So tired of this fiction: "it was all so much better when we had "prayer in the schools." Here we ar

[riversedge]

I do not know where or how this violence will end but it seems to be going down the path of bringing prayer back in schools.




So tired of this fiction: “it was all so much better when we had “prayer in the schools.” Here we are in 1960. It’s 2 yrs before the Supreme Court strikes down public school-sponsored prayer. This is outside an elementary school in Rep. Scalise’s hometown of New Orleans.

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It’s 1956 in Dallas. School-sponsored prayer is the norm in the South. Are those scriptures written on this car?

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@Sifill_LDF
In order to have “prayer in the schools” you have to have a school. That didn’t matter to the white vigilantes who blew up this elementary school in Nashville, TN in 1957 the day after one 6 year-old Black admitted.

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@Sifill_LDF
Prayer meeting? Outside Central High School in Little Rock, Ark. 1959.

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@Sifill_LDF
Thank you for sharing this...you are absolutely correct. I am 71, so I lived these days albeit in the midwest. As @johnpavlovitz
said, Scalise was given a second chance at life and blew it, too.

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[CrispyQ]

1. I started kindergarten in '62 & never once in 13 years did I ever pray in school.

And most of those years were in a small, religious community.

[LizBeth]

5. '65 and same. Father and I were talking about that. I was Az, Ca. he said he did not have

prayer in school and he was Ohio and Iowa. But people do claim to having prayer in school. Maybe a south thing.

[Chainfire]

8. I guess that depends on where you were

I started school, in the bible belt, in '58, and they were still starting the day with the Lords Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance when I graduated! Not only that, but traveling Christian evangelists would visit the school and the sermons were mandatory attendance. Our administration was bound and determined not to send any atheist out into the world, the Supreme Court be damned.

[keithbvadu2]

2. Prayer and the Bible in school

Many of our right wing brethren want to put public prayer and the Bible back in the schools.

They have no qualms about using the gov't to foist their own religious beliefs on the children in public schools without letting the parents decide how they want their children raised.

[Walleye]

4. Sounds a lot like grooming

[jimfields33]

3. He is saying that their was not mass shootings back then not that everything was good.

[moose65]

6. Here's my question to them...

How could prayer IN the schools have any effect on people who come in from OUTSIDE the schools and open fire??

And to those who say it was "better" back then, in addition to the examples given here, I always like to point out the Bath school massacre in 1927 in Michigan, which is still the deadliest school massacre in our country's history - 38 elementary school children killed, 6 adults killed, 50 other people injured.

A school board member rigged the school with dynamite, then after the explosion he drove his truck filled with explosives onto school property, shot a rifle at it and detonated it, killing more people and himself. And I'm sure that school had some prayer going on!

[spooky3]

7. And, it's another case of perceived correlation is not causation.

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[riversedge]

13. That cat has a powerful paw!!

[Delmette2.0]

9. We still opening prayers in the Senate and House.

That is not helping any of us, just the rich folks.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

11. There's also a myth that violence by students in school

never happened until recently.

Read the first chapter of Farmer Boy by Laura Ingalls Wilder.

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. I'll say it again

It does not matter how stupid an "argument" is, if the intended audience is Republican voters.

[musette_sf]

14. I spent K-3rd grade in CT 1958-1962

With no prayer in public school.

Moved to NYC for 4th grade and attended public school. We had the Lord’s Prayer every morning after the Pledge, much to my surprise. The Jewish kids sat down after the Pledge, and the Catholic kids sat down just before “For thine is the power”. Weird.

[cbabe]

15. Prayer vs gun

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/texas-church-shooting/short-history-mass-shootings-houses-worship-n817786/

A Short History of Mass Shootings at Houses of Worship

Nov. 5, 2017, 4:10 PM PST / Updated Nov. 5, 2017, 4:10 PM PST
By Tim Stelloh

The mass shooting at a Texas church on Sunday that left 26 people dead followed a grim but tragically familiar sequence of events: A gunman enters a church or temple and opens fire on unsuspecting On July 27, 2008, a man who'd hidden a shotgun inside a guitar case opened fire at a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing two people and wounding several others, according to an account posted on the church's website. The shooter, Army veteran David Adkisson, targeted th it with bullets.
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Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

Dylann Roof, 23, was sentenced to death in January for that massacre.

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White supremacist Frazier Glenn Miller Jr. was sentenced to death for three killings at two Jewish centers on April 13, 2014, outside Kansas City, Kansas

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On Aug. 5, 2012, Army veteran Wade Michael Page killed six people and then himself at a Sikh temple outside Milwaukee

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On July 27, 2008, a man who'd hidden a shotgun inside a guitar case opened fire at a Unitarian Universalist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, killing two people and wounding several others, according to an account posted on the church's website. The shooter, Army veteran David Adkisson, targeted th

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[MissMillie]

16. The reality is: there is still prayer in public schools, and there always will be

As long as teachers give a pop quiz every now and then.

Nothing stops any student from saying "grace" over their lunch, or saying a "help me, Lord" over their Algebra test.

What there isn't: a specified time and place for a prayer to be said and to be broadcast over the load speakers. That's something the Constitution doesn't guarantee.