I am tired of relying on the courts. Federal troops ought to be in that New Mexico county TONIGHT!

[maxrandb]

It's time for the federal government to begin getting fucking Gawd Damned involved in enforcing federal rights.

7,000+ American voters are currently being denied their rights to vote in News Mexico.

Please stop fucking around, and send a message to these fucksticks, or they will try this shit in more places than one New Mexico district.

Declare an emergency in this district, send in the Marines, lock these pricks up for violations of federal laws and appoint a military board to certify the voters.

It's time to go Abe Lincoln on these Confederate Dipshits.

We either have federal laws, or we don't.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, again ... if these were mostly non-white Americans doing what the GZP is doing all the ...

... alphabet crews would be on scene in force.

I'm 100% sick of this shit too !!

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. But it would require pushing back against CONS, GOP, republicans.

For 50 years now we dont do that.

Ever since the media was called "liberal" for being mature, intelligent, worldly human beings.

For 50 years a con gets 100 chances to a liberals one chance.

[CrackityJones75]

24. Bullshit.

Please stop blaming Democrats for republican misdeeds.

[brooklynite]

3. I just voted to not block this post. Now let me tell why its a stupid idea

First of all, we're talking about a STATE election for a STATE office. The STATE in question has a DEMOCRATIC Governor, DEMOCRATIC Attorney General, DEMOCRATIC Secretary of State and a DEMOCRATIC Supreme Court which has ALREADY ORDERED THE COMMISSION TO CERTIFY THE VOTE.

Second, If you weren't a fan of Trump considering the Insurrection Act to use the Military to seize voting machines, you have no reason to demand that Biden use the military inappropriately either. You're basically saying that its okay to violate the Constitution and the Posse Comitatus Act as long as WE like the reason.

[onenote]

4. +1

[MarineCombatEngineer]

6. +100. nt

I swear to god this fucking place sometimes just makes me want to

[fantase56]

7. Yep

[JohnSJ]

10. Most important is NM Supreme Court gave them until Saturday to certify, and the NM AG

has indicated that through due process of the NM laws, they are looking at charges against those election officials

[Mad_Machine76]

21. So

it's not like nothing is being done or that officials don't notice what's happening

[JohnSJ]

22. That implies that most likely be consequences against those officials for not certifing the

election

[Mad_Machine76]

23. As there should be.

[elleng]

11. Thank you.

[Takket]

12. +1. Great post.

[bluedigger]

13. Excellent points!

Also, I might add that New Mexico is no place for Marines. No beaches to take.

[emulatorloo]

14. Thank you n/t

[we can do it]

19. Thank you.

[Hortensis]

47. Tough call, but I lean to allowing discussion, even of calls to setting

aside the law and 200-year-old institutional procedures -- also, of course, attacking the sovereignty of all 50 states in these matters.

Even tRump didn't do* what this poster wants, and we can be sure he'd have sent troops into at least five states to take over the election process if he could have.

(May have at least attempted -- the hearings are silent so far on tRump's actions regarding the military, though we probably all remember JCOS Chair General Milley's stand in January 2021.)

[Cha]

5. Yes!!

💙💛

[Stinky The Clown]

8. TELL IT !!!

[elleng]

9. The NM Supreme Court has already addressed the issue,

ordered the votes to be certified.

[maxrandb]

51. Considering the North Carolina voting case the Supreme Court of the Confederate States just agreed

are you still comfortable with relying on State Courts to save Democracy?

It is becoming clear that this Supreme Court of the Confederate States is taking us to a point where federal troops are going to be required to enforce Constitutional rights.

I guess I am more a "rip the bandage off quickly" then a "slowly peel it off" guy.

[SheltieLover]

15. Lock them up!

[gladium et scutum]

16. We also have Federal Laws

which prohibit the use of the Armed Forces to enforce or police civilian law. Posse Comitatus, I think it is called

[maxrandb]

17. I get that there should be at least ONE political party that respects the rule of law

but anyone who thinks we are not already in a Civil War that requires actions to WIN a Civil War, is either delusional, or they've been asleep for the past 20 years.

This is NOT like Donnie Dipshit declaring Martial Law over Bullshit. This is an "actual" violation of Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

We can't play whataboutism with ACTUAL REAL violations of law.

"Well, we can't enforce the Constitution, because the former guy was a dictator wanabee"

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. So you want federal troops, mainly Marines, to intervene in a state issue?

After the NM SC has already ordered the commission to certify the votes by Friday?

You seem to forget that the Posse Comitatus Act forbids that unless Martial Law or the Insurrection Act is declared.

[maxrandb]

20. What I want is for the Federal government to ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW!

Look, if someone robs a bank because they say; "the bank stole my money", you don't STOP using law enforcement to stop bank robbing.

You don't say; "well that guy tried to use law enforcement to facilitate a robbery, I better not use law enforcement to prevent robbery, because that would be the same as what the other guy did".

[onenote]

25. Can you specify the federal law?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. So cite the Federal law that requires the County Commissioners to certify the votes

and would trigger sending in Federal troops to enforce State law.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that you've been told that the NM SC has already ruled that the commissioners must certify by Fri. or face the consequences, which include being held in contempt and or removal from their positions.

[maxrandb]

35. And the commissioners laughed at them

Well, all except for the one that had to go to DC for sentencing for "trespassing" on January 6.

Seems like the only folks that don't know we are at war is us.

These people would murder you and your family in your sleep.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. I ask again,

please cite the Federal law that requires the County Commissioners to certify the votes of a STATE election and would trigger sending in Federal troops to enforce State law.

And, again, it would be illegal to use Federal troops, mainly Marines as you suggested, to use for law enforcement expect under very narrow circumstances.

You know, that whole Posse Comitatus Act thingy.

Oh, and by the way, if they want to fuck with this old Marine, that's on them, and it won't end well for anyone trying to harm me.

[maxrandb]

37. We could start with the 14TH Amendment, and then move on top seditious obstruction

Correct me if I am wrong, but the schools in the South would not have been desegregated without federal enforcement.

History is full of examples, from Civil Rights to voting, where federal enforcement was required to protect Americans rights from zealots.

Heck, one could argue that Reconstruction has never been fulfilled.

I also could make a pretty good argument that, had the federal government turned those Dipshits that seized federal land in the PACWEST into pink vapor, there would have been NO DONNIE DIPSHIT reign if terror

[MarineCombatEngineer]

38. So let's become like the repukes?

Got it.

Under your premise, then trump could've used federal troops to seize voting machines over state objections that he deemed corrupt to inspect them.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

[maxrandb]

39. The only way we could become like the repukes

Would be to use the power of government to restrict and abolish Constitutional rights.

I see the difference in using the power of government to sustain and uphold Constitutional rights.

If you can't see the difference, you are part of the problem. You're part of that cynical "both sides are the same, they're all corrupt" segment of Americans that enables and sustains Retrumplicanism.

It's like you're saying the murderer and the person who stopped the murderer are the same since they both used a knife.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

42. Whoosh!!!!

Went right over your head.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

Have a great weekend.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

43. So, what do you say now?

https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/otero-county-commission-approves-primary-certification-defusing-political-crisis/article_9c667864-8c6c-5eb9-9455-970a0317e2fd.html

Otero County Commission approves primary certification, defusing political crisis

Commissioners in a New Mexico county have certified the results from their primary election after spurring a standoff over election integrity that was fueled by conspiracy theories about the security of voting equipment

ALBUQUERQUE — A standoff over the security of voting machines between a Republican-leaning county in New Mexico and Democratic state officials that threatened to erupt into a wider political crisis was defused Friday after local commissioners voted to certify their election results.

The move by the Otero County Commission reversed an earlier decision against certifying results of the June 7 primary because of unspecified concerns with Dominion Voting Systems, a target of widespread conspiracy theories since the 2020 presidential election.

The two commissioners who voted in favor said they had been threatened with prosecution by the state attorney general and had no choice under the law — but criticized their position as being little more than rubber stamps.

Commissioner Couy Griffin was the lone dissenting vote but acknowledged he had no basis for questioning the results of the election. He dialed in to the meeting because he was in Washington, D.C., where hours before he had been sentenced for entering restricted U.S. Capitol grounds during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.

And all without having to deploy Federal troops to enforce STATE law, which would have been illegal, something you seemed to overlook despite being told numerous times that it would be illegal.

[maxrandb]

44. I say Great! Until you get to a state Supreme Court like Florida

or Ohio, or, Pennsylvanians, or Wisconsin, or Idaho, or West Virginia, or Louisiana, or Texas or Arkansas, or Kansas....

Or the Insurrection Majority Supreme Court.

You seem willing to take your chances.

I would prefer a clear demonstration that the federal government is ready and willing to take bold action to protect the sacred franchise of American citizens.

You do realize that the fucking folks we are dealing with ARE NOT GOING TO STOP, don't you?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

46. ....

I would prefer a clear demonstration that the federal government is ready and willing to take bold action to protect the sacred franchise of American citizens.

I get it, you're willing to violate the Posse Comitatus Act and use the active military against US citizens, as the Mango Menace wanted to do.

Have a great weekend.

[maxrandb]

48. So, the federal government has no role in enforcing rights

because the former guy was a criminal dipshit?

Got it! President Biden and the Dems are "exactly the same" as Donnie Short Fingers and the Retrumplicans.

You keep referencing the Posse Comitatus Act. I think it is important to note that this act was passed after Reconstruction after white supremacist and the South had regained power in Congress. It was specifically passed to ensure white supremacists could enact Jim Crow laws without the threat of federal troops intervening against discrimination.

But, even though it has dubious and nefarious purpose for enactment, suppose we support the basic premise of the PC Act. It is not without exemption. I actually support the PC Act, but I also support the Insurrection Act.

the Insur­rec­tion Act allows the pres­id­ent — with or without the state govern­ment’s consent — to use the milit­ary to enforce federal law or suppress a rebel­lion against federal author­ity in a state, or to protect a group of people’s civil rights when the state govern­ment is unable or unwill­ing to do so. Thankfully, they New Mexico Supreme Court intervened.

[sarisataka]

34. "There should be at least ONE political party that respects the rule of law"

... but it's not OUR party?

[maxrandb]

40. Color me confused, but enforcing the law is one way to "respect it"

[sarisataka]

41. Using the military to enforce the law is illegal

So by that suggestion we would not be following the law as we are enforcing the law

[GenX_Dem]

26. Posse Comitatus Act

The Posse Comit­atus Act bars federal troops from parti­cip­at­ing in civil­ian law enforce­ment except when expressly author­ized by law.

Sorry.

[maxrandb]

49. The Posse Comitatus Act has exemptions

BTW - Have the people who seem to worship the PC Act looked into when and why it was passed?

Would love for you to do so, and post your response here.

That would be better than just spouting "Posse Comitatus Act" without context.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

50. You just don't get it do you.

Civilian courts are more than capable of handling these clowns, as has been shown numerous times during the 2020 elections, and now, in 2022, and if the state courts don't remedy the situation according to state law, then the federal judiciary comes into play, but you do NOT send in the Marines to enforce civilian law.

I leave you with this...

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/11/922827554/gen-mark-milley-says-the-military-plays-no-role-in-elections

Gen. Mark Milley Says The Military Plays 'No Role' In Elections

As the presidential election looms, Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, tells NPR's Morning Edition that the military plays no role in politics, and that he has complete trust in America's institutions to manage election disputes.

"We have established a very long 240-year tradition of an apolitical military that does not get involved in domestic politics," Milley told NPR's Steve Inskeep on Sunday.

Milley's comments represent the first time he has addressed the potential for a disputed election in depth in an on-the-record interview.

"We, the U.S. military, we are sworn to obey the lawful orders of our civilian leadership," he said. "And we want to ensure that there is always civilian leadership, civilian control of the military, and we will obey the lawful orders of civilian control of the military."

I side with Gen. M. Milley and the Constitution.

[moonshinegnomie]

28. the court gave them until friday

wait til friday. thats what the court ordered.
if friday comes and goes and the commisioners havent doen their jobs the court shoudl step in and
a) arrest every commissioner for contempt. lock their asses up
b) remove those commissioners from office
c) it looks like the majority of people running for office in that county were republicans. since the county wont certify any of their wins the dont get to be on the ballot in the general election..........

[Emile]

29. Hopefully no one calls you delusional, but I agree with you!

Republicans are all about winning, even if they have to cheat.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. Nobody's calling the OP delusional,

what is being said is that it would be illegal to send in Federal troops to enforce state law and the NM SC has already ruled on the issue.

You know, it's that whole Posse Comitatus Act thingy.

[ripcord]

32. There you go bringing facts into discussions again

[MarineCombatEngineer]

33. I know,

it's a bad habit of mine.

[ripcord]

31. Very bad idea

The problem is being dealt with, we don't need President Biden violating the law.

[whistler162]

45. Okay Mr FG Trump