Gun maker and sporting good store made $5000 selling weapons to Texas Killer

[RAB910]

Selling military grade weapons netted Daniel Defense Rifle and Osis Outback Sporting Goods $5000


https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/live-updates-superintendent-heart-broken-today-84951141

https://abc7news.com/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-massacre-timeline-robb-elementary/11894428/

[exboyfil]

1. Cute they care about all the kids shot

Their gunshop page:

https://oasisoutback.com/uvaldestrong.html

[hatrack]

2. Strange! The "Gunshop" link on that page doesn't appear to work . . .

I wonder why.

[Emile]

4. Every link but that link works? Strange indeed!

[hatrack]

5. Good news! Their "Hunting" page does feature "hard-hitting" Hornady ammunition!

[Cheezoholic]

7. "Hard hitting hollow point bullet for a wde range of varmints"

Varmints

&ab_channel=WFAA

[RAB910]

6. When you click on their gun shop link that comes up

Want to bet they keep the $5000

[House of Roberts]

3. What was that kid doing for money?

I thought he was bullied for being poor.

[RAB910]

8. He worked at Wendy's

[uponit7771]

14. Damn, did he steal the truck too? Wendy's in a small town sounds like the job to be at

[BruceWane]

31. Basically, yeah, he did steal the truck

It was his grandmother's truck, and by the account of a neighbor who saw him take off from the grandmother's home after shooting her he didn't know how to get it out of park, fumbled with the shifter for a bit before speeding away.

[uponit7771]

32. thx

[anarch]

22. I'm assuming it was bought on credit

so there's also the issue of predatory banks blithely handing out $5k credit limits to teenagers, but then you start to get into the whole question as to why in the fuck anyone would feel so desperate and angry as to be inspired to murder children as a way of "getting back at the world." We need to take a real hard look at our whole society and way of living; if we don't do something drastic soon it won't matter anyway, since we'll all die in the climate crisis.

[PTWB]

9. Definitely not military grade.

Why do we try to further sensationalize the already horrific and sensational?

These are civilian weapons that, while outwardly similar in appearance, are functionally very different from their military grade counterparts.

[RAB910]

11. I have so many issues with this post

First, those weapons are absolutely military-grade (I didn't fall for the same tired trap of calling them "assault rifles"


Second, with 19 kids murdered why are words used so important???


This weapon was made for mass killing, that is a fact. So why the word games pretending it's not?

[PTWB]

17. Why call it something it isn't?

There is no doubt that the AR-15 is a deadly weapons platform. But it isn’t equivalent to its fully automatic, military grade cousins.

Children have been murdered. Is that not horrific and sensational enough? Do we really need to embellish our description of the weapon used to commit those murders?

[RAB910]

33. It's not for hunting or home defense

What is it for other than military???

[PTWB]

34. ARs used for hunting and home defense are incredibly common.

What are you talking about?

[RAB910]

39. so the flash suppressor is for hunting?!?! give me a break

[PTWB]

43. The rifle is commonly used for hunting

Some are equipped with flash hiders while others are equipped with different muzzle devices. Regardless, they’re still very common hunting rifles.

[RAB910]

49. yeah, for hunting people

[PTWB]

53. Yes, it's the weapon of choice for mass shooters these days.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t also an incredibly common hunting rifle and home defense weapon.

[RAB910]

54. Mass shooters up for military-grade weapons

weapons that are designed to kill people as many and as quickly as possible

It's why they have flash suppressors. It's why they usually have mechanisms to minimize muzzle rise and recoild. It's why they have 30-round magazines.

this weapon is based on the M4 Carbine

Care to tell me WHO uses that weapon???

[BruceWane]

42. Pick nits much?

So an AR-15 can "only" fire bullets as fast as you can pull the trigger, while drawing from a high capacity magazine. That's a hell of a lot lot closer to full auto that it is to double-hammer or bolt action.

It's a weapon that has no business in civilian hands. It is not "civilian grade". Unless there's some other "grade" of firearms that I'm not familiar with, that leaves one classification to place it in, doesn't it?

The entire point of enacting strict control of these weapons is that they are demonstrably quite capable of unleashing the kind of carnage seen in war and are thus "military grade".

We don't classify Javelin anti-tank weapons as "military grade" based on their ability to fire multiple times per second. We classify them as such based on the destruction they manifest. Why should we not apply the same standard to guns?

[uponit7771]

18. YES !!! Call them "mass kill" weapons and they have no argument against this label cause that's

... exactly what they are.

[uponit7771]

16. Fuck, not these overtly semantic arguments again ... come on DU we can do better.

[PTWB]

20. I was just thinking the same thing ...

“Here we go again”

If someone cannot make an argument without embellishing or sensationalizing or misrepresenting, perhaps there is a flaw in their argument?

Children have been murdered. Is that not horrific enough? Do we really need to embellish details about the alresdy deadly weapon used to murder them?

[uponit7771]

24. Mass kill weapon isn't "embellishing" neither is military, pistol grip rifle etc. The descriptions

... are close enough to get the point across and the rest don't change the point being made.

We all know this by now

[PTWB]

25. wharever floats your boat 🤷🏻‍♂️

Clearly our push to pass meaningful, common sense gun control has been working beautifully and we don’t need to rethink our approach.

[uponit7771]

26. The approach should be to run on what's popular in regards to gun control not focus on nats assed ..

... verbiage that doesn't mean shit in the long run.

[PTWB]

44. Misinformation and misplaced outrage hasn't worked and isn't going to work.

Safe storage laws and universal background checks are popular and could be passed with the right combination of politicking, compromise, and reality-based arguments.

[uponit7771]

45. Calling Pistol Grip Rifles "mass kill" weapons is not misinformation

[PTWB]

46. And calling an AR-15 a military grade rifle is.

There is no dispute about the AR-15’s lethality. It’s an incredibly effective killing machine.

[uponit7771]

47. It's close enough

[PTWB]

48. Not at all.

If we cannot be accurate, precise, targeted, and factual with our push for gun control, we will have as much success as we've had since Sandy Hook. That is to say -- none.

Safe storage laws and universal background checks are popular and could prevent some of the carnage that we see on a far too regular basis. They wouldn't have prevented this particular shooting but they may have prevented others. If we want those to pass we must not fall victim to hyperbole, embellishment, or misinformation.

[RAB910]

37. distracting from the topic with semantics will help?!?!

[RAB910]

35. exactly!!! This is a weapon designed for mass killing

it serves no purpose to claim it's not a military-grade weapon

[greenjar_01]

58. Strategy 1: Make you think you don't have the knowledge required to have a position

Strategy 2: Tell you any change is impossible and the current situation is inevitable.

That's all they have. Their beliefs are despicable and indefensible.

[anarch]

27. you'll get nowhere with this crowd with that kind of talk

if the murdering fuck had used an M249 he probably could have wiped out half the town before anybody could stop him, and that's more or less where the line is drawn right now. If he'd used a 155mm gun he could have wiped out the entire town and probably part of San Antonio too, and we can't have those kind of weapons, which really are "military-grade" as you mean it.

That kind of thing is why I mostly avoid the whole gun-banning part of the conversation at this point; aside from the fact that it is never going to happen, certainly not with the current fascist SCOTUS, I don't see any use anyway in banning a particular style of carbine or a particular type of small-arms ammunition or something. As it is now, fully automatic weapons are effectively "banned" (at least for people who aren't rich and can pay the exorbitant licensing fees), workarounds for that were banned after the Las Vegas shooting, and you don't see civilians out there with fully armed tanks or flying F-18s, or even simple things like claymores and mortars such.

We can do a lot more in the way of background checks, licensing and training requirements (the whole purpose of the 2nd Amendment being to maintain a "well-regulated militia" after all), I would say including periodic proficiency checks and inspections, safe-keeping requirements, and maybe even insurance requirements like we have with cars. That would help considerably and would not, in my opinion, be unconstitutional.

But we need to address the root cause as to why anyone would be inspired/compelled to lash out at the world like this.

[shrike3]

55. And 19 kids are dead. Yeah. I care about semantics right now.

[SYFROYH]

10. Im sure they didnt net $5000.

There a bunch of costs involved.

[RAB910]

12. and?

[SYFROYH]

13. You said they netted $5000.

Im saying that is very unlikely.

This is how discussion works.

[Mosby]

50. The DDM4 is 2000 dollars, the scope is 725.

He bought two of them and a bunch on magazines.

[Jack the Greater]

57. Exactly... they may have grossed $5,000

But they did not net $5,000.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Where did he get the money?

[uponit7771]

19. Worked at Wendy's

[Baitball Blogger]

21. He made $5000 at Wendy's?

Saved up that much? And bought guns with it? Doesn't that suggest premeditation?

[uponit7771]

23. Yes, and had a truck to crash IINM. Either way Wendy's must be paying nice

[haele]

29. "Had a Truck" for a teen means nothing.

Grandparents probably signed over their spare truck to him so he had a vehicle to get to school or work in.
We did that with the kidlet when we upgraded our vehicle after she got her licence at 18. She was still living with us, so saving money was no problem for her.
She paid us for her insurance (and her cell phone) and we signed over the 2001 Focus to her for a dollar. She was able to take home around four to five hundred every two weeks at her ~ 28 hr a week retail job, so if she wanted to save up $5k for any reason, it might have taken her 10 months or so. Less time if she convinced her manager to give her more hours, picked up some extra money selling craft jewelry or doing odd jobs, or after she got her taxes back during that period she started saving for that $5k.

Haele

[uponit7771]

30. Where I group up it sure does, kids in my HS parents couldn't afford cars and insurance etc ...

... and I was blessed to grow up with both parents in the house and all that was a complete no.

[Jack the Greater]

56. According to news sources, the truck belonged to his grandmother

He took it after he shot her.

[Cracklin Charlie]

28. That's my question.

Would this kid have had that kind of money?

The early reporting was that he was bullied because he was poor. They made fun of his clothes.

Where does a poor kid get $5000? That amount would have bought a lot of cool clothes.

[Baitball Blogger]

40. I know. Something isn't adding up.

[Mosby]

51. The guns store offers credit. nt.

[Cracklin Charlie]

52. To high schoolers that work part time at Wendy's?

I don’t know.

[Mosby]

59. I don't know either.

[texasfiddler]

36. Click on Oasis Outback Uvalde website gun shop tab

The following message shows up: Our hearts are with the families of Uvalde. It is the only tab that says that. Pretty sick. It should say: Our profits went through the hearts of Uvalde children. Thanks GOP!

[RAB910]

38. exactly!

[ellie]

41. What 18 year old

has $5000?