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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHmmm. Firearm Mortality by State per CDC
The redder the state, the higher the mortality rate. Notice that the lowest rates are on the left coast and New York (tougher gun laws). Hmmmmm.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)Probatim
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(43,182 posts)Model35mech
(1,540 posts)depression and poverty. We already know that urban areas trend higher in gun violence while rural areas tend to trend higher in suicides.
While interesting from a conversational view, presentation of the data homogenized across an entire state is geographically much simplified. Without county level, or precinct level resolution that can be misleading with respect to correlating firearm mortality and political sentiment. Even in red states, urban areas tend to have larger proportions of populations that vote democratic.
anarch
(6,535 posts)then you might have to look at some of the "suicide by cop" scenarios too...and then again also, really any mass-shooting kind of thing where the killer expects to go out in a blaze of glory fighting the cops could also be considered to be a suicide.
I dunno, perhaps we should look for some kind of way to improve the material conditions of people's lives.
Model35mech
(1,540 posts)there is an -undeniable- need for an increase in access to mental health care to help mitigate against gun suicides.
Unfortunately, when republicans and democrats talk about homicides and mental illness they are talking past each other.
Republicans want to 'blame the crazy evil doers', while Democrats tend to overlook the connection between mental disorders and suicide in favor of moving the narrative to psycho-social stressors of existing inequity that produce criminally unacceptable behaviors.
There have been studies done on this topic. Swedish journals have tended to lead on the publication of studies in that area over the past 30 years. Study cohorts composed of people with even the most serious mental disorders associated with violence have a rate of violence only 2-3 percent higher when compared to Americans at large which is only about 6 and a half percent of the seriously mentally ill in the study period. Which is really surprising considering how dominant angst against 'the evil crazies' is in America.
And often overlooked is a dirty little secret, most violent acts by mentally disordered persons (mostly men) occur in prisons, under the care of people who aren't trained or politically oriented to see them as something more than evil crazies, corrections staff who out of fear or privilege act in threatening and violent ways toward inmates with serious mental disorders (something of a circular feedback loop, if you ask me).
Publications on mentally ill in prison is where the term 'psychopath' and sociopath dominate. Psychologists have mostly purged the diagnoses of psychopath or sociopath in their lexicon. But you still find it in books used to train corrections officers.
But sad as it is to say, it is prison, with it's very limited skill set to deal with mental disorders where most men with mental disorders find an institution that will try to care for them. Gender bias is still a huge problem in mental illness. Women with very similarly unacceptable symptoms are placed in institutional care, while men are placed in prison, mostly because men are scarier in the perception of 'the system'.
I believe there are many types of mass shooting based on the motivations and solutions that the shooters expect: consider that
shooting up a post-office and the employees of a martinet supervisor and accomplice bullying co-workers who mistreated a shooter is different than
a gun-powered skirmish over gang territory which is different than
a shooting of Amish children in a one-room Pennsylvania school house
which is different than a radicalized doctor shooting up a group of soldiers at an Army clinic at a fort in Texas.
How bad is our understanding of the problem?? The FBI doesn't even have a standard definition for mass killings. Media outlets and advocacy groups are the sources for competing definitions.
And when we go into the published record of mass shootings, it often ends in a dead shooter, less than 40% of gun homicides have a known hooter. If you don't know the shooter, you can't know the mental status of that shooter. So as a reporter, you lean on relatives and shallow associates to the shooter and press questions about loners, and unusual social behavioer, drug use etc. And what you get is answers from people who are EMBARRASSED by their association with shooter and looking to clear their own reputations. Very useful, not. Though, that never seems to shut the mouths of the mass who JUST KNOW(!) it must be an 'evil crazy person.'
Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)The urban areas tend to be democratic and the rural areas tend to be republiQan. And yet the state is one of the lowest in firearm deaths per capita.
Hmmm... Let's think... What, then, could account for that?
I guess we'll never know.
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)Based on statistics from 538 for 2016, the firearm mortality rate for white males seems to say that a white male is 7-8 times more likely to die from a firearm suicide than from a firearm homicide. It would be interesting to see more modern data, but the pattern probably has not changed dramatically. Oddly enough, the primary victims of those buying guns seems to be those buying the guns. Although not as extreme, it seems to bear some - though less dramatic - resemblance to the tobacco issues of the past, where an industry has badly abused its client based with substantial collateral damage.
Interestingly, suicide in the US seems to be substantially correlated with being a white male. Per capita murder is also higher in rural areas by about half, although one wonders about the statistics. The white male US suicide rate is, or near, the highest in the developed world. Combined with alcohol, drugs, and other "deaths of despair", this group seems to be steadily reducing its share of representation in the House of Representatives.
harumph
(1,902 posts)IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)but lower if you sort by the death rate. They have a large population.
IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)if you sort by death rate
3Hotdogs
(12,391 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,759 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,391 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,759 posts)duhneece
(4,113 posts)Id have to dig because we dont match other high-gun-mortality states.
littlemissmartypants
(22,692 posts)Since at that time, it was revealed that the USA had not been saving ANY data on guns deaths in America.
The menu is fairly easy to use.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
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papa3times
(150 posts)going to strike down all gun laws in the U.S. It will be guns for all everywhere and anywhere except where the elites hang out. The more gun deaths and destruction the better because freedom or whatever their is floating in their demented minds at the moment.
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)for this fascist court.
First order if business ought to be to defund their security details
dlk
(11,569 posts)Safety regulation is not infringement, despite propaganda to the contrary.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I know it's a red state and along with Idaho has a large prepper population, but it looks like they're settling their differences by shooting each other, always.
I guess that's where all the "real men" live, and "real men" shoot each other.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Two thirds of all gun deaths are suicides.
Their murder rate is fairly low - about 32nd in the nation.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)just move instead?
Suicide is a permanent solution to what are usually temporary problems.
Sad. Maybe they should try being Democrats for awhile. Being a republican must be depressing, but just switch parties and change your attitude. It beats killing yourself.
hack89
(39,171 posts)It is not a simple thing to figure out or to solve.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I assumed, like many others, that the small farmer was a thing of the past, that large corporate farms were the only ones remaining.
These are truly forgotten people, and I feel like an ass with my "just move" comment. 😔
He would be far better off as a Democrat though, so that part I'll stick with.
Thanks for posting that. It's opened up my eyes to side of life I never considered, and that's truly a part of my knowledge I need to work on.
hack89
(39,171 posts)snot
(10,530 posts)the ratio of deaths-to-gun per state, which might help shed light on how effective the gun laws in each state are.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Hassler
(3,379 posts)Door. Wyoming, an enormous state with the smallest population is the most dangerous. The deep South is a kill zone.