Roe v. Wade MUST be the line in the sand

[hamsterjill]

The Republicans cannot be allowed to push their religious right agenda any further. Roe v. Wade must stand. It is the line in the sand. If we lose that, we lose everything.

Democrats must understand this. No compromise. No negotiating. No distortion. No confusion.

Clear messaging that we will NOT GO BACK backed up with whatever it takes. Dems need to be on every news channel all day and night talking about this and explaining what the Republican intent is. We need to have medical doctors talking about botched abortions and ectopic pregnancies, and all other chaos that not having access to legal abortion will cause. We need Dem representatives calling out Republican hypocrisy including the fact that the justices LIED during their confirmation hearings.

I’m not seeing enough from Dems yet. We need more!!! I don’t think we can afford to wait until Alito’s opinion is final. I think it will be too late at that point.

[SheltieLover]

1. Absolutely!

[JohnSJ]

2. The line was drawn in 2016, and it should have been obvious

[inthewind21]

5. Agree

And as for messaging, pretty sure Hillary warned about this very thing. And a lot more.

[hamsterjill]

12. She did.

I worked like hell to get her elected because I KNEW!!! But obviously that wasn’t enough. Republicans win again.

[betsuni]

37. +1

[RKP5637]

3. The democrats really need some type of sales/marketing expert to guide them. So often

IMO democratic messaging falls flat. It really needs some help, especially on this one.

[hamsterjill]

4. Totally agree.

We don’t have the luxury of screwing up this one.

[Demsrule86]

15. Speak for yourself. I voted for and campaigned for Hillary in the 16 General. I would have

walked across broken glass to vote for the Democratic nominee. I did not screw up. I am not questioning your vote at all...just pointing out that I did not screw up.

[betsuni]

38. +1

[Demsrule86]

17. The Democrats need a loyal base. I do not find the end of Roe 'flat'.

[RKP5637]

27. Yes, and in congress. I've always noticed the republicans stick together, but sometimes the

democrats in congress go off on their own. Manchin and Sinema are a good example of this. Some of the major stuff they have in essence blocked. It really pisses me off. These are important things. We work to get a democratic congress and then these two fuck it up!!! There is NO excuse!!!

[smirkymonkey]

39. I have been saying this for ages.

You would think that there would be enough intelligent people on our side to spot the problem here - messaging/marketing/PR.

We have always sucked at it and that is why we get our asses kicked (where we shouldn't) when we clearly have the better platform and the desire to make things better for all Americans.

Why can't they get together and figure that out? Spend that money on a slick marketing campaign and flood the media with what is right about us and wrong about them, because god knows we have plenty of material to work with.

And we won't even have to lie!

[qazplm135]

6. what do you need to see?

The reality is we have two Senators who won't kill the filibuster for it, and one who is anti choice.

So nothing gets done that direction.

Biden can't do much.

They can all make it clear what they would do if given power certainly. They absolutely should make this the number one issue for the election.

But ultimately, our side has to be willing to come out and vote over this. Their side has been doing it for 40 years, our side less so.

[hamsterjill]

7. I need to see every elected Democrat talking about this.

Now. Is that too much to ask? My point is that THIS issue must be THE issue. And I don’t see that happening right now. I want to see outrage.

I want creativity. I want the Democrats to figure out how to beat the Republicans at their own game. Are the Republicans really so smart that they can’t be outsmarted? I mean, come on. Find a loophole. Create a loophole. Twist some arms. Whatever it takes.

Because this is do or die.

[qazplm135]

8. they are

every Democrat is talking about this.

There is no beating at own game, there's just winning elections.

There's no loophole, there's winning elections.

[hamsterjill]

9. No, they aren't talking about it enough.

Sorry, but I disagree. We need more.

[Demsrule86]

11. They have been...how about going after the GOP...somehow it always come around to

attacking Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

14. You know what I want? to win elections and hear people on our side...not beating up on our

party. In 16, we were stabbed in the back in the General...now some (not saying you) want to be 'rescued'. Well, that can't happen without electing more Democrats. And thanks to the 'but her email' types...we are screwed at this moment. Our only option is to win elections...all hands on deck.

[smirkymonkey]

40. +1000

I'm not seeing it either. Not nearly enough of it anyway. Although this could be the media suppressing it as well.

[RicROC]

36. Yes, 'we' can do more.

In a democratic republic the voters elect representatives who can do things that we cannot do. We aren't as articulate, we don't have the political connections, we don't have the access to the various monied classes....but we expect them to do their jobs!

When Tucker Carlson speaks the words and the Buffalo gunman repeats them....FFC should suspend FOX license while they investigate.

When a state refuses trans patients to access medical care. Mr Biden should demand that no one is denied medical care and will the power of the federal government to protect anyone who is denied medical care.

When people in Texas lose the grid due to shenanigans of the state government, the US government hooks their grid into the national grid. Having people without electricity in the doldrums of Winter or the ghastly heat summer is unacceptable and US will not put up with it.

When states state pregnant women cannot cross state lines, Dept of Commerce (?) demands free travel between states.


Shootings, prevention of medical care, no access to energy are all actions of domestic Republican terrorism. It should be confronted and remedied. That's the function of a federal government. The terrorists will decry dictatorship, might even try to impeach Mr. Biden...but let them. The issue is not anti-Republican but pro-citizen/pro health & welfare of the people.

[qazplm135]

41. oh please

first no one is suspending Fox's license, and if they did, that would backfire so spectacularly it would be insane.

You expect things that they either shouldn't do or don't remotely have the power to do.

[SoonerPride]

10. Sadly it is too late.

We have to completely re-organize, from the ground up, and play the long game.

It might take 50 years.

The right did it.

We must do it.

The first would be to organize a ballot initiative in every state that bans reproductive freedom.

Get petitions signed. Get the measure on the ballot.

Every state.

[hamsterjill]

13. Republicans win again.

Is there anything that the Democrats are winning these days? I’m starting to wonder. If that’s considered bashing, then so be it. It is a legitimate question.

[SoonerPride]

16. We win when we motivate more than the usual suspects to vote

The deck is stacked against democrats in so many ways.

We have to win by 8% to break even.

We have to by 15% to make real change.

[WarGamer]

19. I don't think so...

We're one generation away from being a much more moderate country... the last of the extremists are dying off.

[regnaD kciN]

22. We've been "one generation away" for at least three generations now...

...somehow, as people age, they become their parents in terms of political positions.

And I really can't look at what's going on right now and believe "the last of the extremists are dying off." That generation may be doing so, but there will always be enough coming to replace them to keep red states red, and that makes up a majority of political power under our current Constitution.

[SoonerPride]

23. This.

I keep hearing how once the olds die off it will get better.

That never seems to happen.

The evil lives forever and the young people never fucking vote.

[hamsterjill]

24. Not much comfort for us older Democrats.

n/t

[Just_Vote_Dem]

35. All I can say is

Don't give up. I'm older too

I see in another post you have a daughter you're concerned about. I lost my sister from Covid because of the Orange monster and his minions. I will never forget and I will never stop fighting them until I take my last breath. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

Best wishes

[hamsterjill]

44. Thank you.

I’m so sorry about the loss of your sister and I totally understand (and have myself) the anger for people dying because the orange ass hole cared more about his hairdo than people’s lives.

I will not stop fighting. We need some smart people to come up with unique and inventive solutions to Alito’s pox on the nation. If that includes the other liars on the court, I’m fine with that. But I refuse to believe that the founding fathers would approve of democracy being lost because some rich, greedy bastards decided not to play fair. We need some warriors with some balls!!!

[WarGamer]

43. I hear ya...

[brush]

25. Pls stop with the "it's too late" rhetoric. This was repeated...

over and over after 2016 but there was a blue wave in 2018 and we kept the House and won the Senate and WH in 2020.

Let's ditch the pessimism and put our heads down and work hard to GOTV in November.

It's no time to be giving up.

[SoonerPride]

28. Did you read the post?

It is too late to stop SCOTUS from trashing Roe but I lined out what we need to do.

Hardly giving up. More like a plan of action.

[brush]

30. "It might take 50 years" sounds like giving up to me.

[SoonerPride]

31. It is reality.

We have to play the long game to recapture the court and that will take decades.

[brush]

32. SCOTUS is not the only game in town. There's much...

work to be done to keep what we have. Overturning of Roe will have a profound effect on women, and many men, voters. IMO it'll be a negative one for republicans.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. The post was the first in the thread to mention states

which makes it look pretty constructive, to me. This Supreme Court will give the power to states, so for the quickest fixes, the action needs to be in the states.

[brush]

34. There's more to work on than SCOTUS. Their overturning...

of Roe will, IMO, have a negative effect on repub election outcomes as women nationwide are not pleased. And many men as well. Plus the J6 nationally televised hearings are coming up and the treacherous machinations of the mega republicans will become public.

[WarGamer]

18. And HOW do do that?

If/when SCOTUS issues the judgement, it's the law of the land.

What do you do?

Other than make sure YOUR State has reasonable and safe abortions?

And support organizations that will fund travel for those in Banned States.

[regnaD kciN]

21. You can still enshrine the right in federal law...

(and see my comment below)

...SCOTUS overturning Roe does not make anything "the law of the land," it just means any claim made under "the right to privacy" can't be upheld in court. Congress and the White House can pass a law mandating reproductive rights throughout the nation, just as much as a Republican Congress and White House could pass a law banning abortion throughout the nation, and it would still be binding. All Dobbs would do would be to remove a right established in 1973 by a Supreme Court decision, not create a new one.

[SoonerPride]

29. They tried that. It failed.

We need to elect more Democrats for that to have a chance.

A lot more.

[WarGamer]

42. Can't SCOTUS simply overturn that law?

I mean... like easily?

I think they'll settle on the State's Rights argument.

HOPEFULLY... States like MINE (CA) continue to serve as a buffer against any FUTURE GOP Federal Gov't or Courts...

[regnaD kciN]

20. In this context, "Roe v. Wade" can NOT just mean "abortion"...

...because overturning Roe won't just allow states to ban abortion, but will renounce the notion of a right to privacy altogether. Even if Roe is codified by federal law, unless we enshrine that entire right (whether by federal statute or even a constitutional amendment), the upcoming Dobbs decision will still allow states to, for example, ban same-sex marriage (or even outlaw homosexuality or gender identity freedom altogether), ban contraception, re-institute laws against interracial marriage, and so on. If we make Roe "the line in the sand," we need to codify the bedrock principle under all of these, not just pass a law legalizing abortion itself and declare ourselves finished.

[hamsterjill]

26. That's fine. I agree, in fact.

My personal hot point button is abortion. I’m fine with all personal freedoms being attached as long as the right to have an abortion is not diminished by any other (completely valid) concern. I am admittedly VERY selfish and one-sided on this particular issue. You’ll have to forgive me, but I’m being honest. Others have their own hot point buttons and most of us are capable of supporting many at one time. But my concern right now is the safety of my daughter.