Found on FB

[mac56]

[ck4829]

1. None of these shooters have ever said "Wait right there for 5 minutes for my Rube Goldberg machine"

"I'm tired of being an incel, time to unleash the wrath of my easily escapable slow dipping mechanism on all the Chads and Stacys!"

[geardaddy]

9. You win the thread.

This needs to be its own OP

[Stuart G]

2. K & R

[niyad]

3. KNR

[Martin Eden]

4. Has a bystander ever been killed...

... in a drive-by stabbing?

[IronLionZion]

6. Stabbings happen all the time

but generally have lower body counts than shootings

[milestogo]

42. Guns are 5x deadlier than knives.

[Wednesdays]

5. A gun is the only common object

that if used as directed, results in death.

[AllyCat]

39. Right here

[Traildogbob]

7. First off

I worked my whole life, served in the military, went to college, retired as an educator. I live off state retirement, SS and a tiny VA disability, 30 percent. In many peoples eyes my salary looks really weak, but I’ve learned to live small. I can still help my daughter with Major home repairs, buy good wine and eat healthy. But I no way could afford to go buy two assault rifles, 7 clips that hold 30 rounds and hundreds of rounds, plus tactical gear. Most 18 years old are scraping to buy gas. Tell me how the hell an 18 year old high school drop out can just walk in and afford all that. How many of y’all could fork out around $4,000 at 18 years old for guns while working at Micky D’s. And to show how efficiently deadly that gun is, how much practice did he even need to kill that many people and put the fear of God in trained masses of “Guy’s (not so good in the eyes of parents screaming to do something) with artillery in 40 minutes.
In the military, you train train train, police train, train, train, especially tactical police. Here this kid with lots of spare cash can get all that, and kill as efficiently as a Navy Seal with minimal training.
But as Rep Fines from Florida said today, this is an acceptable price for freedom. He should have been sent in that class room with a bucket of soapy water and a paint scraper to clean up that acceptable mess of blood, bones, brain matter and body parts. He also threatened to kill the President if he even thought of taking his guns. Party of Jesus and Pro Life. It’s time to bury the GQP instead of children and Seniors. Figuratively.

[KS Toronado]

12. My gut feeling is his Grandmother

discovered he had used her credit/debit card to purchase the guns and was confronting
him about them. So he shot her and that sped up his timeline to commit mass murder.

[Traildogbob]

14. You may be correct

None of those death toys are cheap.

[halfulglas]

15. Perhaps correct, but he also had profound contempt for her.

Shooting someone deliberately in the face shows you are obliterating them. You don't want to look at them. Also, he announced on FB ahead of time that he was going to shoot her. Both things may be true.

But guns, especially military guns, are the surest way to murder or suicide. Poison, knives, etc. all have more effective treatment and a better chance of survival.

[SoonerPride]

27. Nope.

He was mad she was on the phone.

He sent messages to a friend on FB.

[Traildogbob]

34. Thank you.

[Deuxcents]

36. Thank you for your service 🦅

[sarisataka]

8. The greatest loss of life in a school attack

Did not use a gun. I really don't want mass murderers to get creative.

That doesn't mean the current situation is acceptable either.

[maxsolomon]

16. which one was that?

really, I've forgotten.

was it a knife attack on a school in Asia?

[BlackSkimmer]

18. Got me. Don't remember that one either.

[sarisataka]

19. Bath school in 1927

Is the highest in the US (I should have specified that)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Other countries have had worse events but are usually military or terrorist actions.

[maxsolomon]

20. Thanks, hadn't known about that.

95 years ago.

I think I'd run the risk that an 18-year old Incel won't get that "creative" if he can't mosey on down to the local Gun Shop for a couple birthday MSSAs.

[sarisataka]

21. At one point my job was

To come up with worst case scenarios. Essentially the team I was on planned terrorist attacks. Sometimes we scared ourselves...

[wnylib]

37. Timothy McVeigh.

And he did not work alone. Besides Terry Nichols, he had connections with a militia in Michigan.

There are many people who could and would use explosives for mass murder.

We still should not be deterred from gun control because of the possibility of mass murder by explosions. But we should be prepared for the possibility, even likelihood, of explosions replacing guns.

Time for a "snitch law" to reward people for reporting suspicious gun or exposives activities.

[maxsolomon]

40. Not a school, though.

As noted elsewhere in this thread, steps have been taken to address the feasibility of constructing fertilizer bombs, as well.

Guns are far easier to obtain and use than any other method of mass slaughter. Given that America is absolutely saturated in semi-automatic firearms, it is extremely unlikely that America's teenage homicidal maniacs would turn to explosives any time soon, or ever.

Why bother? Just steal your Grandma's credit card and an MSSA with 300 rounds of explosive-tipped bullets are yours, with just a background check to clear. You never have to worry about paying it off; you're planning to be dead soon.

[wnylib]

41. I think you misunderstood my point.

You are correct that right now, as the laws stand, people can get their hands on an AR15 and ammo easily.

But I was addressing the earlier post about people turning to explosives IF gun control laws prevent access to multiple round, high speed guns.

[maxsolomon]

43. And I don't believe that will ever be necessary for America's maniacs.

No guns are ever going to be grabbed. 20 million MSSAs are in circulation currently. Lord knows how many SA Handguns.

Multiple round, high speed guns are here for the duration, and they will be obtainable, legally or illegally.

[wnylib]

44. Well, you are right about that as long as

people like you take that attitude and promote it.

I stand with the people who refuse to stand by and whine that it is what it is and we cannot stop it.

We can choose where we stand on this and how we respond. I hope that most Americans choose more wisely.

[maxsolomon]

45. Right.

It's "people like me" that are the problem, not the millions and millions of rabid 2nd Amendment Absolutists who are liberalizing and suing and striking down gun laws, or buying arsenals and poncing about "defending" themselves and slapping "Molon Labe" stickers on their trucks.

What I'm "promoting" that we face the reality of the situation. We're decades away from any kind of rationality on firearms. I'll be long dead before a gun is grabbed, and I'm not 60.

Sorry, cynicism is warranted here. Shit is going the wrong direction, and has been for decades.

[wnylib]

46. So therefore, you have decided that if

you can't beat them (in your lifetime), then you might as well join them.

You complain that I am blaming you instead of the 2nd amendment gun addicts. You can't have it both ways. You want them blamed, but at the same time do not want to fight them because you say that it is futile.

Yes, I blame the gun addicts and especially the politicians who cater to them. But I also blame people who will not fight against them.

"All it takes for evil to exist is for good people to do nothing."

That is a slightly modified quote from Edmund Burke. The original says "good men" which I have modernized to "good people."

[AncientOfDays]

22. easier back then

It was much easier to get explosives back then. Even McVeigh had to "get creative", and they've made it harder for that to happen since then.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

24. Pyrotol and dynamite are hard to get. Certain other chemicals are quite easily obtained.

Anyone with internet access and high school chemistry lab experience can make a device just as effective.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. I think that guy used a rifle to kill his wife the day before.

My guess is with the easy availability of certain chemicals I won't name, the same thing would be doable today.

[sarisataka]

25. As the line in the move goes

A few household chemicals in the proper proportions.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

26. I remember the line but not movie... which one? n/t

[LiberatedUSA]

28. Tremors

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

30. Okay, I remember Bert.

Great movie.

[sarisataka]

29. Tremors

Michael Gross as Burt Gummer

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

31. Bert...Burt... whichever...

Very exciting.

Point being, people are innately creative and those with means and determination along with the ability to focus can accomplish things you wouldn't believe.

[Snackshack]

10. Schumer

Needs to get some backbone and intestinal fortitude and start making these votes happen. I think the lives of kids are more import then the filibuster. Mr. Schumer end the filibuster, it will save lives

[wnylib]

38. Just how is Schumer going to

single-handedly force Manchin and Sinema to end the filibuster?

[dchill]

11. Just spitballing here...

...what about spitballs? In fatal quantities, of course?

Think about what you'll unleash!

[GoCubsGo]

13. I can't imagine too many "ways" that would require DNA to tell the victims apart,

because they're so badly mutilated, and there are so many of them.

[NJCher]

17. could I make a suggestion?

for your subject headings? Something about the message, such as "Let's force mass murderers to be creative."

'Cuz finding something on FB isn't really germane to the content. However, something from the message is.

Anyway, thoughtful point and thanks for posting it.

[Joinfortmill]

35. 👍