60 Minutes tonight

[KS Toronado]

is doing a segment on the AR15 because of our latest School MASSACRE. I'm sure they're not going
to be encouraging people to go out and buy one, likely the opposite......Why do people need one?
Should be a must watch for 2A lovers.

When talking to others, please use the term "MASSACRE" instead of "shooting", that's more correct,
ask gun humpers when they think the next "WALMART MASSACRE" will happen.

[highplainsdem]

1. Thanks for the heads-up!

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. And I do NOT want to hear the "hunting" excuse.

I have heard experts say that when the bullet from one hits it's subject, it's like having a grenade go off in the body. If you are hunting to eat, you don't want that happening. If you are hunting people, I suppose you do, right?

[KS Toronado]

6. You're correct about the AR15's 5.56 round

Animal hunters would never use it because of meat loss, it's sole purpose is to kill people with 1 round.
My local online TV guide said they will be talking about the bullet.

[PTWB]

14. There are many types of bullets

With different construction methods, designs, and components — all for different intended applications.

A full metal jacket .223 / 5.56 will not explode on impact like a “grenade” going off. In fact, a full metal jacket will just pencil through an animal doing minimal damage and leading to a very slow, painful death, make tracking very difficult (blood trails are typically more pronounced with larger exit wounds), which means the animal would almost certainly not be recovered by the hunter and the meat would be wasted. Full metal jackets are common target rounds.

There are many different types of bullets constructed specifically for hunting. Some have lead cores, some are solid copper, but almost all of them are designed to balance expansion and penetration, in order to maximize the lethality and minimize meat damage. This includes .223 / 5.56 rounds fired by the AR.

The .223 / 5.56 is not typically used for deer hunting and I would not recommend it for such to novice hunters, though there are many backpackers who do use the .223 / 5.56 loaded with proper hunting grade ammunition and who are skilled enough to place their shot where they will secure a clean, ethical kill.

But the .223 / 5.56 is regularly used to ethically hunt small and medium sized game such varmints, coyotes, feral pigs, and even pronghorn. With the proper bullet construction and shot placement, it’s a perfectly adequate hunting round for those types of game.

The .223 / 5.56 is also a common chamber for many other types of rifles including bolt action, lever action, and even pump action rifles.

And ARs chambered in popular hunting cartridges, such as the .308 Winchester, are of course just as effective as their bolt action cousins chambered for the same round.

All this is to say that it’s misleading to try to paint the AR as a poor choice for hunting. There are certainly types of ammunition that could be used in the AR (or any other rifle type) which are inappropriate for hunting, but there are reliable and effective hunting ammunition options for the AR (or any other rifle type).


The type of .223 / 5.56 that would go off like a "grenade" is actually what you'd want to use for home defense ammunition to ensure that your bullet does not over penetrate into the rest of your house or your neighbor's house. That type of highly frangible ammunition is what responsible home defenders use to minimize the risk to innocent people they cannot see behind walls.

Unfortunately, other common home defense weapons, such as a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot or slugs, suffer from extreme over penetration and create undue risk to neighbors and household members. They should not be used or recommended by anyone for the purpose of home defense.

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. Ok, I will change my post to FUCK ALL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

Which include the AR-15. They should not be sold to the public...for ANY reason.

[PTWB]

18. They're certainly very lethal.

They're the weapon of choice for mass shooters based on their portability, lethality, accuracy, and ease of operation.

[Septua]

3. Why do people need one?

They don't.

[SergeStorms]

4. I've seen one before....

not sure if it was 60 Minutes or not.

It's very informative. There's absolutely NO reason for a private citizen to own one of those murder machines.

[Archae]

5. I handled one at a hardware store, in northern WI.

It's a piece of junk.

[Tommymac]

7. And remember, Guns DO kill people. Fuck all the obfuscation.

It is what the AR-15 is designed to do.

Guns Kill People.

/

[KS Toronado]

9. The next gun humper that tells me

"guns don't kill people, people kill people", I feel like yelling "what do people kill with? plastic water pistols"?
I know I won't yell, but I sure feel like it.

[Tommymac]

12. I'll yell. Have no doubt.

David Hogg is organizing a big march for sane gun laws on June 11 too - I'm working, but I'll be there chanting my ass off in spirit.

Btw I am still crying off and on all day. This one really hurt.

[Skittles]

19. a three year old shoots his two year old brother

IT'S THE GUN THAT KILLS

[dawn5651]

8. i am using the word slaughter because that is what is

because that is what happened

[KS Toronado]

11. Slaughter is fine also

any term that suggests dead people, "shooting" leaves the outcome up in the air.

[spanone]

10. THANKS!!!!

[FakeNoose]

13. Start doxing everyone who buys an assault rifle - EVERYONE

Let their names, addresses and telephone numbers be published for everyone to see. Even better, publish their email addresses too. Who says they are entitled to privacy? These fuckers just bought an assault rifle for fuck's sake. If it's my neighbor, I sure as hell want to know about it.

[IcyPeas]

15. There are already 20 MILLION AR-15s in circulation in the USA.

you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube as they say.

The United States has over 20 million AR-15-style rifles legally in circulation, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a national trade association for the firearm industry. That accounts for a small percentage of the roughly 400 million guns in the country -- but the popularity of AR-15-style rifles has been growing "exponentially" ever since the federal assault weapons ban expired in 2004, said Mark Oliva, the NSSF's public affairs director.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/inside-rise-ar-15-style-rifles-america/story?id=78842406

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. It could be illegal to own one.

That would be a good start. Yes, I know it will not happen because we are a fucked up country, but it is what SHOULD happen.