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Jilly_in_VA

(9,984 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 03:26 PM Jun 2022

Roger Stone and Michael Flynn under fire over rallies 'distorting Christianity'

A growing number of prominent Christian leaders are sounding alarms about threats to democracy posed by ReAwaken America rallies where Donald Trump loyalists Michael Flynn and Roger Stone and rightwing pastors have spread misinformation about the 2020 elections and Covid-19 vaccines, and distorted Christian teachings.

The falsehoods pushed at ReAwaken gatherings have prompted some Christian leaders to warn that America’s political and spiritual health is threatened by a toxic mix of Christian nationalism, lies about Trump’s loss to Joe Biden, and ahistorical views of the nation’s founding principle of the separation of church and state.

Several well-known Christian leaders, including the president of the Christian social justice group Sojourners and the executive director of a major Baptist group, have called on American churches to speak out against the messages promoted at ReAwaken America rallies that have been held in Oklahoma, Arizona, Texas, California, South Carolina and other states.

Other tour rallies, some of which have been held in religious spaces, are slated for New York and Virginia this summer and some local Christian leaders are being encouraged to publicly voice concerns about the dangerous rhetoric and messages they convey.

“This ReAwaken tour is peddling dangerous lies about both the election and the pandemic,” Adam Russell Taylor, the president of Sojourners, told the Guardian. “Jesus taught us that the truth will set us free, and these lies hold people captive to these dangerous falsehoods. They also exacerbate the toxic polarization we’re seeing in both the church and the wider society.”

Taylor added he was deeply concerned about “a conflation between Christianity and a nationalistic form of patriotism” at the “tour rallies which are promoting a more overt form of Christian nationalism”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/14/roger-stone-michael-flynn-distorting-christianity-reawaken-america

Gee, ya think? Late to the party, y'all.

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Roger Stone and Michael Flynn under fire over rallies 'distorting Christianity' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2022 OP
Actually all of the GQP are distoring Christianity . ..... Lovie777 Jun 2022 #1
The least qualified to govern are also the least qualified to preach ck4829 Jun 2022 #2
Fascist is as fascist does. Haggard Celine Jun 2022 #3
Good that they are calling out Christian Nationalism... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #4
It is directly opposed to what Jesus Christ had in mind lees1975 Jun 2022 #7
Now you're just nitpicking! 😂 dchill Jun 2022 #12
What has taken them so long, though? csziggy Jun 2022 #9
Evangelicals latched onto Trump as he was appealing to them in order to get elected initially... AntiFascist Jun 2022 #10
I'm just guessing, but I bet it has to do with $. Midnight Writer Jun 2022 #11
Depends on which churches you mean. wnylib Jun 2022 #18
They all saw it coming. usonian Jun 2022 #5
This is no exaggeration. Thank you. lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #15
I've been saying this for a long time lees1975 Jun 2022 #6
Thank you for your links. I will follow these. So far, very thoughtful. erronis Jun 2022 #19
Signalpress is the best. usonian Jun 2022 #21
Putting the Christo in christofascism. Thomas Hurt Jun 2022 #8
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Jun 2022 #13
and then, the pot said, to the kettle, "Hey, man, you're black!" lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #14
They should pay taxes now. They are no longer religious organizations and have become Ziggysmom Jun 2022 #16
Christianity (and Islam and others) are being used as a a wedge and a cudgel. erronis Jun 2022 #17
Religious violence is now at the core of the Republican Party keithbvadu2 Jun 2022 #20
Breaking News: Christian (leadership) gets a clue. NightWatcher Jun 2022 #22
A conflation of Born-again Christianity and Mormonism's is a theological impossibility... czarjak Jun 2022 #23
Extremists of any religion BlueIdaho Jun 2022 #24
Putin's Church was kicked out of Ukraine because parishioners knew who they bent the knee to. BrightKnight Jun 2022 #25

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
4. Good that they are calling out Christian Nationalism...
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:08 PM
Jun 2022

as it is directly opposed to what the founding fathers had in mind.

lees1975

(3,866 posts)
7. It is directly opposed to what Jesus Christ had in mind
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:27 PM
Jun 2022

and is a total subversion of Christianity into an anti-Christian cult.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
9. What has taken them so long, though?
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:40 PM
Jun 2022

Why didn't they do it as soon as TFG and his cohorts started conflating their fascism with Christianity?

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
10. Evangelicals latched onto Trump as he was appealing to them in order to get elected initially...
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:59 PM
Jun 2022

and there are plenty of Fundamentalists embracing fascist ideologies of white supremacy, execution of gays, violence against abortion providers, etc.

It is interesting to note that some within the Catholic hierarchy initially supported Hitler, until it became obvious that he was exterminating Jews. His "1000 year Reich" probably appealed to their biblical sensibilities, just as Trump has somehow managed to tap into something similar.

wnylib

(21,508 posts)
18. Depends on which churches you mean.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:34 PM
Jun 2022

Over the past 5 years, I have heard sermons decrying the preaching of hate and distortions of Christianity that are polarizing the country and feeding violence. I have heard sermons that were scathing about the kidnapping of children from parents at the border. One of those sermons was followed by applause, an unusual event in the mainstream Christian denomination where it occurred. I co-led an informative presentation and discussion of the border situation to a church group that filled up available seats and left several people standing. We passed out sheets of information on whom to contact to push for immigration changes, places to donate for physical and legal aid, and organizations taking volunteers at border missions to provide aid to migrants.

I have heard sermons denouncing "replacement theory" as blasphemy that no Christian could subscribe to.

I have attended race discussions in majority White churches led by Blacks, not by White members of the church. I have listened to a church member discuss at a special church meeting her own personal delivery of aid inside Ukraine and her efforts to organize aid delivery and donations. She later received several offers of donations and of assistance in logistics and delivery.

I have heard services turned over to Pride leaders who led in congregational prayers, readings, and sermons.

These were all in mainstream Christian denomination churches - Lutheran, Episcopal, and Presbyterian.

There have been and still are churches speaking out to their congregations about what is going on in the US today. They are not just talking. They are acting.

usonian

(9,836 posts)
5. They all saw it coming.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:10 PM
Jun 2022

It was the failure of what seems the vast majority of said leaders to condemn turning Christ's Gospel of Love into a Gospel of Hate, and other slanders, that led to this shitstorm.

They remained "on the sidelines".

For a look into the crooked minds of the perpetrators, read
The Psychology of Genocide by Steven K. Baum. (2008)
He groups people into three categories: Perpetrators, Bystanders, and Rescuers.
How Frickin appropriate is that TODAY?

Rescue seems unprofitable, even if it's the real message.
And failure to call this out has cost lives.

NO LESSONS LEARNED FROM HISTORY. SO IT REPEATS.

"Harmless"

lees1975

(3,866 posts)
6. I've been saying this for a long time
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 04:15 PM
Jun 2022

Trumpism is attempting to change the core doctrines of the Christian faith, including the teachings of Jesus himself. According to Trump, people who "turn the other cheek" and love their enemies are losers and suckers and aren't getting anywhere in this world.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-subversion-of-christian-church.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/05/could-this-be-why-most-evangelical.html

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2022/06/christian-dominion-theology-intersects.html

Long but worth the read. Stuff Democrats should know.

Ziggysmom

(3,409 posts)
16. They should pay taxes now. They are no longer religious organizations and have become
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:30 PM
Jun 2022

political. Tax the living hell out of them!!!!

erronis

(15,306 posts)
17. Christianity (and Islam and others) are being used as a a wedge and a cudgel.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 05:33 PM
Jun 2022

First of all, those pretending to believe in the bible and putting their political god on top, ain't religious.

The power brokers (money, lobbyists, foreign interference) saw a way to drive wedges into the U.S. populace (at least those still in thrall to some imaginary thingee.)

Once they separated the sheep from the rest, they foxed the sheep to only listen to some slimy gawd and a cluster-fuck of opportunists.

Then they start urging these sheeples to take to threatening tactics. Weapon-up since the world is against US. Harass anybody who doesn't agree with that slimy gawd and the foxy messages.

These poor slobs have bought into the slime. They probably will never escape it - admitting errors is really hard!

czarjak

(11,284 posts)
23. A conflation of Born-again Christianity and Mormonism's is a theological impossibility...
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 06:39 PM
Jun 2022

But, hey, only believe. Right?

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
25. Putin's Church was kicked out of Ukraine because parishioners knew who they bent the knee to.
Tue Jun 14, 2022, 08:01 PM
Jun 2022

I doubt many main line churches would be comfortable with someone’s idea of Christian nationalism.

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