Who is this Charles Grassley fellow?

[kentuck]

We would have thought the voters of Iowa were smarter. Not only did they send him to Washington as a US Senator, they kept sending him back and back and back and back and back...

Now he has popped up in a very interesting story. It seems that because of his seniority, he becomes "pro temp" president of the Senate, if the VP is absent.

It is reported that just before the January 6th attack upon our Capitol, he had made comments that he did not expect VP Pence to count the electoral votes on January 6th? Why would he say that? Did he know something was afoot?

Also, it has been reported that after VP Pence had been escorted out of the Capitol, the Secret Service attempted to get him in a car to remove him from the Capitol premises. Reportedly he said, "I'm not getting in that car."

The question arises. Was the plan to remove Pence from the Capitol so that Senator Grassley could lead the counting of the Electoral Votes?

If this account is true, it indicates that the conspiracy to overthrow the election went higher than Senator Grassley? Did Mitch McConnell know about it? Did Donald Trump know about it? Although we have long suspected that to be the case, this would be the proof in the pudding.

There is more to uncover in this story.

[Novara]

1. THEY ALL KNEW

That's my theory, anyway. They all knew and/or participated in one way or another. So far we have not heard ONE PEEP about ANY republican pushing back on this plan to overthrow the government. Not one peep. So that tells me they all knew and they all were fine with the crime. I'll bet none of them didn't know of the plan.

At a minimum, keeping quiet with knowledge of the overthrow of the government should get you jail time as an accomplice.

[kentuck]

2. A democracy does not allow for one Party to imprison the other Party entirely.

The solution has to come from the voters.

It's unfortunate in this case, but that is the reality.

[secondwind]

19. Too bad.......

[DBoon]

59. So we don't imprison Liz Cheney and Kinzinger

You can't let people off on serious criminal charges just because they make up almost all of a political party.

[SouthernDem4ever]

61. How does that solution work when one party is suppressing the vote

and making laws allowing them to subvert the will of the voters in their own state?

[kentuck]

69. It doesn't mean you can't put some of them in jail...

There simply is not enough jail space to hold all of them. Even though all of them are guilty.

However, there are a lot of criminals that escape capture in our society.

We must hold those accountable, that are the leaders of the crimes committed. It is not possible to put 100% of them in jail.

[YoshidaYui]

13. This

They all knew.’

[certainot]

63. they all learned to suck limbaugh's ass and now he's croaked and they're lost. he was

the guy who explained how to rationalize this whole shit show

trumpism rots with limbaugh

[Roy Rolling]

3. That makes sense

The Pence car angle was curious, now it makes perfect sense in-context. Thanks.

On edit: it’s even more curious we have Pence to thank for thwarting the coup?

[wnylib]

20. Pence was just covering his own butt.

He knew that the coup was unlikely to succeed. He feared the consequences to himself when it failed.

[kentuck]

21. Probably true.

However, he did seek the advice of a respected, conservative, former Judge, Michael Lettig, who has volunteered to testify for the hearings.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-pence-january-6-judge-michael-luttig-counsel/

[Marcuse]

32. He also sought Dan Quayle.

[kentuck]

33. Perhaps because they are both from Indiana...

...rather than for the great mind of Dan Quayle. They probably have a friendship?

[BadgerMom]

58. Both from Indiana, both Republican VPs for 1-term Presidents.

Quayle also had to preside over an electoral vote count that made the Democratic opponents President and Vice President.

[agingdem]

40. I think Pence hated Trump

four years of kissing Trump's ass, his ever loyal supplicant...a joke...if Pence was at all committed to "playing" his part, January 6 and "Hang Mike Pence" put on end to that..

[wnylib]

45. A gallows would tend to do that.

[towerbum]

55. probability getting chapped lip's ?

[jmowreader]

47. Pence knew about the "hang Mike Pence" chants

There was a nonzero chance Pence would have been killed if he left the building.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. They all knew, recall GOP uniform silence - mumbles - after Impeachment #1

Republicans are a tight-knit, disciplined party that enjoys inside jokes at the opposition. It's a way of life. They all knew what was going on, from "Russia, are you listening?" to post-election 2020. They knew where their campaign cash was coming from, and who their big donors were. They just didn't want it to be public knowledge. Traitors, every last one of them.

[kentuck]

5. I don't know if it is appropriate to call them a political "Party" any more?

They are more like a criminal organization. There is nothing they do for the common people but they do it very well.

[Botany]

6. They all knew. The unwashed masses were going to disrupt things, then people like ...

... Oath Keepers and such were going to steal the electoral ballots and replace them with phony ones,
and with enough people killed or hurt then Trump would declare martial law and suspend the transfer
of power to Joe Biden.

[halfulglas]

27. I don't think they would have needed to be replaced with their own.

They would have claimed they were missing, they couldn't be verified and so the total would have to be discarded, even though each state probably has its own copy.

[kentuck]

29. I think their plan was to get the various state legislatures to declare Trump the victor...

...and they were ready to then send in the "alternate electors" votes to make it official, and Trump would remain in power. When Pence refused to go along with the plan, it disrupted the entire scheme. The attack upon the Capitol was meant to disrupt the process and to buy time and to get Pence out of the Capitol, so they could then declare the fake electors as the official ones and the overturn of the election would be complete.

[jmowreader]

48. The National Archive has a set for just this occasion

[panader0]

43. 147 Republicans voted against certifying the electoral votes, the SAME DAY as the insurrection.

I'd think that at least they knew, if not all of them. Some of the more moderate Repubs (if they exist)
may not have been trusted by those in the know.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

[Botany]

44. They are against voting and having that vote count in much of the country. They are at ...

.... their core anti democratic. In Ohio in 2012 Obama won the state by comfortable as
did Sherrod Brown but thanks to gerrymandering the GOP won 12 of the 15 Congressional
races even though there were more democrats voting but the GOP in OH fixed the fact
there were more Ds then Rs (close but slightly more) and removed > 2,000,000 voters
and in 2016 Trump cruised to victory in OH.

[Roy Rolling]

70. Small thing...

But is that actually Miller’s signature? Or is it a forgery?

[gab13by13]

7. I forget who made the statement,

but one of the coup plotters stated that they have 100 members of Congress on board.

Today is the day for Navarro to show up before a grand jury, I assume reporters will be stationed around the courthouse to verify if he shows up.

DOJ has been too slow to act, the traitors acted openly, showed their plan in writing, bragged about it on national TV. We all know most of what the traitors planned, they had multiple avenues to overthrow the election.

I agree about Grassley, if he were a Democrat he would be hounded by reporters.

Fascism is fast approaching and once it gains power it won't give it up.

[kentuck]

9. This is such a huge, complex conspiracy...

Unlike any the DOJ has ever seen in its history.

(I think it was Navarro that made the comment about the number in Congress that were on board with their plan)

[3Hotdogs]

14. Reminds me of Grand-pappy Bush (Prescott Bush) who plotted to take over the government.

He was stopped by General Smedley Butler. Butler was offered the position of president in place of F.D.R. but he declined and went public with the plot.


The plot was mentioned in the N.Y. Times for a couple of days, then disappeared.

[rainy]

8. Of course! This has been the belief for some time

because of Grassley’s words about Pence not being there!

[2naSalit]

10. That lousy SOB...

Is dirtier than a freshly plowed potato field! Do not trust him any further than you can throw an anvil.

[ShazzieB]

64. Since Grassley is from Iowa, I would put it a little differently.

He's dirtier than a freshly plowed cornfield that has just been gone over with a manure spreader!

When I was in junior high, my family briefly lived at the edge of a small town, directly across the road from farmland. I will never forget the smell when they spread manure on the fields in the spring.

[2naSalit]

67. I can never get over that smell either...

And then there's silage!

[YoshidaYui]

68. This

He is another Republican Asshole, like Trump.

[YoshidaYui]

11. A Rich Republican

Asshole.

[ancianita]

12. If Navarro both confirms and widens the network of texts that Denver Riggleman et. al. found for the

Jan 6 Committee, then yes, Meadows will likely be charged as a conspirator, and he'll turn on congressional accomplices who aided and abetted, even if it wasn't publicly.

[3Hotdogs]

15. Navarro will shop up and plead the 5Th.

[kentuck]

16. Then he will have some creative excuse for why he had to take the 5th.

He fancies himself some sort of constitutional genius.

[3Hotdogs]

17. Grand juries are usually held in secret.

[malaise]

18. Several of us have asked about this

Mark my word he is going down with them

[niyad]

22. We have known about this for some time, but it bears repeating. And

don't forget that th voters in Iowa also gave us joni "breadbag" ernst.

[Mr. Ected]

23. Grassley being deemed a TRAITOR on his deathbed would be poetic justice

Wish him into the cornfield, DOJ!

[Kid Berwyn]

24. He'll feign senility.

History won’t care.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. The only one who is more senior than him in the Senate is Leahy (D)

who is the current Pro Tempore. And unfortunately (although I don't blame him given his long career), Leahy is not running again after his term is up.

But as a note - if Biden had still been in the Senate, he would have been the most senior in there (beating out even Leahy).

I'm sure Turtle was well aware of what was going on to a degree but would probably claim "plausible deniability" as a backstop if the plan failed, in order to still maintain his position. Turtle is also the most senior Republican still in there behind Assley (with Shelby right behind Turtle, although Shelby indicated he won't run again for a 7th term).

[kentuck]

26. It would be interesting to know if Turtle was aware of the plan?

And still voted to not convict after the impeachments?

That should be an automatic disqualifier for future leadership, in my opinion. In fact, it should disqualify him from being in the Senate.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. I expect some of the then-minority (D) Senate leadership might have had an inkling

e.g., Schumer and Durbin since they have been in the Senate a long time and might have cultivated some "flies on the wall" who could relay any "rumors". Whatever was going on might have been initially dismissed as "implausible" but as it was happening, I bet they were getting some of their own intel on what was going on.

[kentuck]

31. Possibly.

Many were sending their assistants and helpers out of the Capitol on that day. They suspected something.

[oldsoftie]

28. But Grassley did vote for the certification, unlike some of the other fools. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

36. All but a total of 7 GOP loons voted for certification

Congress certifies Biden’s win with more GOP support after Capitol breach

Some Republicans had a change of heart about supporting objections to swing state counts


By Lindsey McPherson
Posted January 7, 2021 at 3:41am

(snip)

Some Republicans had a change of heart about supporting objections to swing state counts after the rioting, which led to at least four deaths — a woman shot by Capitol Police and three medical emergency fatalities.

Heading into Wednesday’s joint session, 13 GOP senators and roughly 100 House Republicans had announced plans to support objections in three to six states.

An objection required support from at least one member of each chamber in order to be considered by Congress. Ultimately, only the objections to Arizona and Pennsylvania's results met that threshold. The objections were not sustained, with the votes showing that support for the challenges had dwindled.

The Senate rejected the Arizona objection by a vote of 6-93, and the Pennsylvania objection, 7-92. The House likewise did not sustain the objections, rejecting the Arizona challenge 121-303 and the Pennsylvania challenge 138-282. The joint session then resumed and counted the remaining 12 states’ votes, certifying Biden's victory.

(snip)

https://rollcall.com/2021/01/07/congress-certifies-bidens-win-with-more-gop-support-after-capitol-breach/

The 147 Republicans Who Voted to Overturn Election Results

By Karen Yourish, Larry Buchanan and Denise LuUpdated January 7, 2021

(snip)

Senate

Tommy Tuberville, Ala.

Rick Scott, Fla.

Roger Marshall, Kan.

John Kennedy, La.

Cindy Hyde-Smith, Miss.

Josh Hawley, Mo.

Ted Cruz, Texas

Cynthia Lummis, Wyo.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

[oldsoftie]

46. Damn thats a lot of House members.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. It sure as hell was - about 1/3rd of the House/Senate chamber (combined)

Many of them were elected in the teabagger wave and they have been reproducing and infesting the place ever since.

[oldsoftie]

51. Wonder how many of them will lose this cycle? Other than Cawthorn......

HA

[BumRushDaShow]

54. I wouldn't be surprised if some got primaried

for not being extreme enough.

[Texin]

34. That's been my assumption/interpretation since I first read about it.

And now, this octogenarian++ is standing for reelection yet again. And to make matters worse/more ominous, is the fact that his son is waiting in the wings to take his place.

These so-called republicans are no different - neither worse nor better - than the robber barons of the periods after the Civil War and into the Gilded Age. Crony capitalism run amok and thoroughly corrupt. Greedy to the nth degree. They want to go back to the period before The Roosevelts (Teddy and Franklin) started to bust trusts and reform the corrupted system that essentially wants to keep the masses wage-enslaved and poor. The rethugs have never wanted anything else. We may have had a period following WWII when there were some so-called good - or moderate - rethugs, but for the most part, they've never changed and they never will. They are still a part of the wealthy ruling class or they are the wannabes who will take their corporate bribes (and I include the likes of Sinema and Manchin in this foul and corrupt group).

[rsdsharp]

52. Grandson. His grandson Pat Grassley is Speaker of the Iowa House.

[Texin]

53. I stand corrected. How's this any different from the European/Asian, etc. royals?

The Ruling Royal of The U.S. That's what they've been that's what they'll always be. The great "unwashed" people are just their peons.

[bullwinkle428]

35. The room-temperature IQ voters in this state look at this as a feature, not a bug.

I've lived here nearly 35 years, so I know of which I speak, unfortunately!

[kentuck]

37. I think back to the politicians like Tom Harkin...

But you would know better than I.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. But for every Tom Harkin

there is one of these guys -

Thank goodness he got primaried and he and his shit were shoveled out of Congress.

[True Blue American]

66. Be sure Grassley"s Opponent

Brings up the fact that Grassley was one of the 3 that held up, cost is Single Payer, along with Lieberman and Max Baucus.

This time he managed to get her thrown off the ballot twice. They put her back on. His ratings are 27%.

[onecaliberal]

38. Navarro said they had over a hundred house members ready to go. Whatever that means.

They all knew. All republicans knew.

[Ohio Joe]

39. So... Lets look at what was said... And when it was said...

GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley on Tuesday generated a whirlwind of confusion among reporters and on social media after suggesting that Vice President Mike Pence would not preside over the Electoral College certification on Wednesday.

"We don't expect him to be there," Grassley, 87, initially said of Pence, per Roll Call. As president pro tempore of the Senate, or the second-highest ranking official of the chamber, Grassley suggested he would stand in for Pence.

https://www.businessinsider.com/grassley-prompts-confusion-over-pence-electoral-college-certification-2021-1

He said this on Tuesday, Jan 5th... One day before the insurrection. He would try to backtrack a short time later saying (from the same link above):

But within minutes, Grassley backtracked. "Every indication we have is that the vice president will be there," Grassley's office said, Roll Call reported.

After the confusion, Grassley's office said that the Iowa senator was simply trying to explain what would happen if Pence had to step away.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Let repeat that because it is very noteworthy IMO:

But within minutes, Grassley backtracked. "Every indication we have is that the vice president will be there," Grassley's office said, Roll Call reported.

After the confusion, Grassley's office said that the Iowa senator was simply trying to explain what would happen if Pence had to step away.

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Read that carefully... Pence is expected to be there but... Well, if he has to step away...

WTF? Why in the world would anyone think Pence might "step away" after showing up?

Bottom line... Grassley knew. No doubt he knew... He also knew Pence would "step away" in the middle of doing his job.

In and of itself this is not evidence that would hold up in court but it is one part of the evidence that will prove the insurrection in court.

[kentuck]

41. It would be good to get Grassley on the official record.

What he knew and why he thought Pence might have "to step away"?

And who had spoken to him about it?

[peggysue2]

42. I recall reading this before, several months ago

Then the story fell off the radar. Interesting that Grassley's possible involvement comes back now shortly before the January 6th revelations are presented to the nation.

Does it sound plausible?

Now that we know the fuller scope of the insurrection, yes, it does.

If the January 6th committee has hard, fast evidence of Grassley's willing participation in this scheme, it's further proof that the Republican Party is rotten to the core. Even it's oldest member was willing to prostrate himself before the Orange slug and betray the country at its most fundamental level--certifying the vote.

Disgusting!

[trof]

56. Grassley is a thick as two planks.

I don't know why they keep electing him.
But then, why did we elect 'Coach' Tommy Tuberville to the senate?
And after this next election, he'll be The Senior Senator from Alabama.


And then there's Mo Brooks.
I guess I shouldn't throw stones.

[Joinfortmill]

57. Yup, by his own admission that he would likely be doing the electoral count, he's guilty

I hope they all go down in infamy and may their names be forever linked with Seditious Conspiracy against the United States of America.

[demtenjeep]

60. wasn't there a twit or a small blip about it

before hand?

[pansypoo53219]

62. he used to better, but he went to the dark side.

[Blue Owl]

65. K&R for exposure