Gas appliances would be banned in new homes under ordinance considered by LA City Council

[IcyPeas]

Is this being proposed anywhere else? I like my gas stove. And isn't electricity more expensive?

LOS ANGELES (CNS) -- The Los Angeles City Council voted Friday to have multiple city departments develop a plan for the implementation of a proposed ordinance that would require all new construction of buildings in Los Angeles to be zero-carbon.

Buildings in Los Angeles account for 43% of the city's greenhouse gas emissions, more than any other sector, according to Councilwoman Nithya Raman, who is leading the effort.

Under her proposal, new zero-emission construction would not allow gas lines, with heating systems and other appliances instead being by operated by electricity. Appliances in the buildings would also have to be energy efficient.

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https://abc7.com/zero-carbon-los-angeles-city-council-buildings/11904323/

[FoxNewsSucks]

1. Government can pry my gas stove

from my cold dead fingers!

[LoisB]

3. Yours and mine.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

9. Same here!

My wife loves having a gas stove to make her delicious dishes.

[Demovictory9]

4. switching requires an electrician. I did that once. new elec Stove and dryer

electrician adding those big giant sockets and new switches in the electrical box. for a few hundred dollars.

Off topic kinda,... just in case anyone is wondering

[Demsrule86]

19. Electric stoves suck. I love my gas stove.

[Mopar151]

2. Going pilotless on new gas appliances would do it!

Something like half of LP gas consumption is actually pilot lights! Replacing gas heat, with any electrical heat that comes from "carbon-y" sources, would actually be a net gain in Co-2 emissions.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Are they even manufacturing any gas appliances with pilot lights anymore?

All the newer ones that I have had/seen over the past 20 years have been electric ignition, so there's no "tiny pilot flame" going 24/7. Same principle seen in the propane bbq grills (turn the dial to the desired setting and push the button for the electric igniter to light the burners).

[IcyPeas]

8. Yes, my stove is electric ignition. However my HVAC unit still has a pilot light (it's old).

[BumRushDaShow]

14. I expect there may be a few furnaces out there with a pilot

I remember years ago when my mom finally had a new gas furnace put in (the old cast iron one was probably from when the house first got gas service - around the 1930s). The heating was hot water circulation (boiler) to cast iron radiators. The new one was about 1/3rd the size with an electric ignition. It was a shock for us to see something "so small" heat a 3-story, 5 bedroom house. And then to not see what was a "pilot" that was like a narrow strip of flame that burned at all times (and knowing how to re-light it if it went out).

[eleny]

21. Hot water heaters can have pilot lights

[Mopar151]

24. Or they can have a "hot zone igniter"

I worked on part of an automation line that made them - I think for Carborundum Corp. @least 25 years ago.

[Demsrule86]

20. My new does stove does not have a pilot light...

[MissB]

6. My gas range is currently being built

Back in Tennessee. Should be done in about 2 months. Dual fuel.

The previous one I bought - for my old house- is still going strong, 24 years later. It has pretty much zero electronics. Yeah, electric oven but no timer or Bluetooth anything.

I’m putting in a 900 CFM vent fan (external blower), so I’m not at all worried about what gas will do.

[dsc]

7. I think I read that NYC is doing this

[Agschmid]

22. Correct.

[MichMan]

10. How much does the regular use of A/C contribute to global warming?

Taking warm air out of the inside of millions of homes and businesses, and expelling the heat into the atmosphere can't be helpful for combating climate change.

[LeftInTX]

15. More than natural gas!

[hunter]

11. It's a reasonable proposal.

In California gas appliances create more air pollution than electric appliances.

In a mild climate like Los Angeles heat pump water heaters and furnaces have a smaller carbon footprint than gas appliances.

Modern inductive stovetops are very similar to gas stovetops in performance, nothing like old-style electrics, and cause much less indoor air pollution.

The sooner we quit fossil fuels the better.

My own children, thirty-something adults now, living on their own since they graduated from high school, look at gas stoves as weird obsolete technologies their parents and grandparents are inordinately fond of.

My great grandparents cooked everything on wood stoves.

[Grey]

12. I agree,

I used gas for 30 years and hated it, so hard to clean. I now have convetion and love it. I learned to cook on a wood stove, it was great and now I just wonder how much is ego driven. On the dyi shows you hear people say " No, I don't cook but I need to have a kitchen that look like I do".
Once you get used to the new glass top electric stoves there is no going back. And yes I'm old.

[Ex Lurker]

13. I lost power for 5 days during the ice storm of 2021

I had a gas water heater and stove. The temperature inside my house was in the thirties, but I could cook meals and take hot showers. It made an impossible situation tolerable. Make the electric grid as reliable as the gas distribution network and I'll listen. Otherwise, I'm keeping my gas appliances. I'll do other things to reduce my carbon footprint.

[hunter]

18. I posted a more detailed response in E&E

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127153308#post8

We need to quit natural gas now.

Improving the resilience of our electric grids ought to be another national priority.

We string power lines on poles in areas with trees and then we act surprised every time falling trees and limbs knock out the power in a storm.

There's no reason electric grids couldn't be as robust as gas lines.

[Sunsky]

16. Awesome

Since moving to Florida from California I've stopped using gas appliances and I wouldn't go back to any neighborhood with gas lines. Thank goodness because this is one of the factors impacting my move from South Florida. This proposal made my morning, hopefully, it will pass and we'll see more like this throughout the country.

[sir pball]

17. As a 27-year.culinary professional, electric is superior to gas.

Not the old-fashioned hot coil or "infrared" cooktops, those are absolutely revolting - I'm talking about induction cooktops.

They are as responsive as gas, turn them down and they cool off instantly. They can be more powerful, if you get a multi-kilowatt burner. They're far, FAR more efficient - something like 15% of the energy in gas goes into the pot, it's over 80% for induction. As a side effect of that, they don't heat up the room when you use them since there's no hot air billowing out from under the pot. And they have no point-of-use emissions!

The only downside is the absolutely obscene electric service requirements - the Miele KM6377 cooktop draws 11,500 watts, ninety-six amps at 120V. The average American house only has 100-amp service, for the whole building.

[Demsrule86]

23. I disagree...and you have to use special pans...I love my gas stove and will not switch.