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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPolice slow to engage with gunman because 'they could've been shot,' official says
This is their job. Children died because the police was to scared to go in. If an 18 year old can out gun the police, then we need to keep weapons of war from school shooters.
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Police were reluctant to immediately engage with the gunman who spent an hour inside the elementary school in Uvalde, Tex., where he killed 19 children and two adults because they couldve been shot, a lieutenant with the Texas Department of Public Safety said in a CNN interview.
Law enforcement officers have faced mounting criticism from some parents who say police could have intervened sooner against 18-year-old Salvador Ramos in an effort from officers that was initially deemed by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) as a quick response. Police who arrived at the school retreated as shots rang out, state authorities said Thursday, and it took an hour before a tactical unit led by federal Border Patrol agents went into a classroom and killed the gunman.
Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Lt. Chris Olivarez defended the response in an interview Thursday with CNNs Wolf Blitzer, who asked the lieutenant to walk him through what exactly law enforcement was doing for 60 minutes or so while the shooter remained in that classroom killing those kids and teachers?....
Standard law enforcement guidance since the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado says officers should pursue shooters inside buildings without waiting for specialized backup. Since Columbine, many police departments have trained officers to go after an attacker as soon as possible, to minimize the number of teachers and children shot.,,,,
Its like a fireman not going into a building because they might get burned, Dean wrote.
Law enforcement officers have faced mounting criticism from some parents who say police could have intervened sooner against 18-year-old Salvador Ramos in an effort from officers that was initially deemed by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) as a quick response. Police who arrived at the school retreated as shots rang out, state authorities said Thursday, and it took an hour before a tactical unit led by federal Border Patrol agents went into a classroom and killed the gunman.
Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Lt. Chris Olivarez defended the response in an interview Thursday with CNNs Wolf Blitzer, who asked the lieutenant to walk him through what exactly law enforcement was doing for 60 minutes or so while the shooter remained in that classroom killing those kids and teachers?....
Standard law enforcement guidance since the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado says officers should pursue shooters inside buildings without waiting for specialized backup. Since Columbine, many police departments have trained officers to go after an attacker as soon as possible, to minimize the number of teachers and children shot.,,,,
Its like a fireman not going into a building because they might get burned, Dean wrote.
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Police slow to engage with gunman because 'they could've been shot,' official says (Original Post)
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2022
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Police protocol: when the situation is too dangerous to intervene, let 2nd graders handle it.
Irish_Dem
May 2022
#2
Nothing says ban assault rifles like cops being scared of the shooter who has one.
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2022
#5
TroubleMan
(4,859 posts)1. Now if only firefighters could use the same excuse.
I can't run into that burning building! I might get burnt!
Irish_Dem
(47,482 posts)2. Police protocol: when the situation is too dangerous to intervene, let 2nd graders handle it.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,631 posts)3. For this thread
Mariana
(14,861 posts)4. Blue Lives Scatter.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,631 posts)5. Nothing says ban assault rifles like cops being scared of the shooter who has one.
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)6. Certainly puts to rest the fantasy some have...
of wanting the cops to go door to door to take AR-15s from gun owners.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,631 posts)7. For this thread
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,631 posts)8. Parents in Uvalde had good reason to expect police to do more
We need a full investigation. The parents of these children have every right to be upset at how this matter was handled
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Its hard to imagine a more righteous anger than that of the parents being kept at a distance from Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Tex., on Tuesday. A gunman was inside the building with their children while police were outside, holding them back. Any parent can explain the often-irrational anguish that comes from being unwillingly separated from their children. That the immediate barrier between these parents and their kids were police, the people entrusted to keep these kids safe, must have been fully enraging.
Whats still not entirely clear is the extent to which that anger was justified. There were police outside, managing the crowd, but there also appear to have been police inside the school. Parents were furious that the police outside werent acting to protect their families, but they couldnt see what was happening within the schools walls.
We can say with some confidence that the police outside the building may not have been communicating with those parents clearly, given the way the public story about law enforcements response has evolved since the massacre took place. We can also say with some confidence that the response did not reflect the expectations that residents of Uvalde probably had for their police force.....
We cant gloss over Olivarezs other point, though, that officers were wary of moving forward out of the risk of being shot. We should apply the same caution to his presentation of the officers state of mind as we should to any other secondhand commentary. But if that is true, its a remarkable deviation from what the public has been taught to expect from law enforcement......
So those parents were there, outside of the school with the police, while their kids were inside with the shooter. They expected more police to rush in; some parents even floated with the idea of running in themselves. One mother did, according to the Wall Street Journal: After being detained by police, she found an unguarded area and sneaked into the building to take her kids out. But what the parents saw was caution they found inexplicable. What an official told Wolf Blitzer is that caution was the watchword within the schools walls, as well.
Whats still not entirely clear is the extent to which that anger was justified. There were police outside, managing the crowd, but there also appear to have been police inside the school. Parents were furious that the police outside werent acting to protect their families, but they couldnt see what was happening within the schools walls.
We can say with some confidence that the police outside the building may not have been communicating with those parents clearly, given the way the public story about law enforcements response has evolved since the massacre took place. We can also say with some confidence that the response did not reflect the expectations that residents of Uvalde probably had for their police force.....
We cant gloss over Olivarezs other point, though, that officers were wary of moving forward out of the risk of being shot. We should apply the same caution to his presentation of the officers state of mind as we should to any other secondhand commentary. But if that is true, its a remarkable deviation from what the public has been taught to expect from law enforcement......
So those parents were there, outside of the school with the police, while their kids were inside with the shooter. They expected more police to rush in; some parents even floated with the idea of running in themselves. One mother did, according to the Wall Street Journal: After being detained by police, she found an unguarded area and sneaked into the building to take her kids out. But what the parents saw was caution they found inexplicable. What an official told Wolf Blitzer is that caution was the watchword within the schools walls, as well.