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Hmmm. Firearm Mortality by State per CDC (Original Post) rateyes Jun 2022 OP
K&R, when idiots have easy access to mass kill weapons they use them to slaughter Americans uponit7771 Jun 2022 #1
It's a war of attrition but the Maginot Lines are blurred /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #2
MAGAnot Lines? Probatim Jun 2022 #5
Good one! /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #7
I suspect firearm mortality includes suicides, also known to be associated with Model35mech Jun 2022 #3
if I remember correctly, the majority of gun deaths are indeed suicides anarch Jun 2022 #4
Yes, and as depression is the most common mental disorder Model35mech Jun 2022 #30
I believe New York has a rather large urban area and enormous amounts of rural areas. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #11
Amongst white males GeoWilliam750 Jun 2022 #17
Texas isn't even in the top 25. harumph Jun 2022 #6
They are number 1 for number of deaths IronLionZion Jun 2022 #9
Lowest rates are Hawaii and the Northeast IronLionZion Jun 2022 #8
What else do the state in dark red have in common? 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #10
Denial? twodogsbarking Jun 2022 #12
Hint: What party controls their state gub'mints? 3Hotdogs Jun 2022 #13
Well, that too. twodogsbarking Jun 2022 #16
But not New Mexico duhneece Jun 2022 #19
Here's the comprehensive archive which was started after Sandy Hook ... littlemissmartypants Jun 2022 #14
The Supreme Court is papa3times Jun 2022 #15
I am about it the "they made their ruling, let them enforce it" point maxrandb Jun 2022 #20
People with guns kill people... dlk Jun 2022 #18
What's up with Wyoming? SergeStorms Jun 2022 #21
The highest sucide rate in the country hack89 Jun 2022 #22
Wow. Why not.... SergeStorms Jun 2022 #24
Here is an interesting analysis of the issue hack89 Jun 2022 #27
Very revealing. SergeStorms Jun 2022 #28
Happy to help. nt hack89 Jun 2022 #29
I'd be curious also to see snot Jun 2022 #23
But you can't trunst the CDC because ... MASKS and FAUCI!11!! progressoid Jun 2022 #25
Hawaii is the safest. It pays to have strong gun safety regulations and not have an Indiana next Hassler Jun 2022 #26

Model35mech

(1,540 posts)
3. I suspect firearm mortality includes suicides, also known to be associated with
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 07:45 AM
Jun 2022

depression and poverty. We already know that urban areas trend higher in gun violence while rural areas tend to trend higher in suicides.

While interesting from a conversational view, presentation of the data homogenized across an entire state is geographically much simplified. Without county level, or precinct level resolution that can be misleading with respect to correlating firearm mortality and political sentiment. Even in red states, urban areas tend to have larger proportions of populations that vote democratic.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
4. if I remember correctly, the majority of gun deaths are indeed suicides
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 07:49 AM
Jun 2022

then you might have to look at some of the "suicide by cop" scenarios too...and then again also, really any mass-shooting kind of thing where the killer expects to go out in a blaze of glory fighting the cops could also be considered to be a suicide.

I dunno, perhaps we should look for some kind of way to improve the material conditions of people's lives.

Model35mech

(1,540 posts)
30. Yes, and as depression is the most common mental disorder
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jun 2022

there is an -undeniable- need for an increase in access to mental health care to help mitigate against gun suicides.

Unfortunately, when republicans and democrats talk about homicides and mental illness they are talking past each other.

Republicans want to 'blame the crazy evil doers', while Democrats tend to overlook the connection between mental disorders and suicide in favor of moving the narrative to psycho-social stressors of existing inequity that produce criminally unacceptable behaviors.

There have been studies done on this topic. Swedish journals have tended to lead on the publication of studies in that area over the past 30 years. Study cohorts composed of people with even the most serious mental disorders associated with violence have a rate of violence only 2-3 percent higher when compared to Americans at large which is only about 6 and a half percent of the seriously mentally ill in the study period. Which is really surprising considering how dominant angst against 'the evil crazies' is in America.

And often overlooked is a dirty little secret, most violent acts by mentally disordered persons (mostly men) occur in prisons, under the care of people who aren't trained or politically oriented to see them as something more than evil crazies, corrections staff who out of fear or privilege act in threatening and violent ways toward inmates with serious mental disorders (something of a circular feedback loop, if you ask me).

Publications on mentally ill in prison is where the term 'psychopath' and sociopath dominate. Psychologists have mostly purged the diagnoses of psychopath or sociopath in their lexicon. But you still find it in books used to train corrections officers.

But sad as it is to say, it is prison, with it's very limited skill set to deal with mental disorders where most men with mental disorders find an institution that will try to care for them. Gender bias is still a huge problem in mental illness. Women with very similarly unacceptable symptoms are placed in institutional care, while men are placed in prison, mostly because men are scarier in the perception of 'the system'.

I believe there are many types of mass shooting based on the motivations and solutions that the shooters expect: consider that

shooting up a post-office and the employees of a martinet supervisor and accomplice bullying co-workers who mistreated a shooter is different than

a gun-powered skirmish over gang territory which is different than

a shooting of Amish children in a one-room Pennsylvania school house

which is different than a radicalized doctor shooting up a group of soldiers at an Army clinic at a fort in Texas.

How bad is our understanding of the problem?? The FBI doesn't even have a standard definition for mass killings. Media outlets and advocacy groups are the sources for competing definitions.

And when we go into the published record of mass shootings, it often ends in a dead shooter, less than 40% of gun homicides have a known hooter. If you don't know the shooter, you can't know the mental status of that shooter. So as a reporter, you lean on relatives and shallow associates to the shooter and press questions about loners, and unusual social behavioer, drug use etc. And what you get is answers from people who are EMBARRASSED by their association with shooter and looking to clear their own reputations. Very useful, not. Though, that never seems to shut the mouths of the mass who JUST KNOW(!) it must be an 'evil crazy person.'

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
11. I believe New York has a rather large urban area and enormous amounts of rural areas.
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:08 AM
Jun 2022

The urban areas tend to be democratic and the rural areas tend to be republiQan. And yet the state is one of the lowest in firearm deaths per capita.

Hmmm... Let's think... What, then, could account for that?

I guess we'll never know.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
17. Amongst white males
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 09:00 AM
Jun 2022
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/

Based on statistics from 538 for 2016, the firearm mortality rate for white males seems to say that a white male is 7-8 times more likely to die from a firearm suicide than from a firearm homicide. It would be interesting to see more modern data, but the pattern probably has not changed dramatically. Oddly enough, the primary victims of those buying guns seems to be those buying the guns. Although not as extreme, it seems to bear some - though less dramatic - resemblance to the tobacco issues of the past, where an industry has badly abused its client based with substantial collateral damage.

Interestingly, suicide in the US seems to be substantially correlated with being a white male. Per capita murder is also higher in rural areas by about half, although one wonders about the statistics. The white male US suicide rate is, or near, the highest in the developed world. Combined with alcohol, drugs, and other "deaths of despair", this group seems to be steadily reducing its share of representation in the House of Representatives.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
9. They are number 1 for number of deaths
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:05 AM
Jun 2022

but lower if you sort by the death rate. They have a large population.

littlemissmartypants

(22,692 posts)
14. Here's the comprehensive archive which was started after Sandy Hook ...
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:20 AM
Jun 2022

Since at that time, it was revealed that the USA had not been saving ANY data on guns deaths in America.

The menu is fairly easy to use.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/


❤ pants

papa3times

(150 posts)
15. The Supreme Court is
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:34 AM
Jun 2022

going to strike down all gun laws in the U.S. It will be guns for all everywhere and anywhere except where the elites hang out. The more gun deaths and destruction the better because freedom or whatever their is floating in their demented minds at the moment.

maxrandb

(15,334 posts)
20. I am about it the "they made their ruling, let them enforce it" point
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 10:01 AM
Jun 2022

for this fascist court.

First order if business ought to be to defund their security details

dlk

(11,569 posts)
18. People with guns kill people...
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 09:44 AM
Jun 2022

Safety regulation is not infringement, despite propaganda to the contrary.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
21. What's up with Wyoming?
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 10:17 AM
Jun 2022

I know it's a red state and along with Idaho has a large prepper population, but it looks like they're settling their differences by shooting each other, always.

I guess that's where all the "real men" live, and "real men" shoot each other.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
24. Wow. Why not....
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 01:31 PM
Jun 2022

just move instead?

Suicide is a permanent solution to what are usually temporary problems.

Sad. Maybe they should try being Democrats for awhile. Being a republican must be depressing, but just switch parties and change your attitude. It beats killing yourself.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
28. Very revealing.
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 04:30 PM
Jun 2022

I assumed, like many others, that the small farmer was a thing of the past, that large corporate farms were the only ones remaining.

These are truly forgotten people, and I feel like an ass with my "just move" comment. 😔

He would be far better off as a Democrat though, so that part I'll stick with.

Thanks for posting that. It's opened up my eyes to side of life I never considered, and that's truly a part of my knowledge I need to work on.

snot

(10,530 posts)
23. I'd be curious also to see
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 12:10 PM
Jun 2022

the ratio of deaths-to-gun per state, which might help shed light on how effective the gun laws in each state are.

Hassler

(3,379 posts)
26. Hawaii is the safest. It pays to have strong gun safety regulations and not have an Indiana next
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 02:35 PM
Jun 2022

Door. Wyoming, an enormous state with the smallest population is the most dangerous. The deep South is a kill zone.

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