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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:31 PM May 2022

Don't understand why American people are judging President Biden so harshly as opposed to tyrant45

With the caveat that the polls on RCP and 538 are correct, of course.

If they are correct, it doesn't make sense. Anyone can see the profound goodness emanating from President Biden and Dr. Biden. This hatred is completely uncalled for and absurd. Is it because social media disinformation is so rampant these days that the truth about the Biden administration can't break through?

The economy is booming, the stock market has stabilized, the vaccine rollout by the administration was perfect.

If it is gas prices, how come the American people go crazy over that but give people like Tyrant45 and Ted Cruz no flack about their policies directly leading to the HORRIFIC MURDER OF 19 SMALL CHILDREN?

This post was sparked by a Politico playbook piece today about how President Biden is frustrated with his approval rating. As he should be. To me, it looks like the American people gave Tyrant45 all the runway in the world and give someone who is actually fighting for them every day, and has every day of his long career, none. It's truly sickening really and infuriating.

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Don't understand why American people are judging President Biden so harshly as opposed to tyrant45 (Original Post) NewsCenter28 May 2022 OP
Because a significant portion of the American population LuckyCharms May 2022 #1
And they have the memory capacity of a goldfish. A HERETIC I AM May 2022 #3
The goldfish that I grew up with had a longer memory than these nutz... Rhiannon12866 May 2022 #31
we completely ignore 1500 coordinated radio stations - avg 30/state - that's the difference certainot May 2022 #33
Again, you are correct and still this is completely ignored. Tumbulu May 2022 #57
Because a significant portion of the American population is ignorant Escurumbele May 2022 #51
And underinformed and misinformed. n/t Mr.Bill May 2022 #62
I would say that the corporate media prefer Repugs Dustlawyer May 2022 #64
I would say that the corporate media prefer Repugs Dustlawyer May 2022 #65
It's the trump cult fueling the Biden hate liberal N proud May 2022 #2
+1 Flags, caravans, online blitzing of social media, threats to those who disagree /nt bucolic_frolic May 2022 #7
at $1000 for a one hour radio infomercial 1200 x 15 hrs/day radio stations are worth $90M/week certainot May 2022 #39
It boggles my mind that this influence is so utterly ignored! Tumbulu May 2022 #58
Well, it ForgedCrank Jun 2022 #85
think of it this way Skittles May 2022 #4
a great point nt spooky3 May 2022 #11
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #78
The Media Bettie May 2022 #5
WaPo has a hit piece on the President's brother today. Lonestarblue May 2022 #17
There have been a few lately that really rubbed me the wrong way mahina May 2022 #32
bezoid cultivating the ground not fooled May 2022 #44
He was pretty good against Trump mahina May 2022 #49
There are 3 factions that make up Biden's disapproval. maxsolomon May 2022 #6
Ket's hopw the pouty progressives who stayed home... 3catwoman3 May 2022 #12
You beat me to it. grumpyduck May 2022 #20
Re #2 Metaphorical May 2022 #25
Don't know what brought this to mind... dpibel May 2022 #70
Go ahead and alert, then. maxsolomon May 2022 #75
#3 makes up the folks at the coffee shop each morning Chuuku Davis May 2022 #74
I'm with you,,, I do not understand,,,, KarenS May 2022 #8
For 40% of the Population TheRealNorth May 2022 #9
I saw something ForgedCrank Jun 2022 #87
The people advocating for bump stocks basically are saying they want fully automatic assault rifles. TheRealNorth Jun 2022 #89
No, it ForgedCrank Jun 2022 #90
Corporate media Wild blueberry May 2022 #10
Bingo!!! BigmanPigman May 2022 #27
Yes, they're the worst culprit. GoCubsGo May 2022 #53
It's a type of madness. fightforfreedom May 2022 #13
Exactly NewsCenter28 May 2022 #19
It really doesn't matter whose fault inflation is - whoever is in power will be blamed womanofthehills May 2022 #67
the media has pushed the "Biden sucks" narrative mcar May 2022 #14
Yep Rebl2 May 2022 #63
I call bullshit on some of these polls. 3catwoman3 May 2022 #15
Double standard. honest.abe May 2022 #16
I think it is because hate is easy to sell to the American people Chainfire May 2022 #18
Poor education - a lot of people do not understand cause-and-effect spooky3 May 2022 #21
In my experience Metaphorical May 2022 #29
Jimmy Carter was "good" as well... brooklynite May 2022 #22
Trump had a fantastic 2018 midterm NewsCenter28 May 2022 #56
Same with Poppy Bush Polybius Jun 2022 #77
Combo of gas and food price Tree Lady May 2022 #23
"Do something!" moondust May 2022 #24
Too many folks expect perfection from the Democratic Party while expecting nothing from the chowder66 May 2022 #26
A lot of people are struggling with higher prices on everything liberal_mama May 2022 #28
Find ONE media outlet that lauds the Predident's accomplishments Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #30
YOur summary doesn't get to the bottom of it... WarGamer May 2022 #34
But, why are they enraged about gas prices but could care less about GOP slaughtering children? NewsCenter28 May 2022 #60
that... I have no answer for. WarGamer May 2022 #72
Reality gladium et scutum May 2022 #73
You explained the situation quite well. I was about to post Still Sensible May 2022 #69
+1000, great points WarGamer May 2022 #71
In the end its all about ... Xoan May 2022 #35
Understand completely Cosmocat May 2022 #36
The overall problem is that, thanks to Fox, people don't know what news is anymore. ificandream May 2022 #37
Because they are being told to judge him harshly by the media. mn9driver May 2022 #38
Money is the only thing that matters to corporations. Nululu May 2022 #40
If true, we don't deserve him. WTF Joinfortmill May 2022 #41
People react to what effects their daily lives Deminpenn May 2022 #42
"The economy is booming" - it doesn't matter Sympthsical May 2022 #43
As a woman DownriverDem May 2022 #45
Even the loss of Roe v Wade, since it's happening while Biden is in office... Silent3 May 2022 #52
This is a direct result of the media building a narrative. hay rick May 2022 #46
With Trump it was easy to point to specific mistakes he was making while they were being made Shermann May 2022 #47
In other words, depends on who you ask. dchill May 2022 #48
Republicans control the media Jarqui May 2022 #50
It's what MSM is feeding the public Cozmo May 2022 #54
There's an over abundance of right wing media. FloridaBlues May 2022 #55
the media, barbtries May 2022 #59
jealous of Dem's because of they got brain's ! towerbum May 2022 #61
Strategy - pile SO much crap on and when you're about to Laura PourMeADrink May 2022 #66
the gnewz coddled THIER ratings king. they didn't PICK biden, plus he is no SQUIRREL/young. he is pansypoo53219 May 2022 #68
It makes perfect sense to me Polybius May 2022 #76
Supposedly a "winning midterm message" will help. No, for all the reasons listed in this thread. betsuni Jun 2022 #79
"The economy is booming, the stock market has stabilized" ...for those at the top. progressoid Jun 2022 #80
The point is that the Democratic Party doesn't destroy the American economy on purpose like betsuni Jun 2022 #81
Biden WH needs a better communication strategy, too Deminpenn Jun 2022 #82
As if Trump/Republican voices sound good. betsuni Jun 2022 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Jun 2022 #84
Most people don't give a damn about the insurrection. Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #86
It's Biden's watch now and it's his problems to solve Raine Jun 2022 #88

Escurumbele

(3,402 posts)
51. Because a significant portion of the American population is ignorant
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:44 PM
May 2022

They feed with sound bytes, something republicans are very good at.

Have anyone here discussed anything with a republican sympathizer who has independent ideas and is not parroting the bull from Fox and republican politicians? No? There is your answer, it is ignorance.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
64. I would say that the corporate media prefer Repugs
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:27 PM
May 2022

Who cut their taxes and don’t regulate. The big advertisers push the media’s content with their ad dollars as leverage.

A better educated public would not be as susceptible to the propaganda.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
65. I would say that the corporate media prefer Repugs
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:27 PM
May 2022

Who cut their taxes and don’t regulate. The big advertisers push the media’s content with their ad dollars as leverage.

A better educated public would not be as susceptible to the propaganda.

liberal N proud

(60,344 posts)
2. It's the trump cult fueling the Biden hate
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:34 PM
May 2022

They polish it with their every breath and every word.
The most benign subject get politicized against Democrats and Biden.

It’s the toxic republican cult.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
39. at $1000 for a one hour radio infomercial 1200 x 15 hrs/day radio stations are worth $90M/week
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:04 PM
May 2022

and we even let 87 universities and countless pro teams support it!

constant unchallenged repetition to 50 mil a week. that is the difference and the only unique advantage republicans have

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
58. It boggles my mind that this influence is so utterly ignored!
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:59 PM
May 2022

And so, I ask again, why? Why after all of us sounding the alarm for decades about this corrosive force has nothing creative been put into place to counter it?

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
85. Well, it
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 07:55 PM
Jun 2022

hasn't been ignored really.
There have been many attempts at cracking that market, but a very scant few have ever been popular enough to survive.
I don't know why for sure, but if I had to venture a guess I would say it is likely because few of us listen to radio. I know I don't, and if a good show was on the radio, I probably still wouldn't. It just doesn't fit in with my daily routines, etc.
Maybe I'm weird that way, I'm not sure. Or maybe it's just that the right talent hasn't come around for it? Not sure really

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
4. think of it this way
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:35 PM
May 2022

Last edited Tue May 31, 2022, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)

repukes are judged like white men, while Democrats are judged like women / POC

the bar is VERY low for repukes, pretty much rolling around on the ground, whereas Dems have to be twice as good to be considered half as good as repukes

Bettie

(16,124 posts)
5. The Media
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:35 PM
May 2022

every day it's "this is how X, Y, and Z are bad for Biden!".

With the former guy, it was "Oh, he's so presidential!" if he didn't obviously soil himself in public.

Lonestarblue

(10,064 posts)
17. WaPo has a hit piece on the President's brother today.
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:47 PM
May 2022

The man is not a politician, he’s not a presidential adviser, he’s not in government, and he’s not a business leader—thus not really newsworthy, but sometime in his past years ago he was accused of shady dealings so WaPo is using him to cast shade on Biden. The Post has gone downhills since Bezos bought it and especially since Sally Buzbee became Executive Editor. They rarely report anything positive for the administration, and many of their headlines are negative when the actual article isn’t reporting anything negative. The fact that they still have High Hewitt as a featured columnist says a lot. But they also have E. J. Dionne, Jennifer Rubin, and Eugene Robinson so I keep subscribing.

mahina

(17,696 posts)
32. There have been a few lately that really rubbed me the wrong way
Tue May 31, 2022, 06:58 PM
May 2022

And that they appeared to be hit pieces for no reason. Thanks for dropping that to my attention. I’m gonna go unsubscribe actually right now.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
44. bezoid cultivating the ground
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:17 PM
May 2022

in case red don gets re-installed. Gotta have a track record of dumping on red don's opponents.

mahina

(17,696 posts)
49. He was pretty good against Trump
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:40 PM
May 2022

I don’t understand why he’s doing what he’s doing now other than he likes tax cuts I guess

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
6. There are 3 factions that make up Biden's disapproval.
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:36 PM
May 2022

1. Republicans, who will never approve.
2. Progressives, who find his performance lacking, because they expect the impossible: eliminate the Filibuster, pack the SCOTUS, forgive all Student Debt, etc.
3. Flibberdigibbets who don't understand how things work and blame whoever is at the top, but they are very unhappy about Inflation, Gas Prices, and Housing Prices.

With Trump, most knew to expect nothing except cruelty and malice, and they were never disappointed. Some of category 3 applauded it.

3catwoman3

(24,041 posts)
12. Ket's hopw the pouty progressives who stayed home...
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:44 PM
May 2022

...during the 2010 midterm (aka congressional) elections because President Obama didn't fix everything in the first 30 seconds don't make that same mistake this time.

Metaphorical

(1,604 posts)
25. Re #2
Tue May 31, 2022, 06:02 PM
May 2022

I'm not really sure there are all that many in #2 that aren't also in #3. At this point, the Dems hold the Senate on what amounts to a technicality. I think any Democrat who is paying attention should be aware of that fact.

Also keep in mind that the media echo chamber (owned by about 11 people, all conservatives) doesn't like Biden. He is unexciting. He has no scandal in the background. He is trying to do good, and he has the potential to rein in the media if he really set his mind to it. Trump would send out a rambling tweet and it would become front-page news. A Biden press conference where he's trying to fight a war while not formally declaring one elicits yawns from the media. The thumb is heavily weighted on the scale at this point.

dpibel

(2,852 posts)
70. Don't know what brought this to mind...
Tue May 31, 2022, 09:13 PM
May 2022

No divisive group attacks
Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like.

KarenS

(4,085 posts)
8. I'm with you,,, I do not understand,,,,
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:38 PM
May 2022

does no one sense/feel the difference in their energy? Like you said "profound goodness".

The media has been relentless with President Biden while they gave TFG a pass,,,,

I've nearly quit with all the televised news these days.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
9. For 40% of the Population
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:41 PM
May 2022

TFG could do no wrong and Biden could do no right.

The remaining 60% are moderates that may be unhappy with the economy or liberals that blame the Democrats (rightly or wrongly) for not getting enough done on some issue that's important to them.

In short, Republicans are sheep and everyone else are a mixture of cats and dogs.

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
87. I saw something
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:09 PM
Jun 2022

different.
I live in this beet red place and deal with those people every single day.
I remember Trump doing two things specifically that REALLY angered most of them. there may have been other things, but these are the two I remember.
One was a "bump stock" ban, and the other was approving a budget that they thought was too bloated with needless spending.
Both riled them up pretty good at the time and most of them were pretty mad.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
89. The people advocating for bump stocks basically are saying they want fully automatic assault rifles.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:34 PM
Jun 2022

So they are pretty fringe.

ForgedCrank

(1,782 posts)
90. No, it
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 09:19 PM
Jun 2022

wasn't that at all.
None of these people I discussed it with had any interest in owning a "bump" stock. In fact, almost all of them thought the things were stupid.
This is a very red-infected rural area, and their beef was with banning things, and particularly without approval from elected lawmakers in congress. It's a big sticking point for a lot of them. And I can tell you what, there were a ton of them pretty angry at Trump over that deal.
I'm not sure if that was the case everywhere, but around here it sure was.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
53. Yes, they're the worst culprit.
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:48 PM
May 2022

Nothing but gloom-and-doom, and hair-on-fire screeching about inflation, Ukraine, and every other issue, while dishonestly spinning it all to blame Biden for being unable to fix things overnight, even when the vast majority of it is out of his hands. It's sickening.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
13. It's a type of madness.
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:45 PM
May 2022

There is no other way to explain it that makes sense. Most Americans gave Trump credit for the great economy Obama handed him.

Today most Americans are upset with inflation, they call it a bad economy which it isn't. They give Biden a failing grade for the economy which is doing quite well. Inflation is a big problem, but it's not Bidens fault.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
19. Exactly
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:50 PM
May 2022

I've been doing this for decades now and all of the metrics I've learned to judge the economy by are staggeringly good. The economy by no means whatsoever is bad.

womanofthehills

(8,761 posts)
67. It really doesn't matter whose fault inflation is - whoever is in power will be blamed
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:46 PM
May 2022

Food prices and gas are biggies. I live rural so it now costs me $5.00 in gas for one trip to get my mail at the post office, $40 in gas to get groceries. Many rural people have to travel 40 or more miles each way to get groceries and go to jobs. Gas prices are disproportionately hurting rural people. Almost half of Americans do not own stock so they could care less about the stock market. Many Americans do not really pay that much attention to politics so their voting might not be rational, just emotional.

Rebl2

(13,551 posts)
63. Yep
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:27 PM
May 2022

They don’t appreciate a decent, kind President who is trying to fix everything trump screwed up.

I blame tfg for oil prices going up, because oil companies prefer him over Biden. I blame tfg for the ongoing pandemic. I blame tfg for the crisis in airline industry and Reagan as well. I blame tfg for changing NAFTA so we can’t get baby formula from Canada. I blame tfg for embargoes on certain countries. I blame tfg for allowing hate groups to grow and get away with multiple crimes. I blame trump for 1/6/2020. I blame tfg for trying to break NATO. I blame tfg for the current Republican Party along with McConnell. I could go on.

3catwoman3

(24,041 posts)
15. I call bullshit on some of these polls.
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:46 PM
May 2022

I suspect we are being lied to/manipulated by those who want us to feel hopeless, disheartened, and discouraged so we will throw up our hands and say, "Woe is me. All is lost."

Chainfire

(17,636 posts)
18. I think it is because hate is easy to sell to the American people
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:48 PM
May 2022

Great administration is just ...well....boring...

The Right controls the propaganda, and that is what will win elections.

We are getting near the end of the hand and only have one spade left, if the Republicans take that trick we will be set; perhaps permanently.

spooky3

(34,476 posts)
21. Poor education - a lot of people do not understand cause-and-effect
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:51 PM
May 2022

relationships, especially when it comes to complex matters like the economy.

"Prices are so high at the grocery! It wasn't this way when Trump was President!" (what causes inflation and how much control does the President have?)

"Can you believe gas prices?" (don't bother them with how many oil supplies have been disrupted around the world due to the Ukraine attack and other factors; don't confuse them with talk of cartels, price gouging, and lack of competition)

"So what if unemployment is low? I'm still in the same job and I didn't get a huge pay increase." (macro vs. micro)

"Stock prices have tanked this year!" (It must be the President's fault. I actually had to listen to a business person with a graduate degree who claimed not to support Trump tell me how the Washington Post NEVER said anything positive about Trump. I asked her to give an example and she said that they didn't credit him with the increase in the stock market, e.g., by reducing overregulation. When I responded that research shows the President has little to do with stock market fluctuations over the long term, she practically started shouting about how I obviously was unwilling to see the bias in the Post, etc.)



Metaphorical

(1,604 posts)
29. In my experience
Tue May 31, 2022, 06:42 PM
May 2022

When someone claims to not support Trump and then parrots Trump talking points, it raises significant doubt in my mind that they did not support Trump.

It's also worth noting to your acquaintance that at (almost) no point since Biden was elected has the DJIA dropped BELOW the high point of the Trump administration. The biggest difference between the two? The volatility of the DJIA during TFG's tenure was the highest it had ever been, while overall the volatility of the market since Biden took over has dropped considerably. That's great for business and for large investors that underlie the biggest mutual funds, but it's far from ideal for day traders that basically make money by speculation and prefer volatility. Not surprisingly, most of the latter were Republicans that liked to gamble.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
22. Jimmy Carter was "good" as well...
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:52 PM
May 2022

...but voters evaluate Presidents based on what they do (or don't do) to address the voters' issues of concern.

To me, it looks like the American people gave Tyrant45 all the runway in the world


Of course they didn't. Trump's national ratings were always poor, and resulted in Republicans losing the House and Senate in 2018 and the White House in 2020.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
56. Trump had a fantastic 2018 midterm
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:53 PM
May 2022

Won lots of key governorships that year and also gained seats in the senate. His midterm success was what enabled him to fire Jeff Sessions the day after, remember? He picked up 2 senate seats, to enhance his majority, and swept all the marquee races.

It was so good, in fact, that I distinctly remember Lindsey Graham on FNC telling the viewers that "Trump was on the glide path to re-election now" with those results.

Taking back the house was literally the only good thing about that night and even that wasn't clear until the early morning. There should have been a massive blue wave that year and I remember the disappointment of our pundits that evening that there was no blue wave.

Polybius

(15,476 posts)
77. Same with Poppy Bush
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 12:00 AM
Jun 2022

We may not like him, but by no means did he disserve an approval rating in the high 20's.

Tree Lady

(11,491 posts)
23. Combo of gas and food price
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:55 PM
May 2022

Mixed with Fox and most other news blaming him.

On top of that covid returning and everyone sick of it and just looking for a fall guy.

Added to all the violence and people who don't pay attention blame both sides. All my friends and family who seldom watch news or politics think it's equal between parties.

People are struggling to pay for food and gas. Then baby formula issue.

A lot going on and they don't understand needing 60 senators and say our side has majority.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
24. "Do something!"
Tue May 31, 2022, 05:55 PM
May 2022

Media reported somebody yelled that at the President when he was in Uvalde. I DID NOT hear said media report who yelled it, what their motive may have been, or what he could personally do to satisfy their demand.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
28. A lot of people are struggling with higher prices on everything
Tue May 31, 2022, 06:14 PM
May 2022

In the 35 years, I've been an adult, I can't remember having it this bad financially. I'm not blaming Biden, but it's really tough right now.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
30. Find ONE media outlet that lauds the Predident's accomplishments
Tue May 31, 2022, 06:57 PM
May 2022

In large measure. I bet you can't. There is your answer. They actually want him to fail.

WarGamer

(12,483 posts)
34. YOur summary doesn't get to the bottom of it...
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:00 PM
May 2022

Let me start by saying NONE of these problems are President Biden's fault.


But... You call the economy booming. Reality is, the Q1 GDP dipped into negative territory and experts are predicting Q2 will follow suit and the definition of a recession is 2 straight quarters with negative GDP

Do you watch the stock market? We're down almost 20% from recent highs (11/21)

And many Americans have already put COVID-19 in their rear view mirror.

It's gas prices, it's runaway inflation and supply chain issues.

Pissed off American voters act like children and throw temper tantrums.

They're having a tantrum right now even though none of it is directly the fault of POTUS.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
60. But, why are they enraged about gas prices but could care less about GOP slaughtering children?
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:00 PM
May 2022

That's just sick.

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
73. Reality
Tue May 31, 2022, 09:59 PM
May 2022

19 lives in Texas are a long way off and 99.9999% of the American population did not know any of them. On the other hand, vast majority of our citizens are paying $6.00 or $7.00 a gallon for a gasoline today. The phrase "all politics are local." and "voters tend to vote for the best interest of their pocketbooks" are very valid assessments.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
69. You explained the situation quite well. I was about to post
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:49 PM
May 2022

these points myself. The economic realities for everyday folks make it hard to find any joy from the recovery over the last 17 months. The administration touting the economy is preaching to our choir, but absolutely discounted by the masses that are dealing with the inflation, the supply chains, and even those with 401-Ks making their lives miserable.

Make no mistake, the points others have made in this thread are quite valid. Yes, the largely right leaning media have been biased anti-Joe and Kamala since before their inauguration. The solid TFG base has, IMO, actually grown a little bit with the help of the vast RWNJ social media efforts. If you look at those entities that are growing, like TikTok, the pro-tRump and anti-Joe memes seem to run about 80% in TFG's favor--never mind that they are mostly spouting wrong, misleading and often pure bullshit points. The combination of the mass media and the (clearly organized) smear machine on social media is fostering a significant bandwagon effect. So much so that the impressionable 12-15% in the middle are jumping on that bandwagon.

Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
36. Understand completely
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:02 PM
May 2022

First, R potuses increasing have been really bad, and provided lots of LEGITIMATE reasons to knock them.

As good as our potuses have been, when it comes to their turn people want to seem "fair" and find reason to nit pick ours.

Even more, Rs drive the discussion either way, and again, thus country relentlessly indulges their bullshit.

Completely predictable this is where Joe would be, doesn't matter how good of a job he's doing, Rs will throw a fit over something and the idiots in this country will go along w it.

One final point, Ds leave their potus out front alone, like Rs who defend them to them regardless of what they do, again making it easy for the idiot "middle" to believe the bullshit the Rs are screaming about.

ificandream

(9,387 posts)
37. The overall problem is that, thanks to Fox, people don't know what news is anymore.
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:03 PM
May 2022

Opinion pieces, especially ones with no facts but just "I think" this and "it looks like" that aren't news, but many of the public have been trained to accept them as such thanks to ignorant media (usually RW, but not always).

And the RW doesn't just say things. They say it LOUD. And emphatically. The RW is Chicken Little. "The sky is falling down."

The problem about Idiot45 getting a pass is that the real media never went after him like the RW media has done with Biden. Hell, to some RWs Hunter Biden is the biggest scandal in a million years. Never mind that he was never President. What about a President who tries to get a foreign leader to help get himself re-elected? The RW answer, in many cases, is to deny it or change the subject. Never let the discussion mention that or just deny it.

The Repughs are playing the media and the American people. Hopefully someday (soon) they'll pay the cost of all this. But right now, they're keeping Congress and the Supreme Court in their fingers. We should be scared. Very scared. /rant

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
38. Because they are being told to judge him harshly by the media.
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:03 PM
May 2022

And this campaign to weaken Biden can be traced to one specific thing:

Withdrawal from Afghanistan.

This was a surprise move and the defense and media industries had not given their approval for it. They started making him pay for that within a few days and have been punishing him ever since.

Check out his coverage and polling before and after that date. It’s quite clear.

Nululu

(842 posts)
40. Money is the only thing that matters to corporations.
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:04 PM
May 2022

I was disgusted to see the media imply Biden statements wrong and needed correction.

Sheesh. They barely mentioned all the Trump lies until the end of his term.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
42. People react to what effects their daily lives
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:12 PM
May 2022

That's all there is to it. They're paying more for gas and food and there are still sporadic shortages.

There are signs food prices are stabilized with some decreasing. Read that inventories are building up meaning prices will drop in order to sell the excess.

Sympthsical

(9,111 posts)
43. "The economy is booming" - it doesn't matter
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:16 PM
May 2022

People can cite the employment numbers and various economic statistics all the live long day.

It doesn't matter.

What does matter is how people feel, what their lives are like day to day, what their wallets look like.

Right now, people aren't feeling great. Inflation is taking a bite out of everyone. Gas prices are denting everyone.

People know how much money is in their checking account at the end of the week. If that is significantly or noticeably less, then it's not good for whoever is in office. I know every single time I go to the store and see how much things cost vs. what they did a year ago, a little mental, "The fuck?!" pings in my head.

It's largely not personal against President Biden. But it also doesn't matter if he is a good man. Jimmy Carter is an amazing human. Look how that went for him politically.

Whenever people complain about the situations with rising costs at the grocery store, the gas pump, or the rent checks, I always see these kinds of responses. "The economy is booming! Unemployment!"

That's not talking to people - that's talking at them. And people aren't so receptive to that.

Silent3

(15,265 posts)
52. Even the loss of Roe v Wade, since it's happening while Biden is in office...
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:45 PM
May 2022

...will be blamed on Biden by many people. They aren't smart enough to figure out who did what when. If they're unhappy with their current circumstances, they vote against the party of the incumbent President.

A lot of voters, both female and male, are no smarter than that.

hay rick

(7,639 posts)
46. This is a direct result of the media building a narrative.
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:26 PM
May 2022

They are sleeping with the enemy. They need to be recognized for what they are and taken out with the trash.

Shermann

(7,428 posts)
47. With Trump it was easy to point to specific mistakes he was making while they were being made
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:33 PM
May 2022

It was critical that members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force had the support and trust of the public. Undermining their credibility fomented mistrust and directly contributed to low vaccination rates and mask usage.

You like to see your President score easy political layups instead of KERRRANNNGGING off the rim. Trump enraged our allies and blasted Gold Star families.

Transparency of any administration is an important feature, and Trump ensured we got the opposite of that with his combative clowns pretending to be White House Press Secretaries.

So on, and so forth.

With Biden, I don't see that. So no, I don't get it either.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
50. Republicans control the media
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:42 PM
May 2022

If a baseball team owned the umpire, how do you think balls and strikes would be called?

When you do not have the great arbiter for democracy: an unbiased/uninfluenced media, you cannot have democracy.

TFG told about 38,000 lies or misleading claims and did all kinds of nasty, bad and/or illegal stuff. His approval rating was more often than not higher than Biden's is now. There is no reconciling that.

The United States is well along its way to becoming an oligarchy or worse if it is not already there.

There needs to be some kind of strategy using social media, the internet, campaign, etc to try to combat that.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
54. It's what MSM is feeding the public
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:48 PM
May 2022

During TFG's tenure they loved to take pot shots at trump. Now that he's gone they're dong the same thing to Biden. No longer Main

Stream Media it's Main Stream Manipulation

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
59. the media,
Tue May 31, 2022, 07:59 PM
May 2022

even the slightly decent media, pretty much continues to cater to republicans as if they have not completely screwed the country over. I don't know if it's because their ratings are better that way, if they're all secretly rooting for the end of democracy, or what. I just know that most people have not caught up to the FACT that the republicans are pursuing permanent minority rule to the detriment of all of us, and the media are not bringing this FACT to the people.

Liberal is NOT a dirty word Katie Couric!

 

towerbum

(263 posts)
61. jealous of Dem's because of they got brain's !
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:10 PM
May 2022

exception of 1 from ARIZONA & W. VIRGINIA! but , in November hopefully that will change ?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
66. Strategy - pile SO much crap on and when you're about to
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:29 PM
May 2022

Say "hey what?" You throw a new and different pile of crap at everyone. Made them forget about the old crap.

Hope we have learned one thing from this monster - don't over-apologize or over-explain. President Biden is actually pretty good at this. Wish all Dems were.

pansypoo53219

(20,995 posts)
68. the gnewz coddled THIER ratings king. they didn't PICK biden, plus he is no SQUIRREL/young. he is
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:49 PM
May 2022

OLD. gnewz fan boys want NEW! americans lazy.

Polybius

(15,476 posts)
76. It makes perfect sense to me
Tue May 31, 2022, 11:56 PM
May 2022

All a huge percentage of Americans care about is the economy. Inflation is out of control, gas and housing prices are sky high, and stocks are in the toilet. Americans wrongly blame the President for a bad economy. Carter and Poppy Bush didn't disserve to be as unpopular as they were either, so it's nothing new.

progressoid

(49,999 posts)
80. "The economy is booming, the stock market has stabilized" ...for those at the top.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:02 AM
Jun 2022

The rest of us have to suck it up.

Two-thirds of Americans live paycheck to paycheck as inflation continues to climb

Inflation is showing no signs of slowing down, making it harder for workers to make ends meet.

The Consumer Price Index increased 8.3% from a year ago, higher than the 8.1% estimate, according to the U.S. Bureau of Statistics.

Although it was down slightly from the March peak, inflation is still growing at the fastest annual pace in about four decades.

“Rising prices are putting household budgets in a vise,” said Greg McBride, chief financial analyst at Bankrate.com. “Price increases are widespread, but look at food and shelter — which together account for 40% of the weighting in the CPI and more than that for many households.”

Food prices are up at the fastest pace in more than 41 years and the shelter index, which makes up about one-third of the CPI weighting, was up 5.1% on a yearly basis, its fastest gain since March 1991.

While wage growth is high by historical standards, it isn’t keeping up with the increased cost of living.

...https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/11/two-thirds-of-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck-as-inflation-climbs.html

betsuni

(25,617 posts)
81. The point is that the Democratic Party doesn't destroy the American economy on purpose like
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 04:59 AM
Jun 2022

Republicans do. Democrats aren't the reason for economic inequality.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
82. Biden WH needs a better communication strategy, too
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 05:35 AM
Jun 2022

Biden usually gives remarks in the middle of the day, a time when few people outside the CSPAN and cable news watchers see or hear them. Jmho, but it would help more if Biden gave a primetime address or two.

There is also an issue with Biden's voice, not the occassional stutter that creeps in, but the strength of his voice. It's bad sinuses, allergies and acid reflux that are all common conditions causing it, but imho, when people hear him, he sounds bad. It's a subtle, subconcious impression that he might not be up to the job. Not sure how to solve this outside of honey-lemon throat or other soothing lozenges.

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Elessar Zappa

(14,047 posts)
86. Most people don't give a damn about the insurrection.
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:03 PM
Jun 2022

If we run on Trump’s crimes, we lose. Kitchen table issues rule the day (inflation, jobs, right to choose, etc.)

Raine

(30,540 posts)
88. It's Biden's watch now and it's his problems to solve
Wed Jun 1, 2022, 08:30 PM
Jun 2022

it's what he was elected to do, correct what Trump left behind. Biden will be judged on whether he solves these problems or not and in a timely maner.

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