CNN just played audiotape that make it clear the police knew that kids

[malaise]

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We’re still trapped inside.
Monsters

[livetohike]

1. Cowards. This whole situation/storyline stinks. n/t

[NotHardly]

24. Anyone have a link we can actually use to get to this tweet... some of us do not belong to Twitter!

[Magoo48]

73. This slaughter and those coming before and after, as well as the abortion and border fiascos,

are why it’s so embarrassing and hypocritical when Americans try to preach human rights to any other nation.

We have decades of work to do before our official voice has any gravitas.

[Hiawatha Pete]

2. K&R for visibility

[wnylib]

3. They had to know that kids were

still trapped inside since the 911 calls were still coming in. The 911 operators would have been communicating the calls to the police.

Inept, incompetent leadership and cowardly subordinates.

[OMGWTF]

9. THEY. LET. THEM. BE. MURDERED.

I hope those pigs never have a nightmare-free sleep.

[wnylib]

10. Those cops, and especially their chief,

better hope that they never run into any of the parents in the future.

[Attilatheblond]

41. Re running into parents of the victims

Cannot fathom how those cops could avoid running into any of the parents in a town that small. Seems likely they will have to move just to keep far from the confrontations ahead.

If you've ever lived in a really small town, you understand. If not, it'll be hard to imagine.

Peace for Uvalde.

[gopiscrap]

64. welcome to DU

[Attilatheblond]

87. Thank you

Seems a well thought out site. Interesting to look around a bit. Had a friend who was here and told me about it.

[spooky3]

33. And LIARS who refuse to accept responsibility. Nt

[BlackSkimmer]

40. And the police are actually GUARDING that coward police chief's house.

It's really unbelievable.

[Midwestern Democrat]

90. I have no sympathy for this police chief but guarding his house might actually be necessary.

I fully expect him to be fired very shortly - because of legalities and due process, they may have to formally conclude an investigative inquiry and document their findings in a formal report before taking this action.

[liberalhistorian]

36. Well hey now,

there were no unarmed BLM protestors or anyone in possession of tiny amounts of the devil's weed, so they had no idea what to do and didn't care. Cut them some slack, geez!!

[Probatim]

42. Wasn't like they had a no-knock warrant for a middle of the night raid.

[yardwork]

61. I keep thinking about that.

It's almost as of cops who break down doors in the middle of the night actually know that nobody inside is a threat?

Are the cops afraid of the people they're supposed to serve and protect?

[Probatim]

63. The meme about cops knowing how deadly an AR is is mostly likely true.

It seems like they're only going to protect and serve themselves.

[Pyryck]

72. Of course they know how deadly an AR is, but unless it's aimed at them...

Not "seems like", it is factual and legal as LEO's "have no legal duty to protect an individual life". Google it, read it...and weep as I did.

LEO having a moral obligation to defend the innocents, yes, I would agree with that.

LEO having a legal obligation or duty to defend the innocents...well, the Supreme Court put that argument to bed years ago.

[brush]

48. No antifa either. Whaddya want from cops?

[erronis]

68. They're still working on that storyline. There'll be a scrap of paper that proves BLM

was there. "Planting the evidence."

[LeftInTX]

4. Here

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/05/30/dispatch-audio-uvalde-school-shooting-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

[malaise]

19. Thanks

What a mess

[mobeau69]

5. The Chief's finished. Bunch of fucking small town cops

in no way equipped or prepared for the inevitable havoc wrought by Abbott, Cruz and the other ass holes that couldn’t care less about the children.

Outlaw the fucking ARs and be done with it. That’s where we start.

[ShazzieB]

15. He'd better be finished.

Fired and then ridden out of town on a rail is what should happen to him.

[sop]

26. He was elected to the City Council.

Supposed to be sworn in today, postponed due to the massacre.

[LeftInTX]

30. He is allowed to have both jobs.

City Council is probably a part-time "volunteer" position with a stipend. It's like school board.

I know people who serve in small towns. They all have other full time jobs.

[Attilatheblond]

45. Other employment would be the norm

Yep. In really small towns, the stipend, if there is one, is not the point of running for public office. Outside job is what pays the bills.

In my experience, it is more about access to the group health insurance. People in such places are often self-employed or working jobs without much, if any, benefits. Health insurance for such individuals and their families is way expensive.

Public service jobs with benefits are a prize in such limited economies.

[LeftInTX]

49. I'm sure Uvalde does not offer group health insurance to city council members.

I think only the larger cities in Texas do.

[Attilatheblond]

85. Likely they do offer group insurance

Lived in a MUCH smaller town, 3 city employees. They had insurance.

[LeftInTX]

86. He would be elected. Not an employee

It's no different than school board.
School members are not paid and do not have insurance.

[Attilatheblond]

88. Elected officials in my former county all on group insurance

county had less than 2K total population. Elected positions are coveted for the insurance.

[thucythucy]

51. From the photos I saw the cops looked pretty well equipped:

Kevlar vests, helmets, assault weapons, communications gear... a huge hunk of the town's budget goes to the police force. I suspect, in fact, that more taxpayer money goes into equipping those cops than goes to their local schools.

If you mean mentally equipped--maybe. Though I also suspect they had some exercises or training on how to deal with active shooters.

But I totally agree with your last two sentences.

Outlaw the ARs. And repeal the legislation that exempts gun manufacturers from civil liability.

[inthewind21]

78. It's been reported

The Chief who decided to wait has had more than 32 hours of active shooter training per public records obtained by press. As recent as in the the past year. He's been a cop for over 27 years. NO EXCUSE!

[True Blue American]

70. No, they said they are swearing him in today as planned because he was duly elected!

[Midwestern Democrat]

91. Legally, they probably did have to swear in an elected official - I doubt he'll be able to remain on

the City Council for very long - I would think he would very quickly feel enough pressure to resign; if not, I'm certain there are processes in place - such as a recall - to remove a City Council member.

[True Blue American]

92. If he had any decency he would resign before they swear him in. He is making a mockery of Justice.

[Irish_Dem]

6. Coward shooter, coward cops. Certainly not the greatest generation.

Today I remember my family members who fought in WWII and those who died.

They were brave and could not fathom American men slaughtering American school children, or cops who stood by and watched, doing nothing.

[towerbum]

34. how about that swat team ? waste of money !

[Irish_Dem]

39. Yes indeed. Waste of time, money, training.

Welcome to DU!

[spanone]

7. It's truly hard to believe.

[madaboutharry]

8. It is impossible to wrap your head around this.

They knew terrified and wounded children were inside those classrooms. They stood outside doing nothing and not allowing others to rescue them.

I just can't understand it.

[crickets]

12. I know. All that equipment, recent training... and they did nothing.

The overwhelming, obvious reason why is that they didn't want to face someone with the firepower this kid had. Who would? But on that day, that was the job. They did not do their jobs. If police don't want to face someone with a semi-automatic, and no one does, then they should be howling at Congress to do something about gun legislation.

[mobeau69]

29. Wouldn't be surprised if some of that money was "misappropriated".

Remember from poly sci 101 that if you’re looking for corruption, look at the local levels.

[Thunderbeast]

43. Those hats ain't cheap!

[FakeNoose]

38. Some of the cops went in and saved their own kids

Fire them all!

[Demovictory9]

18. So who rescued the kids? The border police?

[madaboutharry]

21. Yes.

It was The Border Police. From the reporting on CNN and elsewhere Border Police made the independent decision to go in against orders from the (local) Incident Commander.

At least one father says EMT told him his daughter may have been saved if she hadn’t been left to bleed out.

[pnwmom]

23. Yes. The current story is that after a half hour of standing down

because the local sheriff told them to, the Border patrol got a key from the janitor and broached the "barricade" -- ie. the locked door.

Which any of the other police could have done for more than an hour.

[Demovictory9]

52. Thx

[True Blue American]

69. Yes,and shot the gunman.

MSNBC Just showed a video of a little girl saying “ I got shot!”

[inthewind21]

79. The BP agent who shot the murderer

was OFF DUTY. He was nearby getting a haircut, heard the call, borrowed a shotgun from the barber and some shells and went to the school. When he and the others decided to no longer wait and "stack up" and go in, HE had no vest, not helmet and ZERO protective gear. Yes he is the one who took the murderer out. He did an interview and has been on the news all day.

[questionseverything]

82. That's not quite what I heard

The bp @ barbershop gets a call from his wife who is a teacher, he grabs the gun, goes to school, grabs a couple other cops, they start clearing classrooms at the other end of building from where the shooter is ( with cops waiting outside)

A second bp guy who has been waiting to be told to enter does so basically against orders

[orangecrush]

84. Whoever stopped this slaughter

Is one brave soul, and deserves highest honor.

[malaise]

20. That's the worst part of this

[Skittles]

25. I can't either

they should have all stormed the building pronto

fuck, I would have gone in there unarmed if I thought I could save ONE KID

[towerbum]

46. you & about 90 % of the U.S. !

[uponit7771]

55. +1,

[Traildogbob]

11. The City Mayor is usually the Boss of city cops

That “Sick Son of a Bitch”!!

[LeftInTX]

31. He's employeed by the school district

He's a school cop

[Traildogbob]

67. Wasn't referring

To the school officer alone. I was saying he is in charge of the whole city force, many of which were there, and he damn sure was in charge of that self proclaimed fearless highly funded and publicized SWAT Team. That did not show up. THAT is why HE is the sick son of a bitch, NOT Beto.

[Snarkoleptic]

14. Outgunned and not following their own rules-

[malaise]

22. Blue Lives Scatter

Damn! That nails it.

[BlackSkimmer]

44. Wow, that's good. I hope it's getting seen where it needs to be.

[uponit7771]

56. +1,

[demigoddess]

75. maybe everyone in town should wear t shirts with that every single day. Forever. I would

if I lived there.

[Evolve Dammit]

16. Gross negligence. They had been trained and were totally incapable for real shooting. Fire them all

[In It to Win It]

17. The entire emergency response apparatus of this city and county failed, top to bottom.

Every wrong decision that could have possibly been made was made throughout entire system. It was layers upon layers of wrong decisions.

[Demobrat]

27. I just keep on picturing those cops

bravely pulling over and swaggering up to ten year old clunkers driven by trembling Hispanic mothers with three scared kids in the back seat.

Or rusted out pick up trucks driven by hard working brown men just trying to get home.

Bet they were real manly men then.

[malaise]

32. Of course that's when they

are Macho!

[towerbum]

35. from 2016 on, this country turn'd shit hole !

we all know who is responsible for this ! NOW FIX IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Celerity]

60. Many US coppers were racist, lying, violent, corrupt, brutal, selfish, and gutless POS thugs

long before 2016.

[inthewind21]

80. Oh Dear

It's been since way before 2016.

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. Good guys with guns not only fail but don't even engage.

Unbelievable.

[towerbum]

37. bullet's fly , cowardice advance's to the rear !

[Sogo]

47. The Uvalde police:

all hat and no cattle....

[brush]

50. Wonder if the classroom had windows?

If so some cops could've began breaking windows to distract the killers attention from just the door and the kids. They'd use a loudspeaker of course to advise the kids to get away from the windows.

This would also distract the killer.
If no windows, what about the hallway walls? If they're just sheetrock, the custodian could have an axe for chopping through which would also distract the gunman.

All of the diversionary stuff would be to get in any possible way, or make the killer thinks so. And as it turned out the Border Patrol SWAT team didn't have to do any of that, they just got the key from the custodian.

All the other cops just cowered in the hallway doing nothing but listening to the killer shooting the kids. Nobody was thinking until SWAT got there, and even they were told just stand there at first before they said forget this, who's got the key?

The incident commander nor anyone else apparently thought of the most obvious thing.

Sheer incompetence.

[ecstatic]

53. At least we can finally lay to rest the good guy with a gun crap

Dozens of cops on the scene did absolutely nothing. Either dirty cops, cowards or both. The kids were prepared. They did their part and followed their drills, but the police were not prepared or willing to protect them.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

54. Cowards. Too many cowards become cops.

And their cowardice is catered to.

It's a tough & dangerous job. A good law enforcement officer doesn't believe it's OK to make it easier or safer for themselves by violating the rights and endangering the safety of those they're tasked with protecting & serving.

Anyone who can't face that ought to find a different line of work.

[uponit7771]

57. "And their cowardice is catered to." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾

[brewens]

58. Even if they were chickenshits, about any cops anywhere would at least have sent guys in other

parts of the building to sneak around and find anyone that was hiding away from where the shooter was. That wouldn't have even been dangerous if they knew which room the shooter was in, and I think they did. I'd think even if they were ordered not to, someone would have mutinied and ignored that. I sure hope our cops here would.

If it's correct the Border patrol guys came in and ignored orders to stand down, it makes it really stink. And how about those feds versus yokel cops? That has to leave a mark.

[brewens]

59. I did just see a new video showing cops breaking windows and getting kids out of the other

part of the building, so at least they did some of that.

[malaise]

62. That is better news

Thanks

[Random Boomer]

74. Was that part of the official police response?

Because the father of one of the kids inside the building was an off-duty copy who drove to the school and started breaking kids out of the building. He was looking for his kid, sure, but he stayed after she was safe and just kept working to get as many children out as possible. But he was acting on his own, not directed by the incident commander.

[brewens]

77. Really good question. I had just heard what you are referring to a little while ago. I imagine it's

going to stink more and more every day for awhile.

[kentuck]

65. Of course they knew.

It proves that the police and the justice system has lost all control of semi-automatic weapons and any prevention of mass murders in the future.

[malaise]

66. Sure looks that way

This is the Wild West on steroids

[bluescribbler]

71. Cowards

[sheilahi]

76. oerfect name

Cowards in Stetsons

[Iggo]

81. ...and pleading for help.

Who stands there for an hour when children a screaming, “He’s killing us! Help us!” ???

I’ll be very surprised if none of those fuckers eat their guns.

[malaise]

83. Monsters

That is all

[quakerboy]

89. Two things I will never forget as long as I have a mind.

The time a guy chased me with an axe in hand.. and the 911 operator said police would be there. Over 4 hours later i got a call asking if I still wanted them to come by.

The time I went Christmas shopping and the police shot explosives at me.