Pope Francis sends 'powerful message' by elevating liberal Bishop over Archbishop who banned Pelosi

[no_hypocrisy]

from communion

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Not only did Cordileone, a right-wing activist who has refused to be vaccinated against COVID-19, ban Speaker Pelosi from taking communion, he did so extremely publicly. Cordileone went as far as to post his letter to Pelosi on Twitter, calling her stance on abortion a “most serious scandal,” and a “grave evil.” He then appeared on EWTN, a Catholic news cable network to defend his decision, and even posted that interview on social media. Seven days after his very public rebuke of Pelosi, he again chastised her on Twitter, writing that she "has strong opinions on what the Church teaches but she is wrong. And that is part of why I had to act."

Pope Francis has made clear no one should be banned from communion, certainly not for political reasons.

https://www.rawstory.com/pope-francis-sends-powerful-message-by-elevating-liberal-bishop-over-archbishop-who-banned-pelosi-from-communion/

[Baitball Blogger]

1. Kick!

[Hekate]

2. I love it. It's a big jump from Bishop to Cardinal, and the Bishop of San Diego just pole-vaulted ...

…over the head of Archbishop Cordileone.

[SkylineChili]

3. yes! Amazing appointment

The elevation of Bishop McElroy of San Diego to Cardinal was probably in the works prior to the Pelosi/Cordileone situation, because these things take time, but it clearly signals Francis' mindset. The fact that Cordileone shot his mouth off just prior to this announcement is simply a sweet icing to the wonderful cake.

This is a surprising, even shocking, appointment for those who follow these things. Delightful news for the more progressives among Catholics, and one more reason to consign Francis to the ranks of heretic for the rad trads. Bishop McElroy was so far off the radar screen as to be virtually invisible in the Cardinal sweepstakes. McElroy is a Bishop, outranked by many Archbishops and powerful USCCB leaders and AB's of major dioceses who were thought of to be on the "Cardinal" track. He is a progressive who does not believe in politicizing the sacraments. He is a pastoral shepherd who is concerned for issues of poverty, inclusion, and justice. He is the only American named in this round, so it is a huge, huge statement. Pope Francis himself has noted several times in public interviews, that he has never refused Eucharist to anyone.

For those who hope the Church returns to it's social justice, biblical hospitality, pastoral care roots, this is welcome news, indeed.

[wryter2000]

4. Wonderful news

It's especially irksome that Cordileone is in the San Francisco Bay Area. I hope this teaches him a lesson, and if that doesn't happen, it'll really piss him off. He pissed us off majorly by being behind that awful Proposition H8. How much money did he cost the church with that failed abomination?

[SkylineChili]

5. link to article that discusses McElroy's perspective

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251402/what-to-know-about-bishop-robert-mcelroy-who-will-soon-be-a-cardinal

[cilla4progress]

6. Fucked up that politics

enters into.

Said the naive one!

[stopdiggin]

26. this is not U.S. politics

this is Church politics (which might not be utterly without connection and crossover) but are still fairly well removed. The American Church is powerful - but (besides being quite polarized and fragmented among themselves) they in no way 'drive' the Church itself.

[soldierant]

47. It is the intersection of church politics ans American politics.

It is unfortunate, but church ppolitics (and not just the Roman Catholic Church - in fact it's usually "Talibangelicals&quot frequently intersect with American politics, despite the First Amendment.

[stopdiggin]

49. I recognize that

and also that somebody other that the Church is currently doing a lot of the 'politicking' and driving the culture wars in this country. Where I would draw a distinction is that I think the 'message' sent here to this particular archbishop (and we have to accept the writer's 'interpretation" in order to read it so) - had a lot more to do with an affront given to the Pope - than it did to a particular American politician. As the editorial goes on, this is about using the sacrament as a bludgeon and a coercive measure - much more so than offending a segment of the American political landscape. (although the Pope probably isn't just real keen on that either)

[Escurumbele]

7. Cordileone should be sent to a very poor place on earth to acquire some humility

He should be placed where he cannot have access to TV or any other media. Do it for at least five years and he will become a better person, that is if gets back.

[geardaddy]

11. This!

[Rebl2]

12. 👆👆👆

[hunter]

14. There are a lot of horrible very conservative very poor places where Cordileone's poison...

... would be embraced -- places where the conservative Catholics are in direct competition with the right wing Evangelicals to see who can bring the most hate to the table, be it against non-Christian religions, homosexuals, or liberal Western Culture in general.

It would be better if Cordileone was stuffed away in a closet somewhere, removed from the general population.

[IcyPeas]

20. I'd like to check his bank account....

see if there are any large donations from pro life groups.

[UTUSN]

8. K&R

[mn9driver]

9. The sacrament of Eucharist is by its nature supposed to be freely available to anyone who wants it.

Most Christian denominations figured this out a while ago; the Catholic Church has been an outlier, continuing to put restrictions on who can receive it.

Francis gets it, but even with his power as Pope I don’t see him winning a long term victory over this kind of thinking. There are way too many entrenched bishops who like being able to exclude people for all sorts of reasons.

[orangecrush]

23. As we are seeing

The entrenched can be disentrenched.

[DenaliDemocrat]

34. Roman Catholics believe in transubstantiation

So it’s difficult for them. Protestants do not Anglican and Orthodox believe in something between ritual and real presence

[AllyCat]

10. Best Pope ever. Don't agree with a lot of what he says but

this was the right choice.

[renate]

43. Yep! He really is a good, sincere, humble, compassionate man

I can totally respect and admire people with differing views if those views are sincerely held and carefully considered and come from good motives. And Pope Francis has shown over and over again that he believes God is about love, not control or punishment.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

13. He should bust that bishop down to hermit-monk

Let him offer communion to a scorpion in some desert cave.

[orangecrush]

22. DUzy!

[highplainsdem]

15. Good for him!

[KS Toronado]

16. Mess with the Boss

and get the horns.

[panfluteman]

17. "This Pope Gives Me Hope!" The Best Pope Ever for Liberals and Progressives,

But Pope Francis seems to be the number one bogeyman for those on the right, both within the Catholic Church as well as outside of it. The previous Pope, Benedict, actually gave me the creeps; he headed up the same committee within the church hierarchy that was responsible for the "Holy" Inquisition back in the day. But it seems like he was the darling of the conservative right wing. And Benedict resigned amidst a flurry of scandals and coverups that may never fully see the light of day. It seems like increasing polarization, and even alienation, of conservatives versus liberals is not just something that we see here in the US - it appears to be worldwide.

[NullTuples]

28. The Best Pope Ever for Liberals and Progressives...except LGBTQ ones and...

people who don't want to be pregnant. If you notice, on those issues he still gives the American Bishops all the free rein they want. Nor has he made any significant changes on those issues.

[DenaliDemocrat]

35. There are many far right Catholics who openly

State they would prefer a monarchy with a devout Catholic and religious law ruling

[SharonAnn]

39. Yes, I live among them. They pray for the current pope to be replaced by a "god-fearing" pope.

[SharonAnn]

40. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Further change is needed but I believe it's coming.

[NBachers]

18. I finished reading Dan Brown's Angels and Demons 10 minutes before reading this news on DU.

Angels and Demons is about treachery and intrigue within the Vatican and the Papacy; I really enjoyed reading it. The feeling I was left with from completing the book has been elevated by this news.

[mcar]

19. Good for Pope Frankie

[orangecrush]

21. About time

To show the nutcase right wing bishops the door.

[towerbum]

24. why in the hell are they in politics to begin with ?

[BrightKnight]

30. If they are micromanaging politicians I have a list of other issues

that the Church should have a problem with.

[Blue Owl]

25. Oh he's sending a message alright

[Karma13612]

31. That's not real is it?

OMG!!!

It’s funny either way!!

And really creepy if it is real!

[GoCubsGo]

33. The close-up of the hands is not real, however, the rest is.

But, Trump is creepy, regardless. That grin on his face is nauseating.

[Karma13612]

37. Agree!

Thanks for the clarification!

What an embarrassment all around.

[BrightKnight]

27. The Bishop is pushing a lot of people away from the Church.

My personal views of abortion have changed with my faith.
There are many policies that the Church should have a problem with if they are going to wade into micromanaging politicians. Also, denying someone the Eucharist is very harsh.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

29. Glad to hear this.

But, seriously, do people really stay & read a page that jumps around like that one with all the obnoxious in-your-face ads?

[Karma13612]

38. I encounter this sort of reading experience

On Many sites because I’m not will to pay for subscriptions. These are sites where the news is accurate too. I’m not talking weird ones with Right-Wing crap.

The more disjointed the internet becomes, the more difficult it is to get good quality information given in an attention-holding manner.

Same as the advertising on TV. They purposely make advertising as intrusive as possible. We lose our train of thought, and it just contributes to attention deficit scatter-brain issues. I have been watching Bosch:Legacy which is on Freeve. It is ad based but done in a really cool manner. You are notified when an ad begins. It tells you how long it will be and how many there will be. So, I simply mute the TV so I don’t hear the crap. Then unmute when the ad(s) are finished. It’s the next best thing to ad-free as you are going to get.

Not sure if they still do, but years ago in the UK, they used to save the ads and show them all at once at the end of the shows. IIRC. Probably not like that anymore tho.

As I said, there are so many ways that we humans in the US are exposed to chaotic, thought-scrambling, mind-numbing input.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

48. Absolutely.

I honestly think TV & commercials are in many ways responsible for countless deficits in our society via subtle brainwashing intended, basically, to render us incapable of reasoning. Purposely "chaotic, thought-scrambling, mind-numbing input," indeed.

I only watch programs with no commercials or things I've recorded so I can ff through them. And even that sucks because you have to see some of the ads with their insulting-to-our-intelligence techniques. My partner & take turns handling that job.

[Karma13612]

50. Yes, I am very familiar with the FF

Feature on the remote. LOL! Probably wears out faster than all the other buttons!!

We also watch plenty of content via streaming that is ad free but subscription based. We watch less and less content on regular network television. It was mostly because the shows on the regular networks have not caught our interest. At the moment, there is only one ‘once-weekly’ show that I continue to watch. Just had the finale. Next season, Fall of ‘22, it is it’s final season, 13 episodes and it’s done. I just haven’t bothered to get into anything else. We like food channel, and PBS when we discover something educational.

There are very few corners of the telecom world where we can hide away from commercialism. I remember many years ago when FM radio was gaining in popularity. Back then, the ‘selling point’ for having FM stations was because they were to have fewer ads than AM. Yes, your listening experience was going to be all about the content of music.

Ahhh, we all know how that turned out!

[leftyladyfrommo]

32. And the real tragedy is that he and a whole lot

of other men actually believe this stuff.

Thete is no one more offensive than someone on their moral high horse.

[twodogsbarking]

36. They don't really have jobs. They just suck money from others.

[ificandream]

41. Pope Francis is the best thing about the Catholic Church these days.

Bless you, Your Holiness!!

[NQAS]

42. If the pope can catapult a bishop to a cardinal...

Can he demote or otherwise sideline that activist bishop?

[azureblue]

45. the usual thing

is a lateral move, to another parish, or sometimes to clerical duties.

[ificandream]

44. Your Holiness, how about excommunicating a few Repubs!

Actually, a lot of them. Too bad Trump's not a Catholic. (Supposedly a Presbyterian. Maybe someone in that church that help there.)

[BrightKnight]

46. Trump is a Christian in the way the Putin is a Christian.

He does not have a clue what it means but he finds it politically useful.