Bill of Rights, (including 2nd Amendment...) 1791. I don't think founders of U.S.A. would have

[Stuart G]

written 2nd Amendment if they knew what was going to happen 200 years later.

....I think those founders had any idea that guns would be so easy to get by so many people. If they had
known, they would have worded it differently. Yes, the founders were very intelligent, and they
had no idea what could happen. (At least that is my opinion

[Walleye]

1. They didn't even have modern bullets at that point, right?

[hack89]

3. They were worse

Soft lead bullets are now a war crime.

[yagotme]

4. "Modern" for that day and age, yes.

A semi auto weapon had been invented, also. Members of the militia had to provide their rifle, ammo, bayonet, etc, for drills. If one had money, one could also buy a cannon.

[Walleye]

9. That's interesting. Sure there's people who would own a cannon today if they could

[yagotme]

10. You CAN own a cannon today.

Black powder, just takes $. Modern, you have to apply for a Form 4 from the ATF (Destructive device), pay the tax, wait the several month long period, and upon approval, you can take possession of it. The ammo would also be taxed/permitted, which would make it a very expensive hobby, as you would burn a couple thousand dollars each time you pulled the lanyard, but it IS feasible. 1934 Firearms Act.

[Walleye]

11. Fortunately it's kind of hard to carry them around on your belt

We used to make gunpowder when we were kids. Until my cousin burnt his eyebrows off and we were forbidden. Always somebody to screw things up, right?

[yagotme]

13. Only takes one...

But, if you have an enclosed vehicle, (Suburban, Explorer, etc.) you could rig a mount for your cannon in the back, and carry it concealed that way...

[Walleye]

14. OK that made me laugh, thanks

[yagotme]

16. Y/W

[hack89]

2. If they knew that gays could marry, women could vote and abortion was legal

Could you imagine how restrictive the constitution would have been? Perhaps their foresight in trusting future generations was well placed.

[A HERETIC I AM]

19. Abortion WAS legal back then.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/15/abortion-history-founders-alito/

If you Google “abortion in 18th century America”
You should be able to find a free version of this article.

[yagotme]

5. Being in a militia, you were REQUIRED to possess arms.

Rifle, bayonet, ammo, etc.

[Stuart G]

6. There were NO.." POLICE FORCES " in 1791

[yagotme]

8. I'm not sure where you read "Police Forces" into my reply,

but volunteers, militia, etc, worked at local policing during that time frame.

[gladium et scutum]

24. not quite accurate

civilian made weapons did not have the capability to take a bayonet. Only military manufactured weapons had a bayonet lug.

[yagotme]

27. Let me borrow your title: not quite accurate

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/bayonets-revolutionary-war-archaeology

"The bayonets were of various makes and manufactures, reflecting the army’s hodgepodge state. More than two years into the war, George Washington’s army was still cobbled together, a mishmash of militias who supplied their own materials and weapons. The bayonets also show evidence of modification—someone had tried to fit them to muskets they weren’t intended for. (At the time, bayonets and muskets were designed to go together, so a British bayonet would not fit a French musket.)"

[H2O Man]

7. Recommended.

I try to keep it simple: they surely did not intend on protecting the "rights" of the human shitstains in Buffalo or the Texas school. Most pro-gun people understand that, and are far more likely to support efforts to keep those humans from accessing guns, than to debate if Amendment 2 is valid.

[Tree Lady]

12. My daughter was saying just today

The only weapon they had that killed mass people when it was written was the canon and it was for military only.

Zero reason regular folks should have any automatic weapons.

You know things are going on in country when me and my two adult daughters during our weekly video call (they are early 40's and not into talking politics at all) spent almost half a hour talking about guns and what should be done. They both have kids.

[yagotme]

18. 2 things:

1: Cannon could be, and were, purchased by private citizens. This changed in 1934, requiring permitting/tax for modern cannon. Black powder muzzle loading cannon exempt.

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
The Puckle gun (also known as the defence gun) was a small crew-served, manually-operated flintlock[1] revolver patented in 1718 by James Puckle (1667–1724), a British inventor, lawyer and writer. It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a "machine gun", being called such in a 1722 shipping manifest,[2] though its operation does not match the modern use of the term. It was never used during any combat operation or war.
The Puckle gun is a tripod-mounted, single-barreled flintlock weapon fitted with a manually operated[5] revolving cylinder; Puckle advertised its main application as an anti-boarding gun for use on ships. The barrel was 3 feet (0.91 m) long with a bore of 1.25 inches (32 mm). The cylinder held 6 to 11 shots depending on configuration, and was hand-loaded with powder and shot while detached from the weapon.

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. Best gun control ad ever (goes with your point)

[doc03]

22. That's an excellent ad to run nt

[hunter]

17. The founders were, for the most part, assholes.

We forgive them for that because they didn't know any better.

[A HERETIC I AM]

20. Yup. White, land owning (read "Stealing" ) slave owners...

Who didn’t think women or poor people or anyone who wasn’t a white guy who owned land should vote, that only elected members of state legislatures should pick US Senators.

I saw this meme thingy on Twitter that said something to the effect;

Maybe a document written by men who didn’t have indoor plumbing and who would be amazed at the sight of a dishwasher shouldn’t be held as sacrosanct in perpetuity.

[doc03]

21. They had single shot flintlocks back then, kind of hard to kill 21 people when you

have to reload 20 times. I guess in Uvalde he could have while the cops hid in the hall for 78 minutes.

[A HERETIC I AM]

23. The only reason that is remotely funny....

Is because it is so true!

What an absolutely catastrophic clusterfuck that was. But you’re right. If the guy was even slightly knowledgeable on a muzzle loader, he had all the time in the world to shoot 5 times as many, didn’t he?

The Uvalde Police Department should be disbanded and reformed, with all new, properly trained personnel that reflect the population of the city.

[hack89]

25. You are talking about a group that routinely massacred Native American

Read up on King Philips War as a good example. They embraced violence with guns so I doubt they were that concerned.

[Stuart G]

26. This one taught me a lot. While that was not my intention. that is good for me & everyone else.