how about using civil lawsuits vs. negligent gun owners?

[0rganism]

Same standards as Texas uses for its anti-abortion bounty system, but apply it to firearms. Legislatures can pick their own preferred scaling, here's my modest proposal:
* Gun improperly stored? sue for $1000
* Gun accessible to children or insane people? sue for $10000
* Gun used in a violent crime? sue for $100000 plus any additional compensation the judge/jury cares to add

This could incentivize responsible firearms owners to continue behaving responsibly, while holding irresponsible owners to account financially.

[Irish_Dem]

1. You get the Zelensky Award for the day.

Zelensky Doctrine: Against all odds, fight like hell and win.

[Ocelot II]

2. There are already fines for most of those violations in many states.

And since they are criminal penalties they're easier to collect. Lawsuits are a huge PITA; nobody sues for only $1,000.

[maxsolomon]

5. i've seen multiple stories of homicidal negligence on DU

deadbeat, POS uncle or boyfriend or dad leaves handgun laying around between the couch cusions, toddler gets hold of it, kills themselves/a sibling/a playmate.

rather than charge the negligent adult with manslaughter or anything, the sheriff says "well, it's a tragedy. they didn't mean for it happen, they've learned their lesson, no point in punishing them further."

if local authorities won't enforce the law, then how is there any accountability?

[TexasTowelie]

3. I don't see how any of the suggestions would have had an impact on the shooting in Uvalde.

Financial penalties do not matter to a dead person and that is the most likely outcome for those that initiate such violence.

[Triloon]

4. This would have had no effect on

the shooting yesterday, or any other shooting I can think of, but it is neatly punitive against people who have committed no crimes.

[sanatanadharma]

8. The day before yesterday, we could not be punitive against yesterdays murderer

Sorry, throw the laws at the gunners, let the courts weigh in and then ignore them like Georgia and Jackson did.

If the USA is ever forced to actually choose between a well-regulated nation and child-sacrifice to save the gun-groomers' egos, I predict the children will win.

[jimfields33]

6. How could they possibly get 100K out of Salvador?

Number one he’s dead. His mother a drug addict. His grandmother is dead. He was 18 with not even two nickels to scrape together. Where did he get the money for the guns? Good question.

[0rganism]

7. This isn't about any single case, it's a way to provide widespread potential liability

Remember Adam Lanza? It could have impacted his family and led to safer practices. Nancy Lanza could still be alive.

And as you point out, someone sold guns to Salvador. In such cases, maybe there's a way to hold the firearms dealers liable too. It's clearly up to the citizens at large to hold weapons sellers to account for due diligence, if we can't rely solely on the ATF.