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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:40 AM Jun 2022

What Would An American Fascist Government Look Like? (Tom Hartmann article)

What Would An American Fascist Government Look Like?
We can’t pretend we don’t know what’s happening and where it will lead if it’s not stopped - the question is what we will do about it
Thom Hartmann

https://hartmannreport.com/p/what-would-an-american-fascist-government?s=r

It’s time to talk about what an American fascist government would look like. The word “fascism” gets thrown around a lot, but most Americans have no idea what it would look like or how it would actually play out.

It’s critical to lay out what a fascist America would look like now because this is what is being envisioned right now by many in the Republican Party, and it might come to pass.

They don’t talk about it out loud very much, like Nixon’s man G. Gordon Liddy used to back in the day when he signed memos using Hitler’s SS symbol. But there is a model here and they do have something in mind.

What could it be? What would it look like? How will it most likely come about?

First, and essential to American fascism, Republicans envision a strong-man Leader who will hold power for as long as he (it’s always a “he”) chooses, with the transition to the next Leader determined by the Leader himself.

This has been the primary characteristic of every fascistic government to emerge in the 7000-year written history of the modern world.

When Trump was running for re-election, at rallies in both Nevada and Wisconsin, he came right out and said that not only would he win the 2020 election but that he’d also be re-elected again in 2024. He was dead serious.

Sure, our constitution says a president can only serve two terms: so did the Russian constitution, until Putin got it amended. Trump was planning the same, and his followers were — if the response at the rallies when he announced it is any indicator — ecstatic at the prospect.

That single strongman Leader is the key to understanding everything else that happens when a country flips from democracy to oligarchy to fascism.

For example, in a fascist state the way that you as an average citizen ensure your own advancement and economic, personal, and political security is by sucking up to that man. You either become an acolyte/follower or you find yourself on the outside looking in.

MORE >>> https://hartmannreport.com/p/what-would-an-american-fascist-government?s=r

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What Would An American Fascist Government Look Like? (Tom Hartmann article) (Original Post) RKP5637 Jun 2022 OP
Frightening and depressing article karin_sj Jun 2022 #1
I hope so. It seems a lot of Americans are asleep at the wheel. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #2
Honestly, the framework for American fascism is already here ck4829 Jun 2022 #3
It is, the pilings are being driven one by one and it continues ... RKP5637 Jun 2022 #5
Russia is the template for what the gop wants here Takket Jun 2022 #4
Sadly it is, now they are just waiting to install their dictator. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #6
It would look like this lees1975 Jun 2022 #7
Yeah, undoubtedly this would be a core of it ... Really, Americans IMO seem so ignorant of what is RKP5637 Jun 2022 #8
The repubs have claimed to be the party of God for over 40 years CrispyQ Jun 2022 #20
Seriously look at Hungary to see where conservatives want to take us. Initech Jun 2022 #9
I hate saying/thinking this, but it could be the underpinning for making the US into RKP5637 Jun 2022 #18
Sorry, but I don't listen to lectures on American fascism Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #10
Yeah, it's a strange mix for sure. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #11
You listened enough to reply on this thread Auggie Jun 2022 #15
Thank you. Budi Jun 2022 #16
Fascism comes to nations where there are "useful idiots" who collaborate Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #17
K & R Budi Jun 2022 #23
I agree with you 100% Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #24
Well Tom, ya think this piece would have been REALLY useful in 2016? Budi Jun 2022 #12
You can blame everyone in this country even yourself for doing nothing!! BlueJac Jun 2022 #28
Well I, like many others who knew the consequences, don't have the Media reach Mr Hartmann has. Budi Jun 2022 #29
Important article to read Johnny2X2X Jun 2022 #13
Yep, they are trying to soft-pedal and normalize it. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #22
Great article. CrispyQ Jun 2022 #14
And yet he worked for the ultimate authoritarian media company Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #19
Yup. He made the criminal money laundering Russia State Media even wealthier Budi Jun 2022 #25
Russia/Hungary/Texas/Florida/... moondust Jun 2022 #21
Looking at Texas and Florida seems more like we are leaning toward theocracies GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #32
The United States will break up first. roamer65 Jun 2022 #26
Yeah, I definitely see that happening. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #27
Thanks for posting appalachiablue Jun 2022 #30
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2022 #31

karin_sj

(812 posts)
1. Frightening and depressing article
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jun 2022

But so true and prophetic. I hope that today's hearings will help stop the Republican party's relentless march to drive our country towards fascism.

ck4829

(35,094 posts)
3. Honestly, the framework for American fascism is already here
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jun 2022

A third of the country thinks mass shootings are just something we have to accept.

I imagine their other ideas are no less fascist-like.

And Republicans are rigging the elections to their favor...

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
5. It is, the pilings are being driven one by one and it continues ...
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:54 AM
Jun 2022

and the American democracy is being overthrown from within. Sadly, I still think a lot of Americans are not grasping WTF is going on and the resultant consequences.

Takket

(21,644 posts)
4. Russia is the template for what the gop wants here
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

Locking up political opponents who just vanish, laws against gays and minorities, oligarchs controlling everything that happens (this is actually mostly in place already).

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
8. Yeah, undoubtedly this would be a core of it ... Really, Americans IMO seem so ignorant of what is
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jun 2022

happening to their country.

CrispyQ

(36,540 posts)
20. The repubs have claimed to be the party of God for over 40 years
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:38 PM
Jun 2022

without any challenge or pushback from our side. And now they openly suggest that dems are Satan worshipers & pedophiles, & while I agree allegations that extreme don't deserve a response, it only went this far because we never challenged them before. The repubs have more successfully portrayed our side than we have, even if it isn't truthful or accurate.

Years ago when Jack Cafferty still had a few moments on Wolf's show, he did a segment on dominionism & he was genuinely frighted by what he was reporting & many viewers were, too. He ended by saying that this needed to be investigated & reported on in more detail, but of course the media would never dream of attacking any Christian religion. So here we are.

Initech

(100,108 posts)
9. Seriously look at Hungary to see where conservatives want to take us.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jun 2022

They love Viktor Orban and his neofascist authoritarian views. If they got someone like that, they could really do some serious damage to this country. Not like they haven't already.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
18. I hate saying/thinking this, but it could be the underpinning for making the US into
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:32 PM
Jun 2022

a war torn country, the differences are so great.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
10. Sorry, but I don't listen to lectures on American fascism
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:08 PM
Jun 2022

from someone who was on the payroll of Vladimir Putin's propaganda network.

It is disqualifying.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. Thank you.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jun 2022

Every viewer he brought to RT, made money for Russia State Owned Media.

He damned well knew this.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
17. Fascism comes to nations where there are "useful idiots" who collaborate
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:29 PM
Jun 2022

in advancing the interest of dictators for their own purposes.

And damn right Hartmann was aware who controlled Russia Today.

Fooey!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
23. K & R
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 01:00 PM
Jun 2022

"useful idiots" who collaborate
in advancing the interest of dictators


And they showed themselves right in front of America's face.
He should be banned from this site.

Now here he is generously educating us what we can expect from fascism.
How we will have to adjust & comply.

Well ain't this mighty big of him.
He's the voice of re-educating the American public on how to live under fascist rule.

Vomit

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
12. Well Tom, ya think this piece would have been REALLY useful in 2016?
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jun 2022

WHERE WERE YOU, MARCH 2016?
Where were all your Warnings when Democracy was at critical mass, Mr Hartmann?
You were looking the other way, weren't you.




Now's a little late to sound the warnings that were flat out ignored when our Democracy was all on the line, right?

Instead, we got Donald Trump & our christofascist Supreme Court.
Where was your warning of fascism when it really fking counted.
Because SOMEONE named Hillary Clinton sure could have used your help.
Ya think?
You looked the other way.


Thanks for nothing, Mr Hartman .
You cashed in for yourself & Russia State Owned Media as well.

You dropped the ball in 2016.
You looked the other way when fascism & democracy were battling it out.

You have done nothing.




BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
28. You can blame everyone in this country even yourself for doing nothing!!
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 01:34 PM
Jun 2022

Thom Hatmann is not you whipping post! Take your blame along with the entire country of oh well thinkers!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Well I, like many others who knew the consequences, don't have the Media reach Mr Hartmann has.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 02:25 PM
Jun 2022

He reached here & abroad.
US media to Russia State Owned RT media.

He profited as all media did, on the breaking back of our Democracy.

HE did nothing to save us.
With his media reach he could have made the case with the warnings back when it mattered most.

But he didn't.
He comes now with his "How to live under fascism" re-education schtick. For even more profit.$$$$

And the crowds applaud & say Yes Yes Thom! May I have another!







Johnny2X2X

(19,193 posts)
13. Important article to read
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:16 PM
Jun 2022

We are on the cusp of this right now.

And the GOP is trying to make the word fascism meaningless. They have their disciples claiming mask and vaccine mandates are fascist, and being politically correct is also fascism.

CrispyQ

(36,540 posts)
14. Great article.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jun 2022

I've always liked Hartmann. This stood out to me:

The prosperity of the company you work for depends in part on how well it supports the politics of the Leader.

The Leader helps a few dozen oligarchs seize control of the nation’s major industries, and every smaller company in each of those industries must directly or indirectly answer to that oligarch.

Those who fail to are bought out, shut down, or simply cannot find customers or supplies because nobody will do business with them.

The industry where this is most visible at first is the media.


And yet our media reports today's politics like it will be business as usual if we go full-on authoritarian.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
19. And yet he worked for the ultimate authoritarian media company
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jun 2022

and did great harm to American democracy in the process.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
25. Yup. He made the criminal money laundering Russia State Media even wealthier
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 01:06 PM
Jun 2022

He cashed in, they cashed in.

Expect a handy book deal on, "How-to-adjust-&-live-under-fascist-rule", from Mr Hartmann soon.
His superior guidance will be most gratefully appreciated as we exit our Democracy.

moondust

(20,016 posts)
21. Russia/Hungary/Texas/Florida/...
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jun 2022

When "sucking up to that man" is more important than anything else including competence, you're bound to get failings like Russian troops in Ukraine, police in Uvalde/Texas, denial and disinformation about a deadly pandemic as in Florida and other red states, etc.

GoodRaisin

(8,930 posts)
32. Looking at Texas and Florida seems more like we are leaning toward theocracies
Thu Jun 9, 2022, 04:40 PM
Jun 2022

with Governors behaving like Ayatollahs and legislatures making laws that they tie to their biblical interpretations.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
26. The United States will break up first.
Tue Jun 7, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jun 2022

I don’t see certain states or regions going along with fascist dictatorship.

Yugoslavia on steroids.

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