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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:45 PM May 2022

As many have said before, the DOJ does not have to wait on the Committee....

... if they want to investigate or if they want to indict someone. Even Adam Schiff and others on the Committee have said that the DOJ should not wait on the Committee. They could indict Mark Meadows tomorrow if they wanted.

So why would the DOJ be asking for the transcripts from the interviews by the Committee? That is a good question. I wonder if it is at the orders of Merrick Garland or someone else?

Since the Committee is refusing to hand over the transcripts at this time, it is fueling a lot of speculation.

Jamie Raskin, a member of the Committee, has said that the hearings will "blow the roof off the House". It does seem that the DOJ is becoming more interested in the Committee's investigation, the closer they get to their hearings?

It appears that there are things going on that we don't know.

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As many have said before, the DOJ does not have to wait on the Committee.... (Original Post) kentuck May 2022 OP
Why would the Committee shun the request? Hoyt May 2022 #1
Good question. kentuck May 2022 #2
Well, the DOJ is Biden. Think he knows what is best for country, Hoyt May 2022 #3
I think Biden disagrees dpibel May 2022 #6
I think Biden is calling shots, with input from DOJ. To believe otherwise Hoyt May 2022 #11
No, I think Garland may be worried that the details and public hearings may interfere... machoneman May 2022 #25
I would think the Committee would honor their requests if they wanted some info suppressed... kentuck May 2022 #27
This appears to be for the media... rubbersole May 2022 #5
Hope you are right. But spent too many nights waking up to see if Fitzgerald Hoyt May 2022 #7
because the committee doesn't want to share... agingdem May 2022 #8
+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #15
Turf war. I trust Biden on what's good for country. Hoyt May 2022 #18
Bennie Thompson said they're not finished with their investigation I take that as to say if DOJ ... uponit7771 May 2022 #17
Continue to trust Biden. If he thought it best for country, he'd let Garland know. Hoyt May 2022 #19
+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #20
DOJ is investigating- Grand Jury seated in February, and has been calling witnesses. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #4
That is true. kentuck May 2022 #10
After the New York fiasco I kacekwl May 2022 #9
NY was state level not DOJ IINM, either way the DOJ should've been beating on TFG ass on day one uponit7771 May 2022 #16
It has crossed my mind that the House Committee Mr.Bill May 2022 #12
If they have specific questions about specific witnesses.... kentuck May 2022 #13
I can't think of why they wouldn't want to see everything. n/t Mr.Bill May 2022 #14
I have a very cynical take on this request from DoJ. Grasswire2 May 2022 #21
I had the same thought. Irish_Dem May 2022 #24
Actually, I made a comment in another Karma13612 May 2022 #26
That may be a concern of the Committee? kentuck May 2022 #28
Yup.. Karma13612 May 2022 #29
Interesting move. C_U_L8R May 2022 #22
It is possible... kentuck May 2022 #23
Here is my cynical take. Grasswire2 May 2022 #30

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
2. Good question.
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:52 PM
May 2022

But I trust the inclinations of the Committee moreso than I trust the DOJ at this time.

Why would the DOJ make the request for transcripts at this time? Perhaps they want to control the information that the Committee might put forth to the public?

Nobody knows at this time.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Well, the DOJ is Biden. Think he knows what is best for country,
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:56 PM
May 2022

even if that’s a minority opinion. If Biden wanted an indictment or DOJ public investigation, he’d let Garland know.

dpibel

(2,854 posts)
6. I think Biden disagrees
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:00 AM
May 2022

I'm pretty sure Biden is on the record, multiple times, saying that he respects the independence of the DOJ.

That is, after all, the way it's supposed to be.

You have info to the contrary?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. I think Biden is calling shots, with input from DOJ. To believe otherwise
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:10 AM
May 2022

is naive.

He appointed Garland and I’m sure they discussed issue and have discussed regularly since Wasn’t criticizing you.

It could well be that Garland has told Biden that they just don’t have the slam dunk case to go after trump and associates in a divided country. I would expect Biden to say, “The last thing this country needs is a failed indictment that many see as a political hit.”

If they have evidence beyond trump is unfit for office, go for it. Don’t think they have that.

And I trust Biden’s wisdom on an issue that is much deeper than retribution for trump’s reign of terror.

machoneman

(4,010 posts)
25. No, I think Garland may be worried that the details and public hearings may interfere...
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:20 AM
May 2022

..with the DOJ's own investigation.

In criminal cases, police and AG details are often suppressed BEFORE a grand jury is called or before a written indictment is handed down. In fact, I'll venture some DOJ lawyers are begging the committee staff to withhold certain transcripts or partial testimony to avoid tripping up their own investigations.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
27. I would think the Committee would honor their requests if they wanted some info suppressed...
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:50 AM
May 2022

...and were informed that there was an ongoing investigation of the matter by the DOJ. I do not think the Committee would go against those requests?

rubbersole

(6,729 posts)
5. This appears to be for the media...
Tue May 17, 2022, 11:58 PM
May 2022

DOJ action, especially with the higher ups, will be a lot more palatable and less political seeming to the average voter after the Jan.6 committee "blows the roof off" this conspiracy. I'll sadly admit to being a Pollyanna if these traitors skate.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Hope you are right. But spent too many nights waking up to see if Fitzgerald
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:01 AM
May 2022

had arrested bush and Cheney to get too hopeful.

agingdem

(7,859 posts)
8. because the committee doesn't want to share...
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:02 AM
May 2022

they've done all the heavy lifting and they want to tell their story without any DOJ noise...and I assume the committee is kind of pissed because the contempt of Congress referrals have gone nowhere..what I don't get is why Bennie Thompson didn't keep this in-house instead of going public...

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
17. Bennie Thompson said they're not finished with their investigation I take that as to say if DOJ ...
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:36 AM
May 2022

... takes the notes they could quiet the committee before they get the evidence out to public.

I'm not impressed with DOJ right now, Sussan and Hunter Biden aren't helpin my useless opinion

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
10. That is true.
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:06 AM
May 2022

There is a Federal Grand Jury seated for a criminal investigation. Perhaps the Grand Jury has asked for more information?

I suspect we will know soon enough. The hearings are scheduled to begin on June 9th.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
12. It has crossed my mind that the House Committee
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:11 AM
May 2022

and the DoJ have probably interviewed some of the same witnesses. Maybe Garland wants to see if these witnesses told the same story at both places. Or if any of the House witnesses said anything that corroborates or contradicts what others said at the DoJ.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. If they have specific questions about specific witnesses....
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:17 AM
May 2022

...I would think the Committee would accommodate them with such a request. But not a request for all the interviews?

I would like to think they are both working toward the same goal.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
21. I have a very cynical take on this request from DoJ.
Wed May 18, 2022, 12:44 AM
May 2022

So I'll pass on making a comment, in deference to the Garland defenders.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
26. Actually, I made a comment in another
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:30 AM
May 2022

Story/Thread/Article/Diary voicing my concern over a possible “Catch and kill’ by DoJ.

We will see if my comment is flagged for conspiracy theory. It would be my first time. I just keep thinking about the Manhattan DA vs Trump fiasco. I’m still pissed about that. No explanation, we are just to assume they couldn’t make the case.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
28. That may be a concern of the Committee?
Wed May 18, 2022, 08:51 AM
May 2022

They should be reassured by Garland that the requests are above-board.

Karma13612

(4,554 posts)
29. Yup..
Wed May 18, 2022, 10:20 AM
May 2022

Agree.

I’m afraid I no longer trust our government to be forthcoming, even to other entities in the government. We know they have lied to the public for eons. But, with so much infiltration of our government, and with Trumpies left in place, we have timebombs all over the place.

Fed up….

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
22. Interesting move.
Wed May 18, 2022, 07:17 AM
May 2022

It should unnerve a few conspirators and witnesses. The House committee is basically saying they've got a ton of solid proprietary evidence and they intend to see it through.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
23. It is possible...
Wed May 18, 2022, 07:33 AM
May 2022

that Republicans still have connections within the FBI and the DOJ, just as Rudy was working with FBI agents on the sly.

Also, we should not dismiss the possibility that those 5 Congressmen that have been indicted could be behind some scheme to use their assets in the FBI and DOJ to dishonor the reputation of the Committee?

If the DOJ does not want them to pursue certain avenues of investigation, then they should tell them so. Otherwise, the Committee should continue to do their job, in my opinion.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
30. Here is my cynical take.
Wed May 18, 2022, 11:53 PM
May 2022

Why would J6 want Federalist Society members in DoJ to have information on people who seem to be protected from prosecution, by DoJ Federalists?





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