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Is pence guilty of concealing dump and his co-conspirators's criminal plot to "overturn the Election" (dump's own quote from a 'statement' he issued after pence's speech at cpaq)?
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Yes he is, because he had to report the criminal conspiracy to the FBI on December 15, 2020, after he was asked to participate in it. | |
30 (97%) |
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No. To not inform the FBI of that criminal conspiracy on December 15, 2020, after EC votes were in, is not a crime. | |
1 (3%) |
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Bobstandard
(1,316 posts)Expand and explain, please.
Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)I think he had to inform the FBI of the criminal plot designed to "overturn the Election" he was asked to participate in, the day after the GD EC votes were officially entered in the National Archives. I think it was his duty for him to honor his Oath of Office.
By failing to do so (to protect and defend the Constitution...), by just refusing to go along, he not only put his own life in jeopardy, he ultimately put the lives of CPOs, MPOs, and Congress people in danger.
If his inaction is not a crime, I think his hands are soaking innocent victims blood.
Croney
(4,661 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)tRump was replacing people who did not bow to him and Pence may have been committed to letting the country decide so he stuck it out so he could certify the electoral votes as he wound up doing.
If Pence tried to stop this conspiracy with so many moving parts, he might have failed.
While he did not report it, he DID stop the steal.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)participate in it.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)WHO could he report to in such a completely crooked administration?
Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)JohnSJ
(92,325 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Liz Cheney said, "He was a very loyal VP up to the point of going against the Constitutional Oath he took"
What people are asking I think is shouldn't he have blown the whistle on the whole thing?
IF he could have gotten enough people to do Article 25, I think he would have.
But the DOJ was in on it. FBI has no control to stop the President. CIA has no control.
WHO could he have gotten to stop the madness? I can't think of anyone.
So he did the little Dutch Boy putting his finger in the Dam bit.
Kaleva
(36,327 posts)"
"ELECTION 2020|Dec 14, 2020,11:31am EST|60,045 views
Trump Campaign Assembling Alternate Electors In Key States In Far-Fetched Attempt To Overturn Election
Alison Durkee
Updated Dec 14, 2020, 03:22pm EST
TOPLINE In an unprecedented move, groups of self-styled electors arranged by the Trump campaign in battleground states won by President-elect Joe Biden will meet Monday to vote for President Trump and send results claiming he won the states presidential elections to Congress, White House advisor Stephen Miller said Monday, the latest of the presidents far-fetched attempts to challenge Bidens victorywhich, like his previous efforts, is almost entirely certain to fail."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/14/trump-campaign-assembling-alternate-electors-in-key-states-in-far-fetched-attempt-to-overturn-election/?sh=7f53e213213a
It was also talked about in a number of threads here at DU:
"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:45 PM
Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump"
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14710747
"Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:53 PM
Real Biden Elector Moves to Intervene Against Fake Trump Electors Who Sued VP Pence:"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214786069
"Thu Dec 24, 2020, 09:47 PM
AZ Sec of State Hobbs asks AG to investigate fake electors for using state seal"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214758728
"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 07:20 PM
Over in Freeperville, they're all wet over "Alternate GOP Electors" giving Trump the win."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214712142
"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:40 PM
In the spirit of fake electors,"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214711050
"Mon Dec 14, 2020, 04:30 PM
Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's votes"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214710987"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142856219#post68
brush
(53,815 posts)should be indicted not just for the obvious fraud, but for the stupidity of signing their name to such high-visibility fake documents that are now part of history.
So full of stupid hubris it's ridiculous. They thought they'd get away with it.
How? trump lost by nealy 8 million votes. Their little crooked scheme was never going to make up that difference.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Trump lost by almost 3 million votes to HRC-still was anointed POTUS.
brush
(53,815 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 10, 2022, 06:35 PM - Edit history (1)
because of trump's own warning it would be stolen if he lost is how.
60 futile, Giuliani court loses contesting the election outcome is also how.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)virtually every cabinet member and adviser to Trump has the same duty, IMHO.
Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Justice matters.
(6,939 posts)and asked there.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)TigressDem
(5,125 posts)uponit7771
(90,348 posts)... standard for the alphabet crews for proper reaction to the threat and its hard to give FBI/DHS etc quarter with that standard.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)I don't know if the FBI was held back or if it isn't their call, but they were aware of the things being said and even had informants in with the rioters, but it seems they lacked either the will to follow through or were being held back some how.
They were more focused on protecting the incoming President during inauguration.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/january-6-committee-examines-internal-fbidhs-documents-seeking-answers-rcna11076
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Open a file? Initiate an investigation? Get authority to wiretap? I guess I just object to a poll that assumes facts not in evidence. Therefore I choose not to participate in the poll.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Just say'n.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)... he's probably not guilty of that, specifically. Of course, he may be guilty of several other things... by defying Crooked Donald's last wish in office, he'd never be convicted.
All along, he had the most to gain by exposing Donald completely - he might even - if impeachment or removal had worked - have become President (his own term) instead of Biden.
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)So Pence was willing to face a possible execution, but didn't have the ability to clean up the DOJ and such with tRump around.
I don't think he had enough support for article 25. If he did, he would probably removed tRump for seditious conspiracy.