As much as the motivation of the 18 year old racist who killed 10 in Buffalo sickens us,

[Atticus]

perhaps just as nauseating is the realization that countless thousands of our fellow Americans are actually applauding the murders and count this killer of mostly elderly unarmed black shoppers as one of their heroes. And, as sure as death and taxes, his defense fund will receive tens of thousands of dollars from his genuine fans.

I cannot think of any place for such racist monsters in my world. I am not interested in hearing that this murderer is "misguided" and I do not want to hear that he is "sick".

Mad dogs are sick. This killer is evil.

There is no place for either in our society.

[malaise]

1. They remain a minority

The vast majority of the country is against both this and the fight against women's rights

[ancianita]

8. They do.

Yet there are many examples that show it only takes a terrorist minority to prop a minority rule fascist government. The terrorist minority suppresses daily life's normalcy like shopping, church going, driving, jogging, sleeping, and voting. And women in the public arenas.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. But there's no nipping murderous terrorism in the bud when complicit law enforcement enables its power to spread through friendly (head patting) arrests and "investigations" that amount to nothing. Law enforcement has crossed the justice line.

Me, I'd rather be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist.

[soldierant]

9. They do - but

some of them have a lot more money than we do - so, yeah, probably a crazy rich GoFundMe is coming.

[forgotmylogin]

2. The only good thing is I don't think he can get acquitted like Rittenhouse.

From what I understand he LIVE STREAMED IT.

[WarGamer]

5. He did.

And BTW, absolutely nothing similar to KR case.

[jmowreader]

10. Not only that...

Rittenhouse could ostensibly claim self defense.

This asshole published a huge racist manifesto, drove four hours to where he wanted to do this, went to a supermarket in a black section of Buffalo dressed like he was fixin' to go on patrol and armed with a gun with a racial slur on the front sight post and the number 13 (a reference to a neo-Nazi phrase) on the upper receiver, and started blowing people away left and right. There's no doubt whatsoever this man is a mass murderer.

[wnylib]

11. The Buffalo investigators have recently

learned that Payton Gendron drove to Buffalo in March to scout the Black community. He chose the Tops store as a community gathering place where he could shoot several people at once. He actually went inside the Tops store on that scouting mission.

His plan for after the store was to go on down the street outside the store and shoot everyone in sight. But, police arrived before he could do that.

This guy is looking at life without parole.

[dwayneb]

20. Gendron talked to a white cashier in Tops in March

He said to her - "you don't look like you belong here, you look like you should be in a nice suburb somewhere".

Sick scumbag.

[ShazzieB]

12. He'll be convicted all right.

He's got a lot more in common with Dylan Roof than with Rittenhouse, and will probably get sentenced to death just like Roof.

Not that I'm in favor of the death penalty. I'm against capital punishment on principle. But I'm nit in favor of white supremacist jerks getting away with gunning down defenseless black people, people, either.

[former9thward]

13. New York has no death penalty.

[jmowreader]

14. And there may not be any federal laws he violated that carry it either

18 USC 249, the federal hate crimes statute, doesn't authorize death sentences.

The only hope of a death sentence comes IF he was carrying M855 steel-core ammo, which qualifies as armor piercing. 18 USC 924, which covers use of guns during crimes of violence, allows a death sentence to be handed down if he was using AP ammo but life without parole if he was carrying regular ammo. You can buy this ammo online and A LOT of shooters like it, so it's very possible he was using it. (And it's REAL easy to tell...the bullet tips are painted green.)

On the other hand, if he'd have shot up a church that would be a death sentence for sure. 18 USC 247, which covers attacks on church property or people engaged in "free exercise of religious beliefs," calls for a death sentence if you kill anyone in a church. This is what put Dylann Roof on death row.

[NickB79]

18. Even if he used M855, that wouldn't be a federal case

M855 is not currently classified as armor-piercing by the ATF, as it uses a steel tip and lead core, as opposed to a solid steel core like the definition of true AP ammo.

The ATF wanted to reclassify it a few years ago to true AP but failed.

[ShazzieB]

21. Anybody remember why Dylann Roof was tried Federal Court, rather than state?

He was convicted of 33 federal charges (including hate crimes). Gendron's case seems pretty similar to me. Could he end up in Federal Court?

[jmowreader]

22. He was tried in both

In SC he received nine consecutive life sentences. I suspect that if SC would have put him on death row the feds wouldn’t have gotten involved. I also suspect the federal and state prosecutors are discussing this case to see who can come down on him harder…since you can’t classify a supermarket as a church (“oh lord, why is hamburger so fucking expensive?” does not count) they don’t have a clear path to Terre Haute for him, so the feds - who already have 350 pounds of ex-president on their plates - might just let New York be the sole sovereign trying him.

[ShazzieB]

23. Thanks for the info!

Now that you've refreshed my memory, it's all starting to come back.

Regardless of who tries him, I think we can rest assured that he'll be in prison for the rest of his life. Between the number of victims, all the evidence of planning and premeditation, and the hate crime angle, he's toast.

Anyone who might try to compare this cases to Rittenhouse would be way off base. There's NO comparison between the two.

[jmowreader]

25. Also the nature of the victims

Rittenhouse killed three people who were not exactly pillars of their community. Gendron killed 10 people who were parents, grandparents, a taxi driver, a schoolteacher and a retired cop.

I think if I was the federal prosecutor in this I'd be working my ass off to try to fit this case into one of the federal statutes that allows the death penalty. New York doesn't have it, and there aren't any exceptions.

[electric_blue68]

15. I don't believe in the death penalty but there are cases that Really Try My Patience!

Like this one.

Dylan Roof.

Probably a few others.

[Haggis 4 Breakfast]

3. Yes, Atticus,

but we are humane enough to put "mad dogs" down.

[WarGamer]

4. He will have no defense fund.

NO fundraising organization would allow it... AND no payment processing service would accept it.

He will have a Public Defender... who won't accept $20 bills in envelopes from "Burning Cross County, (NametheState)



His base of support will probably be limited to a handful of 8-chan degenerates and his future skinhead prison gang.

[Atticus]

6. I hope you are right, but I don't think so. Somehow some way people will proudly send contributions

to fund his defense, even if it is mailing $20 bills in paper envelopes c/o "Buffalo Patriot".

[jmbar2]

7. The "Logic" of "replacement theory" needs to be destroyed in a pithy and memorable meme

Perhaps Trevor Noah, or someone can frame it. But it needs to be obliterated.

[RobinA]

24. I'm Not Sure

it can be destroyed. If it could, it already would be by its sheer ridiculousness.

[IronLionZion]

16. It would be a tough defense for him

Pre-meditated, well planned out over months, targeted a specific type of person, etc. Buffalo NY is quite different from Kenosha WI so I doubt he could find a sympathetic judge or jurors. For Rittenhouse, everyone involved was white like him. There is a clear racial motivation for Buffalo and he's likely to get some black jurors.

His racist supporters across the country can give money but it won't help much. This a very different situation with no way to claim self defense against scary elderly grocery shoppers or whatever.

[bottomofthehill]

17. The proper term is domestic terrorist not t 18 year old racist, he is a terrorist

He is a domestic terrorist

[Novara]

19. We need a domestic terrorism statute

"Yet there are many examples that show it only takes a terrorist minority to prop a minority rule fascist government."

Yes, exactly this, and that's why we have to fight back against any narrative that he's sick or a lone wolf. He may legitimately be a psychopath (abusing and killing small animals, yes), but he is a DOMESTIC TERRORIST. Other stores with predominately black shoppers have gotten death threats. He is inspiring others to follow suit. I am pretty sure we will see copycats. Black people are not safe.

So Congress needs to pass the domestic terrorism statute
, because we've seen this over and over and over again, and while we have statutes for international terrorism, we don't have any for domestic terrorism. What's more, GET REPUBLICANS ON THE RECORD VOTING DOWN SUCH A LAW, AND DO IT BEFORE THE MIDTERMS.

Any R voting down a domestic terrorism law will be guaranteed campaign ads for Dems.