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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat?! A parent DID make it inside Robb Elementary after having been briefly HANDCUFFED
https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161WTF is wrong with this country?!
The cops were engaging parents MORE than they were trying to get to the shooter!
Mosby
(16,319 posts)No one can read it.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Maraya1969
(22,483 posts)There is an archive thingy where you just stick the URL in there and you can read everything
Maybe someone will post it
Edit- see post 8
Roland99
(53,342 posts)On chrome, click the 'X' before the page finishes loading. Sometimes have to go into Incognito mode and try the URL there
The police were doing nothing, said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary School, where her children are in second and third grade. They were just standing outside the fence. They werent going in there or running anywhere.
State officials have said that local police were at the school within a few minutes of the gunman entering the building and exchanged gunfire with him, but they were unable to gain access to a classroom where he barricaded himself, firing on officers.
Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, said that she was one of numerous parents who began encouragingfirst politely, and then with more urgencypolice and other law enforcement to enter the school. After a few minutes, she said, federal marshals approached her and put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)Only now on TV are the cops admitting their story wasn't exactly right (supposedly because they are still collecting information). It's Texas and they're cops and their first reaction is control the narrative. All cops are heroes. They never make mistakes. They don't know how that original misinformation got out.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)Last edited Fri May 27, 2022, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)
Or, would that have harmed the kids?
Maybe some other diversion, like shooting in another direction to draw his attention away from the kids.
I think it is possible that, when cops got shot and could not get into the classroom, they realized that they could only protect the rest of the kids by containing him. It's also possible, I guess, that when they held the parents back, it was to protect them from being shot inside, too.
Firemen restrain people from going back inside a burning building to retrieve an item or even to try to save a person or pet. Perhaps the Uvalde police were operating on that principle of preventing even further loss of life.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)That is assuming the killer did not have a gas mask.
Swede
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intheflow
(28,477 posts)web site to archive pages, via the Wayback Machine. Good to have both sources; if its not at one, it might be at the other.
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tblue37
(65,408 posts)but it did let me read them once I signed up for a free "account."
rickford66
(5,524 posts)That's how they identify you and track the number of your visits.
Mosby
(16,319 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Teachers, nurses, public heath workers, election workers, Dem leaders, etc etc.
The guilty and wrong doers have no consequences and get rewarded.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)They like the negative world wide horrific portrayal of America as a dark, forbidding place and not the beacon of freedom.
Irish_Dem
(47,131 posts)Only a dictatorship can successfully rule.
It is the attempt to turn the tide of global power to Russia and China.
Then the GOP can get it all, permanent US power, all US assets.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)No wonder CRT terrifies them.
Dave says
(4,618 posts)What a tragedy, amplified by the misguided cowardice of the LEOs on the scene. Extremely tragic and sad.
elleng
(130,974 posts)SOME places are not.
llashram
(6,265 posts)Last edited Thu May 26, 2022, 04:23 PM - Edit history (1)
no other reason for their non-responsiveness... An unarmed mom could save her 2 kids, lead them to safety but cops couldn't save any of the dead or wounded. Stood around for an hour with that Ramos kid slowly massacring innocent children.
Probatim
(2,529 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)with the heights, republikkkan hypocrisy has reached since 2016. Lies, lies, lies swirl around this massacre from so-called leaders. Republikkkan all.
wnylib
(21,487 posts)OTOH, the mother's kids were in a different classroom than the shooter and his victims. Nobody could get into the room where the shooter was without being shot up.
llashram
(6,265 posts)Last edited Fri May 27, 2022, 11:29 AM - Edit history (1)
mom got her kids from another classroom. Why couldn't LEOs do the same and slowly, as officers are trained to do? Move toward the classroom where the shooting was happening and neutralize the threat. Yet they stood around for over an hour doing nothing? While brave momma got in and out safely.
Nay
(12,051 posts)the windows, if necessary. That's what some parents did.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)It was ALL HATS and no BALLS. Fuck each one of you. A cowboy hat does not make you a man, as you think. All those parents beggin to run in to save their kids. That is courage, and bravery, no Cowboy hat needed to show their balls.
ancianita
(36,095 posts)Novara
(5,843 posts)Every single one of those cops should be fired.
Dukkha
(7,341 posts)about the ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ no responders and their woeful incompetence in doing nothing to stop the active shooter. Texas gets a giant F for FUCK YOU in their corruption and always putting right wing ideology before common sense.
3825-87867
(851 posts)or Last Responders once all was safe?
Perfect description of the cowards in Texas.
If the cops feared for their lives, they should have shot him...oh, wait...he had guns!
The sad part is they will rationalize and justify it to themselves so they can live with their cowardice!
mainer
(12,022 posts)The cops are useless.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)For that matter, how did the shooter get in? It's starting to look like there was an unlocked door somewhere.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)Around here we can't get into our local school without getting buzzed in by the administrative assistant. There is an intercom outside where you press a button so we can identify ourselves and tell her why we want in.
As is usually the case, there is confusion about what went on and when. Here is an article about what we know so far about the timeline. So far it looks like the resource officer tried to engage him before he got in, but the killer was able to enter the school anyway. I am trying to avoid jumping to conclusions, but sometimes it's hard.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)No doubt about it, somebody's trying to hide something.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)there is NO excuse at this point
summer_in_TX
(2,739 posts)the officer said there was no school resource officer and no engagement when the shooter entered the building.
It was a very odd press conference. Cut off abruptly.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)It was strange but the truth is coming out.
They have not been handling this well. Now they have no credibility.
summer_in_TX
(2,739 posts)An outside agency may have to be appointed to investigate it.
Nay
(12,051 posts)who engaged the shooter before he went into the school. That was one lie they have already retracted because there were too many witnesses.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)Maybe that was a common practice there, I don't know. That teacher and the principal should be held accountable.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)I don't think there are usually supposed to be unlocked doors in a school. And if that was the case, how did she know about it? And the killer, how did he know that particular door was unlocked?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)LeftInTX
(25,380 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)This does not lend credulence to the theory of keeping parents away in a time of crisis like this.
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uponit7771
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Snackshack
(2,541 posts)If this turns out to be every bit as bad as it looks then OMG.
If true that one parent was detained then let go, walked around to other side of the school, climbed a fence, went into the school, got her 2 children and then left
and all this time the cops are standing around out front and the shooter was shooting victims
I really hope this turns out not to be correct.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)Worthless pigs.
Rebl2
(13,523 posts)as if the police were totally unprepared for a situation like this. I hope my small town is more prepared than this one.
slightlv
(2,823 posts)terrorize the children for nothing, it sounds like, with these drills... cause the adults sure don't learn anything from them. I read the teachers gathered as many kids behind them and sacrificed themselves.
All these school shootings are heart rending. This one I just can't get over, tho... why? Why is this one hitting me so much harder? Is it because I used to live in TX when it was blue and I loved it back then? Is it just because it's the proverbial "one step farther" than I can stand with everything else going on? I feel like I'm losing my mind.
Kudos to the mother who got her kids out. I'd have been that mother; nothing would have stopped me from getting Susie out of that situation. But, being a mother, and knowing I'd have left a classroom of kids behind while rescuing my own, I don't know how I'd live with that for the rest of my life. I fear for that mother's mental health. I hope she gets help. I know she's relieved to have her kids with her and alive; but deep within her, I fear she's got a lot festering that's gotta come out, too. I hope she gets some professional help to talk it out.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Its sounding more like they got worst responders.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Why am I not surprised?
moonshinegnomie
(2,454 posts)then life in prison or the needle.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)From their point of view: "I am not going to get killed just for some wetbacks". If it was the white church run school, it would have never happened. Why was the Border Patrol the ones to go in blazing?
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)LeftInTX
(25,380 posts)She talked to someone who got the cuffs removed. Off she went!
Roland99
(53,342 posts) Ms. Gomez convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free.
spanone
(135,844 posts)Angeli Rose Gomez, a farm supervisor working nearby who has children in second and third grade at Robb, told the Journal that she drove 40 miles to the school when she heard about the shooting, only to see an apparent lack of response from law enforcement as the gunman barricaded himself in a classroom.
"The police were doing nothing," Gomez told The Journal. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."
Chilling reports have emerged of parents pushing past law enforcement to rescue their children by any means, their efforts growing increasingly dire as the gunman remained in the school. Law enforcement officials have given conflicting accounts of what was happening during the 40 minutes the gunman was inside as groups of police remained outside.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mother-handcuffed-outside-texas-school-202952406.html
intheflow
(28,477 posts)After many quotes about local police inaction, they write
Danny Ruiz, whose great-niece died in the attack, said he arrived at the school after hearing gunfire and felt grateful for the police response.
The Border Patrol agent who took him out, to me, that guy is a hero, said Mr. Ruiz, 51.
Border Patrol arrived an hour after the first 911 call and finished what the local cops didnt even start.