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Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:37 PM May 2022

As long as the second amendment remains mass shootings will continue.

The NRA's self serving interpretation of the second amendment which SCOTUS upheld allows nearly un-restricted access to guns for everyone in the US. Now, even if the NRA disappeared, access to unlimited guns would continue.

Laws can be written to try to control access but they will always be limited as long as the second amendment remains.
This amendment and it's interpretation is a plague on all of us. We are the only advanced country that allows citizens access to weapons of war and it's only because of the unfortunate wording of this amendment. As long as it stands there will continue be forces that use those words to keep supplying guns to mass murders.

I know it's viewed as impossible to change but that is the only way America could really begin to control the wanton murder of innocents by random misfits.

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Scrivener7

(51,025 posts)
1. There are about a million steps between where we are now and repeal of the 2nd. None of which
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:43 PM
May 2022

we have tried.

Let's not make "repeal the 2nd" the "defund the police" of 2022.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Well, just interpreting it as its writers intended would enable substantial gun control.
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:45 PM
May 2022

Imagining progress on this is effectively impossible, as it would be if your statement were correct, is probably not the best way to support progress.

After all, all we had to do was elect Hillary Clinton and the Democrats riding her coattails in 2016 and we'd be in a different world gun-wise today. We were so close! We will be again, someday.

And also, nothing continues forever. Events generate change. The era of terrorist hijackings did and passed, as did the era of serial killers. Someday we'll have another chance -- just have to not blow it.

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Initech

(100,107 posts)
4. I feel like we'd have to fight a war to get it repealed.
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:46 PM
May 2022

Those gun humpers aren't going to lay down their arms that easily.

relayerbob

(6,559 posts)
5. The second amendment has been intentionally misinterpreted
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:48 PM
May 2022

It is designed to give states the right to their own military forces - ie National Guard. Period. "Bear arms" in the 1700s was a military term. It specifically mentions "well-regulated militias". But, SCOTUS, esp in 1939, decided that despite that fact, individuals could carry weapons that weren't deemed to be "military", which has now eroded to the point where almost anything short of nuclear weapons is OK.

The 2A is, IMO, the single worst sentence ever written in any legal document, ever.

Mister Ed

(5,944 posts)
6. As long as it remains grotesquely twisted and misinterpreted.
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:48 PM
May 2022

Its clear purpose was to support a well-regulated militia that the government could call upon in times of need, such as today's National Guard. It was understood as such until relatively recent times.

Only over the past eighty years or so has it been distorted into a universal license to threaten and kill.

Calling all professed "Constitutional Originalists" in the judiciary: where is your voice now?

markie

(22,758 posts)
8. well
Wed May 25, 2022, 12:53 PM
May 2022

the interpretation of the second amendment...

Amendment II
"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290) Scalia writing the opinion
although he did include
...
"2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

so here we are...

key.....
"well-regulated"
"militia"
"infringed"





mi·li·tia
NOUN
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency:
"creating a militia was no answer to the army's manpower problem" · [more]
synonyms:
armed forces · army · forces · services · soldiery · navy · air force · marines · special forces
a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
synonyms:
armed force · force · military detachment · military unit · unit · platoon · brigade · regiment · squadron · battalion · company · legion · corps · troops · soldiers
historical
(in the US) all able-bodied citizens eligible by law to be called on to provide military service supplementary to the regular armed forces.

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