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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDon't understand why American people are judging President Biden so harshly as opposed to tyrant45
With the caveat that the polls on RCP and 538 are correct, of course.
If they are correct, it doesn't make sense. Anyone can see the profound goodness emanating from President Biden and Dr. Biden. This hatred is completely uncalled for and absurd. Is it because social media disinformation is so rampant these days that the truth about the Biden administration can't break through?
The economy is booming, the stock market has stabilized, the vaccine rollout by the administration was perfect.
If it is gas prices, how come the American people go crazy over that but give people like Tyrant45 and Ted Cruz no flack about their policies directly leading to the HORRIFIC MURDER OF 19 SMALL CHILDREN?
This post was sparked by a Politico playbook piece today about how President Biden is frustrated with his approval rating. As he should be. To me, it looks like the American people gave Tyrant45 all the runway in the world and give someone who is actually fighting for them every day, and has every day of his long career, none. It's truly sickening really and infuriating.
LuckyCharms
(17,457 posts)is quite literally insane.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,377 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,008 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)Why?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Escurumbele
(3,402 posts)They feed with sound bytes, something republicans are very good at.
Have anyone here discussed anything with a republican sympathizer who has independent ideas and is not parroting the bull from Fox and republican politicians? No? There is your answer, it is ignorance.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Who cut their taxes and dont regulate. The big advertisers push the medias content with their ad dollars as leverage.
A better educated public would not be as susceptible to the propaganda.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Who cut their taxes and dont regulate. The big advertisers push the medias content with their ad dollars as leverage.
A better educated public would not be as susceptible to the propaganda.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)They polish it with their every breath and every word.
The most benign subject get politicized against Democrats and Biden.
Its the toxic republican cult.
bucolic_frolic
(43,284 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)and we even let 87 universities and countless pro teams support it!
constant unchallenged repetition to 50 mil a week. that is the difference and the only unique advantage republicans have
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)And so, I ask again, why? Why after all of us sounding the alarm for decades about this corrosive force has nothing creative been put into place to counter it?
ForgedCrank
(1,782 posts)hasn't been ignored really.
There have been many attempts at cracking that market, but a very scant few have ever been popular enough to survive.
I don't know why for sure, but if I had to venture a guess I would say it is likely because few of us listen to radio. I know I don't, and if a good show was on the radio, I probably still wouldn't. It just doesn't fit in with my daily routines, etc.
Maybe I'm weird that way, I'm not sure. Or maybe it's just that the right talent hasn't come around for it? Not sure really
Skittles
(153,193 posts)Last edited Tue May 31, 2022, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)
repukes are judged like white men, while Democrats are judged like women / POC
the bar is VERY low for repukes, pretty much rolling around on the ground, whereas Dems have to be twice as good to be considered half as good as repukes
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Bettie
(16,124 posts)every day it's "this is how X, Y, and Z are bad for Biden!".
With the former guy, it was "Oh, he's so presidential!" if he didn't obviously soil himself in public.
Lonestarblue
(10,064 posts)The man is not a politician, hes not a presidential adviser, hes not in government, and hes not a business leaderthus not really newsworthy, but sometime in his past years ago he was accused of shady dealings so WaPo is using him to cast shade on Biden. The Post has gone downhills since Bezos bought it and especially since Sally Buzbee became Executive Editor. They rarely report anything positive for the administration, and many of their headlines are negative when the actual article isnt reporting anything negative. The fact that they still have High Hewitt as a featured columnist says a lot. But they also have E. J. Dionne, Jennifer Rubin, and Eugene Robinson so I keep subscribing.
mahina
(17,696 posts)And that they appeared to be hit pieces for no reason. Thanks for dropping that to my attention. Im gonna go unsubscribe actually right now.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)in case red don gets re-installed. Gotta have a track record of dumping on red don's opponents.
mahina
(17,696 posts)I dont understand why hes doing what hes doing now other than he likes tax cuts I guess
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)1. Republicans, who will never approve.
2. Progressives, who find his performance lacking, because they expect the impossible: eliminate the Filibuster, pack the SCOTUS, forgive all Student Debt, etc.
3. Flibberdigibbets who don't understand how things work and blame whoever is at the top, but they are very unhappy about Inflation, Gas Prices, and Housing Prices.
With Trump, most knew to expect nothing except cruelty and malice, and they were never disappointed. Some of category 3 applauded it.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)...during the 2010 midterm (aka congressional) elections because President Obama didn't fix everything in the first 30 seconds don't make that same mistake this time.
grumpyduck
(6,255 posts)That's exactly what I think, especially number two.
Metaphorical
(1,604 posts)I'm not really sure there are all that many in #2 that aren't also in #3. At this point, the Dems hold the Senate on what amounts to a technicality. I think any Democrat who is paying attention should be aware of that fact.
Also keep in mind that the media echo chamber (owned by about 11 people, all conservatives) doesn't like Biden. He is unexciting. He has no scandal in the background. He is trying to do good, and he has the potential to rein in the media if he really set his mind to it. Trump would send out a rambling tweet and it would become front-page news. A Biden press conference where he's trying to fight a war while not formally declaring one elicits yawns from the media. The thumb is heavily weighted on the scale at this point.
dpibel
(2,852 posts)No divisive group attacks
Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I'm used to having posts hidden.
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)KarenS
(4,085 posts)does no one sense/feel the difference in their energy? Like you said "profound goodness".
The media has been relentless with President Biden while they gave TFG a pass,,,,
I've nearly quit with all the televised news these days.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)TFG could do no wrong and Biden could do no right.
The remaining 60% are moderates that may be unhappy with the economy or liberals that blame the Democrats (rightly or wrongly) for not getting enough done on some issue that's important to them.
In short, Republicans are sheep and everyone else are a mixture of cats and dogs.
ForgedCrank
(1,782 posts)different.
I live in this beet red place and deal with those people every single day.
I remember Trump doing two things specifically that REALLY angered most of them. there may have been other things, but these are the two I remember.
One was a "bump stock" ban, and the other was approving a budget that they thought was too bloated with needless spending.
Both riled them up pretty good at the time and most of them were pretty mad.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)So they are pretty fringe.
ForgedCrank
(1,782 posts)wasn't that at all.
None of these people I discussed it with had any interest in owning a "bump" stock. In fact, almost all of them thought the things were stupid.
This is a very red-infected rural area, and their beef was with banning things, and particularly without approval from elected lawmakers in congress. It's a big sticking point for a lot of them. And I can tell you what, there were a ton of them pretty angry at Trump over that deal.
I'm not sure if that was the case everywhere, but around here it sure was.
Wild blueberry
(6,655 posts)A good President working hard on behalf of us doesn't bring in their god-damned profits.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)Nothing but gloom-and-doom, and hair-on-fire screeching about inflation, Ukraine, and every other issue, while dishonestly spinning it all to blame Biden for being unable to fix things overnight, even when the vast majority of it is out of his hands. It's sickening.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)There is no other way to explain it that makes sense. Most Americans gave Trump credit for the great economy Obama handed him.
Today most Americans are upset with inflation, they call it a bad economy which it isn't. They give Biden a failing grade for the economy which is doing quite well. Inflation is a big problem, but it's not Bidens fault.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)I've been doing this for decades now and all of the metrics I've learned to judge the economy by are staggeringly good. The economy by no means whatsoever is bad.
womanofthehills
(8,761 posts)Food prices and gas are biggies. I live rural so it now costs me $5.00 in gas for one trip to get my mail at the post office, $40 in gas to get groceries. Many rural people have to travel 40 or more miles each way to get groceries and go to jobs. Gas prices are disproportionately hurting rural people. Almost half of Americans do not own stock so they could care less about the stock market. Many Americans do not really pay that much attention to politics so their voting might not be rational, just emotional.
mcar
(42,372 posts)since day 1.
They dont appreciate a decent, kind President who is trying to fix everything trump screwed up.
I blame tfg for oil prices going up, because oil companies prefer him over Biden. I blame tfg for the ongoing pandemic. I blame tfg for the crisis in airline industry and Reagan as well. I blame tfg for changing NAFTA so we cant get baby formula from Canada. I blame tfg for embargoes on certain countries. I blame tfg for allowing hate groups to grow and get away with multiple crimes. I blame trump for 1/6/2020. I blame tfg for trying to break NATO. I blame tfg for the current Republican Party along with McConnell. I could go on.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)I suspect we are being lied to/manipulated by those who want us to feel hopeless, disheartened, and discouraged so we will throw up our hands and say, "Woe is me. All is lost."
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Everyone expected Trump to be a fool. Biden just the opposite.
Chainfire
(17,636 posts)Great administration is just ...well....boring...
The Right controls the propaganda, and that is what will win elections.
We are getting near the end of the hand and only have one spade left, if the Republicans take that trick we will be set; perhaps permanently.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)relationships, especially when it comes to complex matters like the economy.
"Prices are so high at the grocery! It wasn't this way when Trump was President!" (what causes inflation and how much control does the President have?)
"Can you believe gas prices?" (don't bother them with how many oil supplies have been disrupted around the world due to the Ukraine attack and other factors; don't confuse them with talk of cartels, price gouging, and lack of competition)
"So what if unemployment is low? I'm still in the same job and I didn't get a huge pay increase." (macro vs. micro)
"Stock prices have tanked this year!" (It must be the President's fault. I actually had to listen to a business person with a graduate degree who claimed not to support Trump tell me how the Washington Post NEVER said anything positive about Trump. I asked her to give an example and she said that they didn't credit him with the increase in the stock market, e.g., by reducing overregulation. When I responded that research shows the President has little to do with stock market fluctuations over the long term, she practically started shouting about how I obviously was unwilling to see the bias in the Post, etc.)
Metaphorical
(1,604 posts)When someone claims to not support Trump and then parrots Trump talking points, it raises significant doubt in my mind that they did not support Trump.
It's also worth noting to your acquaintance that at (almost) no point since Biden was elected has the DJIA dropped BELOW the high point of the Trump administration. The biggest difference between the two? The volatility of the DJIA during TFG's tenure was the highest it had ever been, while overall the volatility of the market since Biden took over has dropped considerably. That's great for business and for large investors that underlie the biggest mutual funds, but it's far from ideal for day traders that basically make money by speculation and prefer volatility. Not surprisingly, most of the latter were Republicans that liked to gamble.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...but voters evaluate Presidents based on what they do (or don't do) to address the voters' issues of concern.
Of course they didn't. Trump's national ratings were always poor, and resulted in Republicans losing the House and Senate in 2018 and the White House in 2020.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)Won lots of key governorships that year and also gained seats in the senate. His midterm success was what enabled him to fire Jeff Sessions the day after, remember? He picked up 2 senate seats, to enhance his majority, and swept all the marquee races.
It was so good, in fact, that I distinctly remember Lindsey Graham on FNC telling the viewers that "Trump was on the glide path to re-election now" with those results.
Taking back the house was literally the only good thing about that night and even that wasn't clear until the early morning. There should have been a massive blue wave that year and I remember the disappointment of our pundits that evening that there was no blue wave.
Polybius
(15,476 posts)We may not like him, but by no means did he disserve an approval rating in the high 20's.
Tree Lady
(11,491 posts)Mixed with Fox and most other news blaming him.
On top of that covid returning and everyone sick of it and just looking for a fall guy.
Added to all the violence and people who don't pay attention blame both sides. All my friends and family who seldom watch news or politics think it's equal between parties.
People are struggling to pay for food and gas. Then baby formula issue.
A lot going on and they don't understand needing 60 senators and say our side has majority.
moondust
(20,006 posts)Media reported somebody yelled that at the President when he was in Uvalde. I DID NOT hear said media report who yelled it, what their motive may have been, or what he could personally do to satisfy their demand.
chowder66
(9,080 posts)liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)In the 35 years, I've been an adult, I can't remember having it this bad financially. I'm not blaming Biden, but it's really tough right now.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)In large measure. I bet you can't. There is your answer. They actually want him to fail.
WarGamer
(12,483 posts)Let me start by saying NONE of these problems are President Biden's fault.
But... You call the economy booming. Reality is, the Q1 GDP dipped into negative territory and experts are predicting Q2 will follow suit and the definition of a recession is 2 straight quarters with negative GDP
Do you watch the stock market? We're down almost 20% from recent highs (11/21)
And many Americans have already put COVID-19 in their rear view mirror.
It's gas prices, it's runaway inflation and supply chain issues.
Pissed off American voters act like children and throw temper tantrums.
They're having a tantrum right now even though none of it is directly the fault of POTUS.
NewsCenter28
(1,835 posts)That's just sick.
WarGamer
(12,483 posts)gladium et scutum
(808 posts)19 lives in Texas are a long way off and 99.9999% of the American population did not know any of them. On the other hand, vast majority of our citizens are paying $6.00 or $7.00 a gallon for a gasoline today. The phrase "all politics are local." and "voters tend to vote for the best interest of their pocketbooks" are very valid assessments.
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)these points myself. The economic realities for everyday folks make it hard to find any joy from the recovery over the last 17 months. The administration touting the economy is preaching to our choir, but absolutely discounted by the masses that are dealing with the inflation, the supply chains, and even those with 401-Ks making their lives miserable.
Make no mistake, the points others have made in this thread are quite valid. Yes, the largely right leaning media have been biased anti-Joe and Kamala since before their inauguration. The solid TFG base has, IMO, actually grown a little bit with the help of the vast RWNJ social media efforts. If you look at those entities that are growing, like TikTok, the pro-tRump and anti-Joe memes seem to run about 80% in TFG's favor--never mind that they are mostly spouting wrong, misleading and often pure bullshit points. The combination of the mass media and the (clearly organized) smear machine on social media is fostering a significant bandwagon effect. So much so that the impressionable 12-15% in the middle are jumping on that bandwagon.
WarGamer
(12,483 posts)Xoan
(25,323 posts)owning the libs and getting rewarded for it.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)First, R potuses increasing have been really bad, and provided lots of LEGITIMATE reasons to knock them.
As good as our potuses have been, when it comes to their turn people want to seem "fair" and find reason to nit pick ours.
Even more, Rs drive the discussion either way, and again, thus country relentlessly indulges their bullshit.
Completely predictable this is where Joe would be, doesn't matter how good of a job he's doing, Rs will throw a fit over something and the idiots in this country will go along w it.
One final point, Ds leave their potus out front alone, like Rs who defend them to them regardless of what they do, again making it easy for the idiot "middle" to believe the bullshit the Rs are screaming about.
ificandream
(9,387 posts)Opinion pieces, especially ones with no facts but just "I think" this and "it looks like" that aren't news, but many of the public have been trained to accept them as such thanks to ignorant media (usually RW, but not always).
And the RW doesn't just say things. They say it LOUD. And emphatically. The RW is Chicken Little. "The sky is falling down."
The problem about Idiot45 getting a pass is that the real media never went after him like the RW media has done with Biden. Hell, to some RWs Hunter Biden is the biggest scandal in a million years. Never mind that he was never President. What about a President who tries to get a foreign leader to help get himself re-elected? The RW answer, in many cases, is to deny it or change the subject. Never let the discussion mention that or just deny it.
The Repughs are playing the media and the American people. Hopefully someday (soon) they'll pay the cost of all this. But right now, they're keeping Congress and the Supreme Court in their fingers. We should be scared. Very scared. /rant
mn9driver
(4,428 posts)And this campaign to weaken Biden can be traced to one specific thing:
Withdrawal from Afghanistan.
This was a surprise move and the defense and media industries had not given their approval for it. They started making him pay for that within a few days and have been punishing him ever since.
Check out his coverage and polling before and after that date. Its quite clear.
Nululu
(842 posts)I was disgusted to see the media imply Biden statements wrong and needed correction.
Sheesh. They barely mentioned all the Trump lies until the end of his term.
Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)That's all there is to it. They're paying more for gas and food and there are still sporadic shortages.
There are signs food prices are stabilized with some decreasing. Read that inventories are building up meaning prices will drop in order to sell the excess.
Sympthsical
(9,111 posts)People can cite the employment numbers and various economic statistics all the live long day.
It doesn't matter.
What does matter is how people feel, what their lives are like day to day, what their wallets look like.
Right now, people aren't feeling great. Inflation is taking a bite out of everyone. Gas prices are denting everyone.
People know how much money is in their checking account at the end of the week. If that is significantly or noticeably less, then it's not good for whoever is in office. I know every single time I go to the store and see how much things cost vs. what they did a year ago, a little mental, "The fuck?!" pings in my head.
It's largely not personal against President Biden. But it also doesn't matter if he is a good man. Jimmy Carter is an amazing human. Look how that went for him politically.
Whenever people complain about the situations with rising costs at the grocery store, the gas pump, or the rent checks, I always see these kinds of responses. "The economy is booming! Unemployment!"
That's not talking to people - that's talking at them. And people aren't so receptive to that.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)I stand to lose my rights. Are women that clueless? I sure hope not.
Silent3
(15,265 posts)...will be blamed on Biden by many people. They aren't smart enough to figure out who did what when. If they're unhappy with their current circumstances, they vote against the party of the incumbent President.
A lot of voters, both female and male, are no smarter than that.
hay rick
(7,639 posts)They are sleeping with the enemy. They need to be recognized for what they are and taken out with the trash.
Shermann
(7,428 posts)It was critical that members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force had the support and trust of the public. Undermining their credibility fomented mistrust and directly contributed to low vaccination rates and mask usage.
You like to see your President score easy political layups instead of KERRRANNNGGING off the rim. Trump enraged our allies and blasted Gold Star families.
Transparency of any administration is an important feature, and Trump ensured we got the opposite of that with his combative clowns pretending to be White House Press Secretaries.
So on, and so forth.
With Biden, I don't see that. So no, I don't get it either.
dchill
(38,532 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)If a baseball team owned the umpire, how do you think balls and strikes would be called?
When you do not have the great arbiter for democracy: an unbiased/uninfluenced media, you cannot have democracy.
TFG told about 38,000 lies or misleading claims and did all kinds of nasty, bad and/or illegal stuff. His approval rating was more often than not higher than Biden's is now. There is no reconciling that.
The United States is well along its way to becoming an oligarchy or worse if it is not already there.
There needs to be some kind of strategy using social media, the internet, campaign, etc to try to combat that.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)During TFG's tenure they loved to take pot shots at trump. Now that he's gone they're dong the same thing to Biden. No longer Main
Stream Media it's Main Stream Manipulation
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)even the slightly decent media, pretty much continues to cater to republicans as if they have not completely screwed the country over. I don't know if it's because their ratings are better that way, if they're all secretly rooting for the end of democracy, or what. I just know that most people have not caught up to the FACT that the republicans are pursuing permanent minority rule to the detriment of all of us, and the media are not bringing this FACT to the people.
Liberal is NOT a dirty word Katie Couric!
towerbum
(263 posts)exception of 1 from ARIZONA & W. VIRGINIA! but , in November hopefully that will change ?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Say "hey what?" You throw a new and different pile of crap at everyone. Made them forget about the old crap.
Hope we have learned one thing from this monster - don't over-apologize or over-explain. President Biden is actually pretty good at this. Wish all Dems were.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)OLD. gnewz fan boys want NEW! americans lazy.
Polybius
(15,476 posts)All a huge percentage of Americans care about is the economy. Inflation is out of control, gas and housing prices are sky high, and stocks are in the toilet. Americans wrongly blame the President for a bad economy. Carter and Poppy Bush didn't disserve to be as unpopular as they were either, so it's nothing new.
betsuni
(25,617 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)The rest of us have to suck it up.
Inflation is showing no signs of slowing down, making it harder for workers to make ends meet.
The Consumer Price Index increased 8.3% from a year ago, higher than the 8.1% estimate, according to the U.S. Bureau of Statistics.
Although it was down slightly from the March peak, inflation is still growing at the fastest annual pace in about four decades.
Rising prices are putting household budgets in a vise, said Greg McBride, chief financial analyst at Bankrate.com. Price increases are widespread, but look at food and shelter which together account for 40% of the weighting in the CPI and more than that for many households.
Food prices are up at the fastest pace in more than 41 years and the shelter index, which makes up about one-third of the CPI weighting, was up 5.1% on a yearly basis, its fastest gain since March 1991.
While wage growth is high by historical standards, it isnt keeping up with the increased cost of living.
...https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/11/two-thirds-of-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck-as-inflation-climbs.html
betsuni
(25,617 posts)Republicans do. Democrats aren't the reason for economic inequality.
Deminpenn
(15,290 posts)Biden usually gives remarks in the middle of the day, a time when few people outside the CSPAN and cable news watchers see or hear them. Jmho, but it would help more if Biden gave a primetime address or two.
There is also an issue with Biden's voice, not the occassional stutter that creeps in, but the strength of his voice. It's bad sinuses, allergies and acid reflux that are all common conditions causing it, but imho, when people hear him, he sounds bad. It's a subtle, subconcious impression that he might not be up to the job. Not sure how to solve this outside of honey-lemon throat or other soothing lozenges.
betsuni
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Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)If we run on Trumps crimes, we lose. Kitchen table issues rule the day (inflation, jobs, right to choose, etc.)
Raine
(30,540 posts)it's what he was elected to do, correct what Trump left behind. Biden will be judged on whether he solves these problems or not and in a timely maner.