIG money: BABY FORMULA MONEY. They have been advertising this lie since before TV. Whereas, pro-breastfeeding facts don't get too much airplay.

I cannot imagine the stress of no longer having my breastmilk and also not being able to find formula to feed my infant. I would encourage all women to support and encourage each other in breastfeeding. Especially in these turbulent times. That's the nicest thing I can think of to do.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
29. I don't know if you know this
Thu May 12, 2022, 06:25 PM
May 2022

but there is actually a BREAST MILK SHORTAGE now that women have returned to work. And many workplaces do not support breastfeeding moms with breaks for pumping, or places to pump, etc. Not to mention the lack of maternity leave or abysmally short maternity leave for so many women. Not to mention the lack of support for so many moms, especially Black moms and some Hispanic moms. Not to mention how much flak LLL gets any time it's mentioned, which wasn't so much the case in the 70s when I had my kids.

Need I go on? It's not all the Big Pharma Lie.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
34. I'm concerned about the formula shortage for a number of reasons.
Thu May 12, 2022, 11:46 PM
May 2022

I am a 40 year long accredited LLL Leader and a retired IBCLC. I also retired after ten years as the Breastfeeding Coordinator for a County WIC department. I am familiar with who does and doesn’t attempt to breastfeed and why.

It is undisputed and can be proven that the formula industry has good friends in government and with the AAP. They have sabotaged breastfeeding advertising campaigns sponsored by the Ad Council, for example. Republicans did that.

The medical establishment is only incrementally better now that when I first became an advocate 40 years ago- acting as unpaid marketing reps handing out starter formula in exactly the same way Pharma does…

There can’t be a useful discussion in this day and age of worldwide deadly viruses and unstable supply chains without including the simple fact that there is an alternative.

Not that currently formula feeding, never breastfeeding mothers are expected to induce lactation, but that thousands of babies will be born before the supply is safe and secured again. Anyone who knows expected parents will help if they will raise breastfeeding as a safe and dependable option, yes?

When you do so, my experience tells me that there are facts about human milk that often astonish parents to be. A mother and baby can arrive at a family bar b que where, dad takes the baby outside to visit. Someone outside sneezes and the baby (NOT THE MOM) is exposed to a germ or virus. When the baby next goes to the breast, the BABY transmits info, via his saliva, to the breast up line, and the mother’s milk immediately begins providing specific antibodies for the offending contagion. HUMAN MILK RESPONDS TO THE BABY’S ENVIRONMENT. This is simply NOT duplicatable by formula. Human milk has factors aimed specifically at brain growth. A baby’s brain is not done building at birth- our heads get too big. And so on and so on. The list is long.

It is true several past generations “did fine” on vastly inferior food. This is nothing to take comfort in, and it’s not a good idea to imply to new parents that what we did in the “old days” was just as good. It wasn’t.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
40. Thank you, vanlassie!
Fri May 13, 2022, 07:27 AM
May 2022
It is true several past generations “did fine” on vastly inferior food. This is nothing to take comfort in, and it’s not a good idea to imply to new parents that what we did in the “old days” was just as good. It wasn’t.


blogslug

(38,007 posts)
27. This is no great revelation
Thu May 12, 2022, 05:47 PM
May 2022

Breastfeeding is not "the last thing brought up, if at all, here on DU."

Many mothers are unable to breastfeed for numerous reasons. I am glad that people, here on DU, recognize that reality.

Dorian Gray

(13,498 posts)
37. If a mother
Fri May 13, 2022, 06:18 AM
May 2022

is already feeding her baby formula, then it's most likely she is unable to produce (enough) milk to sustain the health of her baby.

So that's not really all that helpful.

bif

(22,736 posts)
25. Wait, I thought Biden was giving it all to illegal immigrants and sending it overseas!
Thu May 12, 2022, 05:47 PM
May 2022

That's what I keep hearing from right wing assholes on IG!

forthemiddle

(1,381 posts)
45. You are hearing it because there are pictures of full pallets on TV
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:35 AM
May 2022

Of course it is a right wing narrative, but it doesn't help to dispel the narrative when there are pictures on TV reinforcing it.
Don't be surprised when the political ads start running.
And don't forget that a picture is worth 1000 words.

I don't think this will end well, Republicans have been pushing the empty shelf (of everything) narrative for over a year, but when it effects the babies, it hits the heart strings of everyone.

I can see the ads already. Baby crying while Mommy and Daddy stand in front of the empty baby formula shelf. That will be juxtaposed against the pictures of the full pallets, and the immigrant Mommy feeding her laughing infant........

Tickle

(2,535 posts)
54. geez I never thought of the shortage of baby formula
Fri May 13, 2022, 12:50 PM
May 2022

being an ad but I do now. Ouch!

It is an issue seems to be very upsetting to young families and not a good time of year for this to happen.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,957 posts)
48. So this is a major issue for people with children, and "we drank milk" isn't helping.
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:21 AM
May 2022

This needs to be fixed. I have a lot of former students that are friends on Facebook that now have kids and this is a HUGE issue for them. I have more than a handful that can only give their babies a very specialized formula because of allergies. They need help. And if we don't help them, they will remember this for a long time.

And, again, the "back in my day we did X" ISN't helping.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
49. I have been predicting food shortages this year since sometime last year
Fri May 13, 2022, 10:49 AM
May 2022

But I am very surprised that it has started with baby formula.

LeftInTX

(25,511 posts)
74. Bacterial contamination at the company that produces Similac
Fri May 13, 2022, 04:32 PM
May 2022

Abbott and Mead Johnson are the main formula producers in the US..
So, a big chunk went out of production.

It will get fixed.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
58. Back in the late late 70's on I worked for a company that sold formula, every shareholders meeting
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:19 PM
May 2022

had protestors advocating for breast milk use instead. I wonder if this still goes on or if its just an excepted practice now.

LeftInTX

(25,511 posts)
63. Maybe, but not every mom can breast feed.
Fri May 13, 2022, 02:54 PM
May 2022

However, the 70's were a time when formula was still "pushed".
The 80's saw improvement.

In the 70's, you couldn't get WIC if you were breastfeeding, but this changed around 1985.

Lettuce Be

(2,336 posts)
80. What do the "don't make it yourself" folks offer as an alternative?
Thu May 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
May 2022

Formula was, for a time, considered (by those making it) to be superior to breast milk (insane, I know). Outside of that nonsense, some babies cannot breast feed so there needs to be an alternative, but no one will convince me that without our processed food product, there are no alternatives. What did they do before formula?

Jilly_in_VA

(9,994 posts)
81. Read the entire thread
Thu May 19, 2022, 12:22 PM
May 2022

and you will find Dr. Spock's recipe. Before that, babies were often fed warmed goat's milk or sometimes cow's milk. I recently read an article (which I cannot now cite, sorry) which gave a history of early times. Wet nurses were employed by those who could afford them. Of course in the American south and in other countries which had slavery, these were most often slaves, but in other places they might be country women, who were thought to be "healthier", or servants who had recently borne children. Another part of the article cited a woman who was caring for an orphaned baby and who was advised by a Native American "healing woman" to boil up a mixture of ground walnuts and certain herbs and feed it to the baby, who "grew and thrived". Various other methods and mixtures were used, but a lot of babies simply wouldn't make it. Infant mortality was high.

I just read some nonsense article with some pediatrician advising women not to share breast milk. WHAT??? Women have been doing this since before time was counted, either by wet nursing or by, as now, milk banking. ~SMDH~ Some of these doctors ought to keep their opinions to themselves on things they know nothing about.

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