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PortTack

(32,778 posts)
1. That's what their propanga state TV says.They know it's a lie.
Sun May 29, 2022, 08:39 PM
May 2022

Especially when President Zelensky has said otherwise..and President Biden saying it’s up to the Ukrainians whether they cede any land. 85+% of Ukrainians say cede no land!

And, the advance by the russians in Donbas has all but stopped. UKR forces have taken back some land in the SSE area of Papasnia and have started a counter offensive in the Kherson oblast. The tide is turning again in favor of the Ukrainians

Igel

(35,320 posts)
5. And yet if some countries continue to argue that Ukraine should settle for peace
Sun May 29, 2022, 11:05 PM
May 2022

over territorial integrity, it just takes one utterance to shatter Western unity: "I'm Vladimir Putin, and I propose a ceasefire and armistice at the current lines of contact."

Those who want peace for land will immediately stop shipping arms, and will continue shipping additional arms encouraging war and militancy when, well, "Think of the peace!"

And if relaxing of sanctions is part of the Russian demands, the Western leaders at issue will likely say, "Sure." They have vested interests of one kind or another in trading with Russia, dealing with Russia, not being too beholden to the US.

Zelens'kyy wants all of Ukraine back; but he's also said that it would cost way too many lives to take it all back militarily. (That's assuming the Russian military doesn't crumble; these things have been known to happen, but you don't bank on it.)

PortTack

(32,778 posts)
8. For the 3 countries that are pushing for this, there are 37 NATO countries and several other
Mon May 30, 2022, 10:48 AM
May 2022

Countries formed in a coalition against Russia that do not feel that way.

Most know that if President Zelensky settles pootie will be back in a few years with a bigger stronger meaner army and they could be next. America would not benefit from this and the real experts know this. The policy of America right now is to weaken russia militarily enough that they won’t be able to even think about this nonsense again for some time to come.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
4. NYT editorial board.
Sun May 29, 2022, 09:46 PM
May 2022

I'm disgusted by anyone who feeds into that appeasement narrative. As if the Russians deserve some kind of prize for engaging in aggression.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Awfully free and easy with other countries' sovereignty, aren't they?
Sun May 29, 2022, 11:30 PM
May 2022

Looking to award Russia a participation trophy in the Land Grabbers' Hall of Fame.

I will say, though, that once Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory (tail between their legs), the amount of aid and assistance to help Ukraine rebuild will be staggering. Everyone's going to want to rub Putin's nose in his humiliation.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
9. Yeah, well, it worked so well with Hitler...
Mon May 30, 2022, 10:50 AM
May 2022

who at one time declared he had no further territorial demands in Europe, and then proceeded to overrun most of it.

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