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Brilliant speech (Original Post) brettdale Jun 2022 OP
Making people think. ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2022 #1
My President is making me proud PlanetBev Jun 2022 #2
Heartfelt, emotional, said it all. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2022 #3
Loved the way he brought up action through the vote in the next election. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #4
Wow. Heartfelt straightforward well written well delivered. Enough!Do something Walleye Jun 2022 #5
I agree. cilla4progress Jun 2022 #6
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jun 2022 #7
No executive actions? Novara Jun 2022 #8
Might be if we win . . . Lovie777 Jun 2022 #9
What executive action do you expect him to take? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2022 #15
see below Novara Jun 2022 #20
And none of those actions SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2022 #23
Here's four. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #21
He can't SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2022 #24
Yeah. I wonder where the guy who wrote that piece got the idea GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #36
Emergency Powers Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #45
Executive orders are not a substitute for legislation. Ocelot II Jun 2022 #17
Exactly n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2022 #25
What executive actions do you think that wnylib Jun 2022 #27
Sadly nothing new. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #10
I didn't hear him take AWB cilla4progress Jun 2022 #18
You're right he didn't. I'm saying he should in order to get other things done. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #19
What other things? wnylib Jun 2022 #29
Red flag laws, raise age for semi-autos, and universal background checks... SYFROYH Jun 2022 #34
Biden mentioned those other things, too. wnylib Jun 2022 #37
By my reading, the evidence that the 1994 AWB was effective is mixed. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #46
It was very good mcar Jun 2022 #11
It was excellent. wnylib Jun 2022 #30
Gunner republicans not liking the speech. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #12
LOVE LOVE LOVE demtenjeep Jun 2022 #13
LOVE LOVE LOVE demtenjeep Jun 2022 #13
Recommended. panader0 Jun 2022 #16
I thank him for saying the words. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #22
Very sincere and very passionate but I do have a question Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #26
He wanted to appeal to the enough is enough feeling wnylib Jun 2022 #31
Hmmm... I say it's long past time. Seriously, it's been like this Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #32
This is not going to blow over this time. wnylib Jun 2022 #33
We'll see! Hope you're right! 10, 9, 8, 7, 6....... Were at 6 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #39
I do feel that this time is going to wnylib Jun 2022 #41
Bingo. GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #38
Yup. Why IMHO it is LONG past time to call them out !!! Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #40
You said it earlier. People don't understand. GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #42
Exactly!!!! High time, long past time, we made that perfectly Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #43
Assertive. Commanding. Sincere. Fla Dem Jun 2022 #28
I'm so glad to hear this. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2022 #35
Great point. When I lived in CA for a short time you would Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2022 #44

cilla4progress

(24,738 posts)
6. I agree.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jun 2022

Very strong, impassioned.

Rs are such idiots who claim he is mentally aged. For Joe, age has only improved him. He has no effs left to give!

Unfortunately, with the R and Putin hold on Congress, I don't expect to see anything from it.

What have we become?

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
15. What executive action do you expect him to take?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:07 PM
Jun 2022

What executive action could he take that would make any difference?

We need legislation, and the POTUS made a strong call for that.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
23. And none of those actions
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:23 PM
Jun 2022

would have made any difference in the mass shootings that have been happening.

Kid Berwyn

(14,913 posts)
21. Here's four.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jun 2022
America is losing its soul to guns, but our politicians don't seem to care

Mike Kelly
May 25, 2022, NorthJersey.com

Excerpt…

One possible executive order, for example, is for Biden to ban the sale of military-style assault rifles to civilians for at least six months while the federal government assesses the overall problem.

Another is to impose a one-year waiting period on sales of so-called assault guns to give police and others the opportunity to examine why someone might want to purchase such a firearm.

Yet another is a nationwide ban on large capacity magazines that allow mass killers to keep firing military-style assault rifles without reloading.

And finally, how about a ban on the sale of military-style body armor to civilians?

Continues…

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2022/05/25/texas-shooting-joe-biden-us-gun-control-laws/9930319002/

Ocelot II

(115,743 posts)
17. Executive orders are not a substitute for legislation.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:16 PM
Jun 2022

They are used to manage the resources of the executive branch or set policies for executive branch agencies to follow. Since outlawing or regulating guns is clearly a legislative branch action - as it would require the expenditure of funds, which only the Congress can approve, the president does not have the power to do it by executive order.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
10. Sadly nothing new.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:53 PM
Jun 2022

He could have tried to change the game but taking AWB off the table, even if he wants it, to focus on the things that are more possible.


Once again he starts off by saying he doesn't want to take away anyone's guns, but then says he wants to ban some guns.


It feels like 2013 all over again.

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
19. You're right he didn't. I'm saying he should in order to get other things done.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:18 PM
Jun 2022

And those other things would probably have a bigger impact on gun violence.

wnylib

(21,497 posts)
29. What other things?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:36 PM
Jun 2022

Taking guns away - only assault rifles. There are many other guns besides that, so what's the beef?

SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
34. Red flag laws, raise age for semi-autos, and universal background checks...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:57 PM
Jun 2022

....will probably save more lives than an AWB.

There isn't overwhelming support for an AWB, but other things have more support.





wnylib

(21,497 posts)
37. Biden mentioned those other things, too.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:58 PM
Jun 2022

Other sources report different figures for support of an assault weapons ban:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/05/senate-state-bias-filibuster-blocking-gun-control-legislation/638425/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/poll-most-voters-support-assault-weapons-ban-1452586

The previous ban, which Republicans allowed to expire, did make a difference. So did letting it expire.

I don't know why you oppose an AWB, but Biden made some good points about why we should do it. And I fully agree with him.







SYFROYH

(34,172 posts)
46. By my reading, the evidence that the 1994 AWB was effective is mixed.
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jun 2022

And it always seems a bit cooked by either the pro-gun or anti-gun side.

Will it reduce some deaths, maybe, but there will be a price to pay come election time, just like in 1994 and the ascendency of Newt.

I'd rather take the AWB off the table and work on other things that will reduce gun deaths.



wnylib

(21,497 posts)
30. It was excellent.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:43 PM
Jun 2022

He laid out the reasons for gun control in a moving description of the level of violence and the realities of what the shootings do to human bodies. He gave specific reforms that should be done, and he reminded legislators that the people are so fed up that it could be a voting issue this year.

All bases covered. Very moving speech. I felt pride and relief that he was taking a strong, committed stand. Cheered him on as I listened.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Very sincere and very passionate but I do have a question
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:30 PM
Jun 2022

I kept waiting for him to lay it out as to what is holding us back with sensible gun control. Who knows maybe people don't understand. Why leave it to wondering? "Here is where we stand now, Democrats have supported almost every measure. Republicans have not. We need x number of votes from Republicans to pass sensible gun reform. As you know the Senate is tied 50/50. If you care please call your Republican senator?". Something like that.

wnylib

(21,497 posts)
31. He wanted to appeal to the enough is enough feeling
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:57 PM
Jun 2022

that we all have right now instead of making it a political speech. He did mention that it was Republicans who let the previous assault weapons ban expire.

I think he was wise not to lay out Republicans vs. Democrats in this speech. Not the right timing or appeal at this time. Plenty of time to make those points when the Senate wrangling begins.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. Hmmm... I say it's long past time. Seriously, it's been like this
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jun 2022

for many many years. The R's are just waiting for it to blow over, which it sadly will. Just ask the Parkland Florida school kids who banded together to lobby for control!

Enough IS enough! We've got only a very short window.

wnylib

(21,497 posts)
33. This is not going to blow over this time.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 09:20 PM
Jun 2022

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Too many angry people. Buffalo, Uvalde, and Tulsa within 2 weeks. Nationwide March For Our Lives protests coming up on June 11. More angry people speaking out now than ever before.

wnylib

(21,497 posts)
41. I do feel that this time is going to
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:25 PM
Jun 2022

bring some changes. Maybe not enough, but something will be done besides just talk.

I am hearing it everywhere, at the library, drug store, supermarket. Of course, I live in western NY, still reeling from the Buffalo massacre, so that might be part of the reason. But I am not in Buffalo. I am in a small city surrounded by rural red voters and a right wing County government. But people here are angry and committed to an assault ban and national gun safety laws.

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
38. Bingo.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:59 PM
Jun 2022

Amidst all the passion, the fact remains that Republicans are creating this problem all on their own and until that is dealt with by the voters, nothing worthwhile is going to be done and nothing is going to change that will prevent the kinds of shootings we have all witnessed this week.

GoodRaisin

(8,924 posts)
42. You said it earlier. People don't understand.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:35 PM
Jun 2022

They must be made to understand that this issue comes down to a binary choice. Either elect enough Democrats or live with the murders. It can’t be both ways. Every vote for a Republican is a vote for the murders to go on. Democrats want to fix this, Republicans don’t. Cold hard fact.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
43. Exactly!!!! High time, long past time, we made that perfectly
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jun 2022

clear, down to naming names. JHC nothing else has worked.

Fla Dem

(23,693 posts)
28. Assertive. Commanding. Sincere.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:36 PM
Jun 2022

Happy he laid the discontinuance of the machine gun ban right at the feet of the Rethugs.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
35. I'm so glad to hear this.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:31 PM
Jun 2022

I missed it. The 9:00 pm EST is best as most west coasters are home by 6 pm.

Although... maybe he was aiming for central time dwellers. We out here are already there!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. Great point. When I lived in CA for a short time you would
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 11:43 PM
Jun 2022

wake up and half the world news had already happened.

Who knows what goes into the machinations about when to preempt. Probably lots. But agree, could have been at least an hour later.

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