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Nevilledog

(51,120 posts)
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:01 PM May 2022

NEW Texas DPS now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school



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Saagar Enjeti
@esaagar
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May 26, 2022
Texas DPS now not only now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school but also confirms that officers "fell back" for "cover" upon initial contact and requested tactical backup for before making any other attempt 1 hour later

Saagar Enjeti
@esaagar
Spox also clearly combative with reporters and covering up information. Really disgusting

Greg Price
@greg_price11
Texas DPS official refuses to say why officers didn't breach the door of the classroom for the hour that the Uvalde shooter was in there shooting children.
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NEW Texas DPS now says that Ramos was NOT confronted once before walking into the school (Original Post) Nevilledog May 2022 OP
Curiouser and curiouser greenjar_01 May 2022 #1
Pack of liars, but they all got cool hats tho. Wingus Dingus May 2022 #2
yep. nt BootinUp May 2022 #12
I was born and raised there, but haven't lived there since I was twelve or so. Aristus May 2022 #28
My husband had to go there for work, often-- Wingus Dingus May 2022 #32
I always wondered about this even before the videos came out. halfulglas May 2022 #3
Maybe that red flag operation theory that Alex Jones was shopping around earlier this week... Thomas Hurt May 2022 #4
Not that the police officers didn't do wrong but you know who's absolutely loving JoanofArgh May 2022 #5
They shouldn't. Aristus May 2022 #31
is that true? RussBLib May 2022 #43
This is turning into a real FUBAR shitshow lapfog_1 May 2022 #6
Trade school (pardon me "THE ACADEMY" with trumpets blaring and flags unfurling) rsdsharp May 2022 #7
Negligent Homicide! Roland99 May 2022 #8
They had to inthewind21 May 2022 #9
I've seen no such video.... Where? Nevilledog May 2022 #18
Here. Hope it works. AngryOldDem May 2022 #21
That certainly seems to show no engagement, but wish we could see the door he entered. Nevilledog May 2022 #22
The door should have been locked. AngryOldDem May 2022 #26
Just saw this too Nevilledog May 2022 #29
And thanks for the clip.... Worked perfectly! Nevilledog May 2022 #23
I don't believe a thing that the DPS say and if they assign the Texas Rangers certainly nothing - walkingman May 2022 #10
They supposedly had a SWAT team in town. haele May 2022 #11
... Nevilledog May 2022 #30
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Texas is such a lost piece of shit UpInArms May 2022 #13
I live in Austin and couldn't agree with you more. nt Javaman May 2022 #14
I left Texas in 1992 UpInArms May 2022 #15
All hat, no cattle as they say. AngryOldDem May 2022 #20
Hmmm Sunsky May 2022 #16
The spokesfolk was wrong. Igel May 2022 #41
I don't know who is wrong at this point Sunsky May 2022 #42
I hate to disparage any state TheRealNorth May 2022 #17
I live in NC . Same damn situation. I feel your pain. JoanofArgh May 2022 #25
These cowardly liars need to be held accountable. AngryOldDem May 2022 #19
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It kinda does seem like the police are now fully engaged in damage control.... TheRealNorth May 2022 #27
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I certainly hope so Novara May 2022 #35
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After Sandy Hook I wrote to the fire department ... Novara May 2022 #39
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So there are discrepancies in their stories. Mr.Bill May 2022 #38

Wingus Dingus

(8,054 posts)
2. Pack of liars, but they all got cool hats tho.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:06 PM
May 2022

Texas seems like such a garbage state. Sorry to all the Dems that live there.

Aristus

(66,385 posts)
28. I was born and raised there, but haven't lived there since I was twelve or so.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:26 PM
May 2022

Fire away. Texas IS a garbage state.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
3. I always wondered about this even before the videos came out.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:07 PM
May 2022

If he was confronted, why was no one hurt (or killed). It was all BS trying to start a false narrative for the fact that all those police who were supposed to be protecting the kids (good guy with a gun) did NOTHING. I'm glad some of the original narrative is being corrected but I'm still furious they even tried. What good were they? Acted worse than Keystone cops because they actively threatened and retrained parents. Every one of those officers at the scene before the Border Patrol got there should be fired.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. Maybe that red flag operation theory that Alex Jones was shopping around earlier this week...
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:08 PM
May 2022

was a red flag just not the "libs'" operation.

More fearmongering for the christofascists to try to leverage.

JoanofArgh

(14,971 posts)
5. Not that the police officers didn't do wrong but you know who's absolutely loving
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:10 PM
May 2022

the fact that the police are getting blamed for this? The GOP . Especially the Texas ones. It distracts everybody from the real cause. of this mass shooting .

Aristus

(66,385 posts)
31. They shouldn't.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:30 PM
May 2022

It just goes against their narrative that the 'good guys' need to have guns in order to protect against the 'bad guys'.

The bad guy with a gun took himself out with his own gun, but only after he committed his horrific murders.

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
43. is that true?
Fri May 27, 2022, 09:02 AM
May 2022

the bad guy, Ramos, took himself out with his own gun? I thought I heard police finally broke in and shot him.

rsdsharp

(9,186 posts)
7. Trade school (pardon me "THE ACADEMY" with trumpets blaring and flags unfurling)
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:11 PM
May 2022

teaches them from the first day that there is nothing, absolutely nothing, more important than officer safety. Not civil rights, not actually knowing the law, and certainly not “civilian” safety.

Of course the heroes fell back, and waited.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
9. They had to
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:12 PM
May 2022

The scool has CCTV. There is video all over the news. He was allowed in with no resistance.

Nevilledog

(51,120 posts)
22. That certainly seems to show no engagement, but wish we could see the door he entered.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:55 PM
May 2022

I know they're going to deflect and say it was the school at fault here.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
26. The door should have been locked.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:20 PM
May 2022

But perhaps that was not their protocol, given the small town. I’ve always assumed that outside doors were locked during school hours everywhere. Just common sense. Looks like it was a side door, probably leading to the playground.

They may try to deflect, but it won’t last long the way this is unfolding. Cops just stood around and listened to the shots. The town may well be a modern-day Mayberry, but nothing excuses this nonresponse.

You know, something struck me as being very off on Tuesday when they were giving their press updates. Very defensive and evasive, curcumstances aside. Now I know why.

Glad the clip worked. CNN was showing it early this morning when the narrative started to fall apart.

Feckless cowards.

walkingman

(7,627 posts)
10. I don't believe a thing that the DPS say and if they assign the Texas Rangers certainly nothing -
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:20 PM
May 2022

they have lied and lied thru the years about all kinds of incidents. They have about as much credibility as Abbott and Company.

haele

(12,660 posts)
11. They supposedly had a SWAT team in town.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:22 PM
May 2022

Even if they didn't, even if that "Mayor" and the local PD were living high off taxpayer money, they still had all that Army Surplus tactical gear that could have protected those cosplayers pretending to be "Warrior Cops" as they went in to get the murderer.
Didn't the local cops train for mass shootings - or even sit down for a school shooting reaction lecture refresher training between shift change? If the school has to have active shooter drills, the local cops should also be involved, right?
Of course, I live in a blue city, so that's what happens here -and all the police have a good idea of the floorplans of each public school (and some private schools) in the area, so they know how to go in and do their fucking jobs.
38 people shot.
There could have been far fewer shots fired if the local police followed available training and did their jobs.

Haele

Nevilledog

(51,120 posts)
30. ...
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:29 PM
May 2022


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Radley Balko
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Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

Dr. Thrasher
@thrasherxy
I found the Facebook page of the Uvalde Police Department. It is very interesting and does not conjure a feeling of safety or wellness. https://facebook.com/uvaldepd/photos/a.984027511630606/2986614501371887/?_rdr
10 S.WA.T. members, in blue, holding machine guns
9:23 PM · May 25, 2022

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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
15. I left Texas in 1992
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:38 PM
May 2022

Amarillo, Dallas, Austin and a half dozen other smaller towns in my 20+ years there …

I may live in another shithole state (Missouri), but Texas has definitely lost its mooring

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
16. Hmmm
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:40 PM
May 2022

The media didn't report this from unnamed sources, a spokesman for the police reported that the gunman was confronted before entering the building. He gave us a whole scenario. Something isn't adding up here.

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
42. I don't know who is wrong at this point
Fri May 27, 2022, 08:59 AM
May 2022

I don't know where the truth lies. There was an elaborate story told by multiple sources including the governor and now we are being told that it did not happen. They have lost all credibility IMO. We need outside people to come in a investigate. I am in agreement with the feds stepping in. As if the families were traumatized enough.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
17. I hate to disparage any state
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:42 PM
May 2022

But the Republican virus can do that. Just look at what they did to my home state of WI in the past 12 years. And WI is stuck with a Republican legislature despite a pretty even split of Dem/Rep voters because it has been securely gerrymandered.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
19. These cowardly liars need to be held accountable.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:46 PM
May 2022

Officers “fell back” for “cover” while an unarmed teacher was inside, trying to shield her students from certain death.

Motherfucking bastards. Get angry all you want, Spox; you still have a lot of explaining to do.

My God. It just keeps getting worse.

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TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
27. It kinda does seem like the police are now fully engaged in damage control....
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:24 PM
May 2022

And "cover your ass".

They are saying little until they can all get their stories straight and fit it within what is currently known.

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Novara

(5,843 posts)
35. I certainly hope so
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:41 PM
May 2022

The entire police department needs to be replaced.

I heard the town has a SWAT team, yet they waited for an hour for Border Patrol to arrive? How many little children were bleeding to death while they were HANDCUFFING PARENTS? Yes, they handcuffed one of the parents. While their children were bleeding to death. While they could hear gunshots.

I can't even. This level of incompetence is pure evil.

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Novara

(5,843 posts)
39. After Sandy Hook I wrote to the fire department ...
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:53 PM
May 2022

... with condolences and support. What they had to witness was unfathomable and I wanted them to know that a nobody out there somewhere felt a great deal of empathy for what they were going through. The fire chief wrote back with thanks, which I wasn't expecting, but I was glad, because I then knew he passed it on to his department. Those people, having to deal with that, deserved to know that people were supporting them. That had to be the hardest thing they faced on the job.

This time, was the fire department even called?

Or is this a complete and total clusterfuck by what passes for law enforcement in that town?

Response to Novara (Reply #39)

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