Sir, I have seen what an AK15 can do.

[sheshe2]

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Every GOP member of both houses should be forced to watch videos of all the corpses, children and adults.

Then the question should be asked how they would act if one of them were theirs. Your child, niece, nephew, mom or dad, grandmother, grandfather, friend or neighbor.

Make them watch before they vote. Have them vote after they answer that question.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. Which is why photos of the children really need to be published.

Oh, and if DNA was required to identify them, then surely the photos won't be identifiable to a particular kid.

[wnylib]

2. Even without being able to specifically

identify individual kids, I sure hope that none of the relatives, neighbors, or friends of those kids would ever see those photos flashed on a screen in front of them, or on the front page of a newspaper or magazine. It would drive home the carnage to them, too, which they sure as hell don't need.

Imagine seeing the carnage and knowing that your 10 year old child is in that mess and went through that horror. Imagine seeing body parts and wondering which ones belong to your kid. Or recognizing a pair of socks or a torn and bloodied shirt as your son's, even though you can't see the rest of him.

Show the pictures to Congress, yes. But not where any relatives might see them.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. They can be published in a way that someone would

have to click on a link to see them, so no one would see such pictures unintentionally.

[wnylib]

7. Sure, and no one would print them out, of course.

And no print media would would get hold of them, right?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. You have a point.

But the more important point is that people have no clue the destruction done by bullets from an AK15 or whatever. People need to see that.

People think that shootings result in calm deaths with no terrible effects, because that's how it's shown on TV or in movies. The reality is so different, and that needs to be out there.

And yes, if my child were killed that way I'd be the first to want his body shown.

Keep in mind that Emmet Till's mother had an open coffin so that people could see exactly what was done to her son.

[LT Barclay]

18. She was incredably brave to do so. If the relatives agreed, it might help, but as far as GOP goes..

I think closed house and senate hearings would be in order. They do it for classified materials.

[wnylib]

20. I understand the idea of graphic photos

to drive home the reality of these massacres.

Emmet Till's mother was angry enough to want the world to see what had happened to her son. Not many people can reach the anger stage of grief so soon after a death that they can deal with having an open casket. But as a Black mother living with hatred around her, and with threats and fears for her son, I am guessing that anger was not far from the surface when he was murdered.

I also remember Jackie Kennedy refusing to change out of her blood stained suit when she was photographed next to Johnson being sworn in. She said that she wanted people to see the results of what had been done to her husband.

Those women were exceptions. Not many people are able to deal with loss that way. Consider 19 children, 38 parents and 2 or 3 siblings for each child. More than 50 people. How many of the 38 parents are able to deal with the publication of their child's mutilated body? Even if they don't see the pics, they know that others are gawking at them. And the siblings?

You don't know what you would do if it was your child. Nobody does until it happens. Have you ever lost someone close to you from a gunshot? I have. I never saw photos of the scene and even today, after more than 30 years, I would not want to see them.

I'm sure you have heard of what Alex Jones and the conspiracy theorists did to the parents of the Sandy Hook children. I heard a program tonight about it, told by the father who started the lawsuit against Jones. He described horrific harassment online and in person, which included marked up and defaced photos of his son. He was accused of being paid to go along with a staged, fake massacre. The perpetrators did this to other Sandy Hook parents, too.

On the same program, a husband and wife who had lost their son in a different shooting told how they were harrassed online, in person, on phone calls and e-mails all while they were trying to heal. This couple now travels to mass shooting sites to offer support and an ear to other grieving people. Someone who has been there can understand better than anyone else. At each place, they prepare the grieving relatives for the onslaught of the hate-filled conspiracy theorists and advise them not to post photos or look at the ugly Facebook accusations.

Imagine what those people would do with photos of the Uvalde massacre. Sending photos to the families along with crazy accusations, using the photos to spread BS about the dead children and their families.

Publishing photos of the crime scene would do more harm than good.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

27. I have not lost a child to a shooting.

I would like to think I'd have the courage to allow pictures of my child to be put out there.

My real point is that by never showing just what the guns do, people get to think that the children die essentially unharmed. The reality is they are terribly damaged. As in needing DNA to figure out which child belongs to which parents. That should not be acceptable. That should alert everyone to how terrible this is. By not showing any photos, the damage is glossed over.

Worrying about what nutcases would do entirely misses the point. The nutcases will always be there, sadly. Not showing the real damage glosses over what actually happens.

[wnylib]

29. I am not disputing the fact that such

photos might drive home the realism of massacres to the general population. I am just pointing out what publishing those photos can do to the families of the dead children whose lives have already been turned upside down and inside out. The pain will never go away for them. Not ever. Photos would not just rub salt into a wound. They would be the same as gouging into a wound with a sharp metal object and preventing it from even scarring over enough for them to cope.

Once published they would be forever in the public domain for the children of the dead teachers, and the siblings of the dead children to be re-traumatized over and over. The parents of Columbine, Sandy Hook, and Parkland would see their children in those photos. So would the people who were survivors of those other shootings. I just can't advocate such horrific cruelty to those people for an action that might or might not achieve a goal. Not when there are other ways to the goal of ending these massacres.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

34. Never ever seeing what those guns and bullets do to small bodies

makes it far too easy to be in blissful ignorance.

When someone gets shot in a TV show or movie, it's really quite nice and neat, although blood is usually shown. But not the carnage that the bullet creates.

The very fact that DNA was needed to identify some of the bodies is a clue that some pictures could be published and no one would have any idea which specific person is shown.

[wnylib]

36. Have you seen the Meidas video

about the shootings that uses still pics, gunshots in the background, and the names of the various school shootings? It is on another thread and I think it is called Republican School Day.

Very powerful and effectively shows the fear and sounds of a shooting without photos of dead bodies.

I think you could find it in the videos forum.

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this.

[wnylib]

38. Here is a Meidas video that is just

as effective and realistic without using pics of mangled children.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017740156

[CrispyQ]

32. Maybe one of the Sandy Hook parents would be willing.

Considering that their children should be entering high school & not a damned thing has been done about guns & mass shootings.

I get your point, I do, but there is this, too: https://democraticunderground.com/100216756222

[wnylib]

37. I think that the people who

want these pics published are sincere in wanting to make the general public face the reality of shootings instead of discussing them as an academic or abstract topic. I get that.

But at the same time, pushing for the publication of the pics treats the families as if they were abstract being a whose pain and feelings just get in the way of get what they want to do. Try applying the same realism and feeling for the pain that the families are going through.

[wnylib]

39. Consider this video as an alternative

to publishing mangled body pics.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017740156

[Funtatlaguy]

3. All it takes is for one victims family to agree to showing them.

And for one media outlet to agree to publish or air them.

[Abolishinist]

4. I disagree. Any pictures of them should be prior to death,

showing how unique and wonderful each of them was. Those who care about the lives of children in particular and people in general will continue to do so regardless of any such photos... personally, I don't want to see them.

The dumb, stupid, ignorant, immoral, anti-democracy evangelical reich-wing white trash MAGA scum couldn't care less about such pictures. Their only response would be that the kids should have been armed.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. The prior to death photos are already published.

The carnage done to their bodies needs to be shown.

I think a lot of gun apologists simply have no idea the horrific damage done by guns. And that needs to be shown. It really does.

It can easily be shown in a way that people won't just see it unwittingly, but would need to click on a link for it.

Remember that among the reasons public support of the war in Vietnam went away was that people got to see the carnage every single night on the news. Maybe if people actually saw the carnage of these shootings, then support of gun ownership would go away.

[orleans]

25. you said "personally, I don't want to see them."

honesty, i don't want to see them either.

but america has been looking at pictures of happy, beautiful children that have been massacred and they go from the happy photo to the funeral service. the collective american brain just kind of skips over the massacred part because it's just too fucking horrific to even think about.

the collective american brain doesn't want to think about the gory details, doesn't want to hear the details, and certainly doesn't want to see it.

if you don't see it you can keep pretending it isn't that bad, yes it's bad but not THAT bad.

[BigmanPigman]

8. GQP supporters don't give a shit.

They go through life with blinders on...until it actually happens to them.

They are psychopaths in every way. There is no cure for them. They are truly sick. The only way to have any real impact on them is if their own loved one got killed. That is how extremely dangerous these cretins are.

[sheshe2]

13. That is exactly the point I am making.

The only way to have any real impact on them is if their own loved one got killed.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. Publish. Sorry, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

We are talking about future generations of the “many” as well.

[calimary]

11. It may take something that drastic.

That’d be one WHALE of a reality check.

[Lithos]

12. If you can't recognize the body or the face

Does this not create a degree of anonymity and protection for the family? I would be more inclined to blur out the body and clothing as that is likely where most of the identification would happen.

The family of Emmit Till purposefully had an open casket funeral and invited people to come attend as a way of showing the brutality. It was one of the shocking events which helped turn the nation against the KKK. It needs to happen again.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. K n R...

...with tears and sad agreement.

[3catwoman3]

15. Take those miscreant legislators to the autopsy rooms...

…or mortuaries and make them stand there and stare at those mangled little bodies until they puke or faint.

[calimary]

16. Yep. NO mercy. FACE what you keep voting to protect.

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This is YOUR vote on guns, Republicans. THIS is what you’re FOR.

Needs to be that blunt.

[sheshe2]

19. They need to watch.

Like the scene in Clockwork Orange. Strapped to a chair, eyes held open and watching the terror over and over. In the end show the images to everyone in our two houses. Show the deniers their own families. Show their loved ones faces and ask them how they would vote for their own. Choice, an AK15 for all or do you love your family more than your guns.

[calimary]

26. Yes, looks like it's time they do.

PAST time they did.

WELL-PAST time they had to.

[G_j]

17. very tough question

one would think that would be absolutely unacceptable, though something absolutely must be done. Perhaps they could be shown in a physical setting, where minors and phones are not allowed.

[quakerboy]

21. I have a question

If the AK and AR are both "interstate highways through the organs" that are so automatically disfiguring, why do the vast majority of our soldiers survive modern war where the enemy is, I assume, using exactly these weapons?


Bullets are not good for bodies. We need to stop letting them meet.

[sheshe2]

24. They don't.

[quakerboy]

31. Ive been told they do

My understanding is that the vast majority of US war injuries no longer result in death due to a lot of improvements in battlefield medicine. I could be wrong, but thats what ive been told and read over the past 10 years.

[Blue Owl]

22. Pick a side, fuckos

[myohmy2]

23. it's time...

...for a reality gut check in this country...let's see what an AR-15 style weapon does to a human body...

...I could give two shits about a viewer's sensibilities if the parents or relatives would allow the publishing of such photos...

...let those with a squeamish gut puke hard and long then remember the next time they vote...

...Americans are being regularly slaughtered and nobody seems to give a fuck...

...just lip-service and bullshit...

...this has got to end...

...

[TreasonousBastard]

28. No one here is trying to change minds that will not be changed...

but there is a huge population out there that has little or no familiarity with these weapons, or death itself. They sort of get it but don't feel the outrage.

They must be outraged enough to stop it.

[sanatanadharma]

30. Consider Americans' blood and gore TV viewing appetite

CSI, police, crime, and criminals TV programs are very popular.
Although such TV show interest is not new, the blood and gore are.
The makeup-props-producers people are constantly improving their ability to send ever more realistic blood, gore, burned, torn, ripped, mutilated flesh body pictures to the TV's of American homes.

Apparently there exists a desire among TV viewers to see such imagery. I think blood lust is born from eating sentient animals.

I see such morality-mangling entertainment when channel flipping but will not watch. I am a vegetarian.

[Kaleva]

33. Much depends on what the AR-15 style gun is chambered to fire

The wounds suffered by someone shot by an AR-15 style chambered to fire a .22 LR rimfire would be vastly different then the wound suffered by a victim shot by an AR-15 style chambered for 12 guage shotgun shells.

[Bonx]

35. Automatic AK15's should be immediately outlawed.