The traitors were using e-mails to communicate with each other. The DOJ wants them.

[fightforfreedom]

We are not dealing with very smart people.

The committee is going to prove Trump and people in his inner circle are guilty of planning to over throw the government. It is stunning.

The DOJ is investigating People in Trumps inner circle. They want their e-mails and documents. Eastman, the man who planned the coup is hiding thousands of e-mails. The DOJ will more than likely get them. Meadows is hiding thousands of e-mails.

The fake electors investigation is serious business. Lots of evidence, lots of people using e-mails. This investigation proves the DOJ is investigating Trumps inner circle for the attempted coup.

I believe Eastmans e-mails will be like the Nixon tapes. Game over.

[dem4decades]

1. If the DOJ really wanted these emails, why would they let Meadows go?

That doesn't add up.

Either DOJ is playing hardball or not and by being soft on Meadows it looks as if they're not that interested in getting to the bottom of this.

[pnwmom]

7. Could Meadows be secretly cooperating with DOJ? nt

[wnylib]

12. That's what I was thinking, too.

Meadows might have made a deal with DOJ.

[Beastly Boy]

21. Meadows is no longer facing contempt of congress charges. That's all we know.

We don't know whether or not he is facing any other charges, we don't know whether or not he is cooperating, we don't know whether or not he is defying DOJ.

If you try to perform a mathematical operation using unknown values, there is a good chance they will not add up. At least that's what my accountant tells me.

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. Who said they "let him go?"

DOJ declined to prosecute Meadows for Contempt of Congress; that doesn’t mean they won’t prosecute him for more serious charges.

Grand Juries are currently calling witnesses and examining evidence- I can’t imagine that Meadows/his emails and comms wouldn’t be on the list.

[kentuck]

2. It was so bold and brazen...

...it is almost unbelievable.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Yes, the crime of the century conducted in open for all to see.

Using a violent mob to overthrow the US government, overturn a presidential election, stop Congress from doing its job, threatening the life of a sitting VP from their own party, the death and injury of capitol police, etc etc.

All for the purpose of obtaining permanent total power. To install a dictatorship at the hands of a sociopath.

(If this were a book or movie it would be a flop, no one would believe it.)

I do wonder why they were so open about all of it.

I think Ginni Thomas said something to the effect that the GOP is at war and there are no rules in war, something like that. So they operate with the notion all is fair in love and war.

Also they know the likelihood of consequences is low. The courts are stacked in their favor. Especially if they had pulled off the crime, Trump would have pardoned them.

[fightforfreedom]

6. Yes, they all thought it would work.

Trump would be in power and block all investigations. Nothing to worry about. When you attempt a coup, you better succeed or you are screwed.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Also, the while wealthy elite rarely goes to jail.

They have connections, high powered attorneys and friendly judges. So they had that in their favor.

[Botany]

11. "the crime of the century" yes but it is all part of the biggest crime in America's history

The installation of D. Trump into the White House by Russia which was an act of war
by Russia and treason by all those who went along with it.

[rubbersole]

16. It's all one story.

Putin's playbook. Oligarchs, uber rich, dictators and power mad sociopaths haven't cared about the rest of humanity ever. Putin just happens to be the wealthiest of them all. With nukes. He's been "meddling" in democracies for years. Installing a president of the United States is the greatest espionage coup in history.
(I thought when tfg suggested injecting bleach or sticking a UV light up your ass to cure covid, Putin probably had a billion dollar bet with MBS , Xi, or one of them, he could make golden shower boy dance to that tune.)

[Botany]

22. Putin installed Trump in order to split America along racial, social, educational, and economic ...

.... lines and in that he was very successful. BTW I think Russia, Putin, and Russian mobsters/oligarchs
are way deep into the GOP and Fox News.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

[Irish_Dem]

27. Of course they are all in bed together. They don't even hide it anymore.

American and Russian oligarchs bribe corrupt US politicians.

The US politicians want what Putin has, total permanent power.

The oligarchs want access to all US financial assets.

The American people want white Jesus minority rule, guns and cheap gas.

So they all work together to destroy the US as we know it, and install a US dictatorship.

The prototype GOP model of government is shown to us by DeSantis in Florida.

The US gun violence is promoted by the GOP as a way to make the populace numb, apathetic, afraid, detached from society, helpless. Terrorize the population and make it docile. This is a plan straight from Putin's KGB.

[Botany]

31. In 2016 McConnell, Ryan, McCarthy, Pence, Sessions, and

others were well aware of Russia's actions to help TFG and the GOP.

[Irish_Dem]

34. Not just aware of it, part of it.

I don't believe the presidential vote was the only one stolen that year.

[Botany]

35. Russ Feingold was @ something like 90% odds of ...

... winning.

[Irish_Dem]

37. McConnell will do anything, and I mean anything, to keep the senate under his control.

Look at the close senate elections as you point out.

When he lost the senate recently he was able to flip two sitting senators to his platform who don't even bother to hide their relationship with him.

My theory on McConnell is that he has dossiers on everyone in DC and either threatens or bribes people into compliance.

[Botany]

38. McConnell knows the machines and central tabulators are good for @ least 10 points and has fought...

... any and all investigations into them and security upgrades for our voting systems too. He is also
well aware that the electoral college has let the minority control the majority.

[Irish_Dem]

40. Yes down to the smallest detail.

His major job as he sees it is to

1. Keep himself in power.

2. Maintain his lock step control over the senate whether he is the majority party or not.

3. Keep the GOP in power.


To that end he is very familiar to the smallest detail with the methods and means to obtain those goals.

[Botany]

41. Although KY is in large part a red state some of the 2020 senate and presidential election ....

... results there don't pass my smell test because precincts that had been voting blue (including in
2016) for years flipped and voted red in 2020. I'm doing this from memory so I might be wrong.

In 2019 & 2020 McConnell kept the American people and the senate from seeing the evidence of
Trump working to help Putin invade Ukraine, weaken the Ukrainian military by not sending them
the arms that congress had authorized, and Trump tried to blackmail Zelenskyy into inventing dirt
on Joe Biden and his family.

BTW every fucking republican senator outside of Mitt Romney voted to support Putin over the
United States and our Ukrainian allies.

[Irish_Dem]

42. McConnell is one of the most powerful men in the world.

He has no intention whatsoever of leaving his seat unless it is his choice.

He is not about to roll the dice on his senatorial seat.

It is locked up way before the election.

He is not about to give up his majority status either. When the Dems won GA. McConnell kicked in his Plan B. We know what that plan was.

Yes it is really the Putin/GOP party.

And it is not actually a political party, it is a crime syndicate.

[Botany]

43. "It is a crime syndicate."

How many times did his wife's family shipping company get busted with either cocaine or
human trafficking/smuggling? One time is just bad luck, 2 times is really bad luck, and
after that you know what you are dealing with.

Mitch tried to repeatedly crash the American economy so people would hurt and blame
"the black guy" who was President.

[Irish_Dem]

47. The GOP is at war with America, they don't care how many they kill or hurt.

We are just collateral damage in their quest for power and wealth.

[Irish_Dem]

26. I called the Russian theft of the White House the crime of the century until 1/6.

But it is part of the same crime.

Destruction of the United States and its democracy.

All of it has been like taking candy from a baby for Putin.
Probably why he thought taking Ukraine would be easy.

But the Ukrainians are fighting, and fighting hard to save their country.
In contrast to Americans who handed their country over lock, stock and barrel to Putin.

[Botany]

29. If we had stopped Putin in 2016 we would not have had ..

... to be dealing witha all this "stuff" now. President Obama with the help of Dr. Fauci had left the personal, the protocols, and the materials in place that would have stopped or mitigated the C-19 pandemic and Putin would not be in Ukraine right now. He was emboldened by his theft of the White House and the US Senate in 2016.

1/6/21 was just more of same crime wave. The Senate intelligence committee's report ..run by Republicans.... admitted that Trump was a witting agent for Putin and Russia.

[Irish_Dem]

32. Oh yes, Putin was greatly emboldened by his takeover of the US.

He owned a sitting POTUS, the US media, half the US congress and Supreme Court. All three branches of government and US press.

He caused chaos, division, acrimony across the US. Stirred up the dark underbelly of the US. Patriarchy, racism, hatred of the other, etc.

One million covid deaths, ongoing gun violence, are all collateral damage in the Putin GOP war against this country for power and wealth. Creating a docile, helpless populace, numb and inactive.

Putin knew a greatly weakened US would have a hard time uniting against him.
Putin had greatly weakened Europe as well, with Brexit, etc. Putin's goal is to make Russia a superpower along with China. To sift global dominance. And he was running out of time if his reported health condition is accurate.

Putin did not fare as well as he hoped in Ukraine initially. But will keep grinding down Ukraine, the West and the rest of the world and do as much damage as possible. Costing the west as much money and economic damage as he can.
Causing starvation in the rest of the world. Weak economies are ripe for the taking.

[Botany]

44. The Russian military has lost something like 32,000 men KIA in under 6 months in Ukraine

America lost 58,000 in 12 or so years in Vietnam.

[Irish_Dem]

48. Yes the GOP and Putin do not care how many people they kill.

All in their quest for power.

I think they are sadistic as well.

They truly enjoy the carnage and pain.

[mjvpi]

14. So Justice Thomas could have known about this plan as it was being conceived?

And as the highest officer of our Judicial branch, did nothing. After the resignation and impeachment of the sitting members of Congress who were in the same position, we might have the votes to impeach him. But at home, maybe they just don’t talk anymore.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Of course he knew about it. He is a part of it and believes the same thing.

He believes his view of the world is the correct one and will use any means possible to make it happen. When the American people object, he tells us to get over it and accept it.

Edit to add: I seriously doubt there will be any consequences for Thomas.
He has the power and is untouchable. And he full well knows it.

[uponit7771]

15. yep

[fightforfreedom]

5. It really is hard to believe.

[wnylib]

13. They were that confident of succeeding, I guess.

[Irish_Dem]

30. Either way they could not lose. The DOJ would not jail half of the US Congress.

Along with Trump and all of Trump's advisors and staff.

The GOP didn't care if the 1/6 rioters were sent to jail.
And they figured maybe a few token higher ups might get their hands slapped.

[wnylib]

45. True, so it's up to the J6 committee

to shine some bright lights on who did what for the American public to see what is at stake in the country.

I don't think that DOJ will get all of the higher level perps in the coup, but the hearings and DOJ investigations will pave the way to get some of them.

Considering all the investigations of TFG that are going on, one of them at least should result in a conviction for some of his crimes - Georgia, NY, and the classified papers dumping.

[Irish_Dem]

49. Yes that is a good metaphor. Shine a light on the crimes and what is at stake.

Yes I agree, some of the wrong doers will face consequences.

Trump is a wild card, I have no idea what will happen. We know he has committed many crimes. There is certainly evidence somewhere to convict.

But whether anyone has the political courage to do so remains to be seen.
Trump investigations have a way of just fizzling out.

[Nevilledog]

36. They didn't think they'd be unsuccessful. It's the arrogance.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. They won't go down without a fight, and there are lots of pardons out there already /nt

[Just_Vote_Dem]

9. If the emails were not encryped, they may be available on some servers

scattered around the globe. Someone with more computer experience may need to correct or expand on this.

[Norbert]

10. If Watergate was in 2020 perpetrated by the tRump White House...

Rosemary Woods missing 18 minutes of audio would probably be all over YouTube.

We are not talking brilliant minds here.

[Irish_Dem]

33. And in 2020 no one would care at all about Nixon's crimes.

[Trueblue Texan]

17. The thing I fear most...

...is that the whole truth WILL come out and it will be completely obvious who perpetrated the crimes of Jan 6, 2021, evidence will be so damning and crystal clear there will be no way for the guilty parties to deny or spin it... but not enough Americans will care. They will rationalize clearly illegal, seditious acts to destroy our democracy and nothing will come of it. If that happens, we're at the end, folks. Even if we win the next election in a landslide, it's just a matter of time until it all comes crashing down if enough people don't demand justice for the criminals responsible for the Jan 6 assault on the Capital.

[rubbersole]

19. You are spot on.

No. One. Will. Care. (Or not enough people will care.) A pivotal point in history.

[nancy1942]

25. Sadly I have to agree. Nothing will change.

[mucifer]

46. The cost of gas, food and housing will destroy the dems IMO people will sell democracy for the idea

that republicans will save them from high prices.

[fightforfreedom]

23. That is why we need men, women of courage to step up to do what is right.

The DOJ must have the courage to charge all those responsible for the coup, no matter the political consequences. There is no other way to handle this unbelievable crime.

[getagrip_already]

18. source?

This sounds very non-specific. What specifically did the doj do? Ask the jan 6 committee? Issue a subpoena? Ask with a big please and a little heart drawn in by hand?

If they issued a subpoena, who is the source of the info? What is being sought?

Sorry, at this point I don't trust idle internet claims.

[fightforfreedom]

20. Google fake electors investigation.

[Novara]

39. I don't trust opinions without a source to back them up