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Gas price gouging (Original Post) Takket Jun 2022 OP
Why would they Tickle Jun 2022 #1
THE NEW ROBBER BARONS!!! Oldtimeralso Jun 2022 #3
The oil companies are doing it to get rid of Democrats as well as for profits. Dustlawyer Jun 2022 #7
bingo! nt Tickle Jun 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #17
"to get rid of Democrats" KS Toronado Jun 2022 #19
They will PROVE it, if and when Republicans retake House or Senate, and bullwinkle428 Jun 2022 #25
That's funny inthewind21 Jun 2022 #31
Our approach as citizens, as well as our government's, Magoo48 Jun 2022 #8
Don't underestimate the average Tickle Jun 2022 #16
I hope you're correct. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #18
Big John Maggiemayhem Jun 2022 #2
He's screaming it. The President is screaming it. GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #4
Yes! IrishAfricanAmerican Jun 2022 #14
What do you think inthewind21 Jun 2022 #32
Come up with some kind of new... IrishAfricanAmerican Jun 2022 #33
Why Sick_n_Tired Jun 2022 #5
One more time gas prices are not Joe Biden's fault. Shell Oil made $76.5 Billion over the past year Botany Jun 2022 #6
BP gross profit was more in 2019. Shell's gross profit growth since 2019 is less than inflation. mathematic Jun 2022 #11
I'm not sure what to believe... Septua Jun 2022 #30
Had a Republican tell me yesterday the high gas prices are because of Joe Biden. I laughed Emile Jun 2022 #9
I suspect that companies that control the final prices at the pump are also price gouging. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #10
We would be doing back flips is gas was under $6 a gallon. BobTheSubgenius Jun 2022 #12
Let's be REALLY CLEAR: Raster Jun 2022 #13
At one time, there was a windfall profits tax dlk Jun 2022 #20
Exactly! Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #22
National the oil...because they are creating economic challenges for the country, while gouging gree Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #21
A windfall profit tax would settle this issue randr Jun 2022 #23
What percentage of net profits vs revenue constitutes a windfall? MichMan Jun 2022 #24
I heard yesterday that is what GB did randr Jun 2022 #26
+1 spot on! Emile Jun 2022 #27
On a net GBP level or a percentage level? MichMan Jun 2022 #28
Not sure randr Jun 2022 #29

Tickle

(2,525 posts)
1. Why would they
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 06:18 AM
Jun 2022

do such a thing? They are just sitting back and laughing whilst the country goes into a recession. I’m so tired of them being assh@les

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
3. THE NEW ROBBER BARONS!!!
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 07:33 AM
Jun 2022

Except now not like 130 years ago they have used some of the profits to buy a major political party. The sheeple of the devil 's party are so dumb that they don't know they are dumb. Remember " they love the lowly educated ". How else could they perpetuate the BIG LIE!

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
7. The oil companies are doing it to get rid of Democrats as well as for profits.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:07 AM
Jun 2022

They love no environmental regulations and low taxes.

Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #7)

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
19. "to get rid of Democrats"
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:48 AM
Jun 2022

That's the big picture alright, spot on. Oligarchs want Rs back in charge of our government
because of tax breaks and loopholes they desire. Follow the money.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
25. They will PROVE it, if and when Republicans retake House or Senate, and
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:02 AM
Jun 2022

then we see gas prices take a huge drop in the next week or two.

Proof that the prices were completely manipulated.

Magoo48

(4,716 posts)
8. Our approach as citizens, as well as our government's,
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:09 AM
Jun 2022

is like a boxer who only takes punches in every round and sits on the stool between rounds complaining, “He just keeps hitting me.”

We have two choices: fight back with everything we’ve got until we win or get knocked out, or we throw in the towel.

We the people must respond with massive, sustained direct action and peaceful civil disobedience, while our politicians, all of them, do everything they can think up, politically expedient or not, to encourage and support our action.

I’m not too hopeful because this would require massive inconvenience on all our parts for it to work, and we Americans don’t do inconvenience.

Tickle

(2,525 posts)
16. Don't underestimate the average
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:38 AM
Jun 2022

American. History has shown us that when we are pushed in a corner we come out swinging

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
4. He's screaming it. The President is screaming it.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 07:42 AM
Jun 2022

Our useless, fucking media refuses to cover it. Gonna need to find a different, larger megaphone...

IrishAfricanAmerican

(3,816 posts)
33. Come up with some kind of new...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jun 2022

communications strategy?

I have no idea myself but I hope people smarter than me can come up with some kind of new system that will bypass the MSM to some extent and make use of newer technology to reach more people effectively. I know he's using social media pretty effectively but that only reaches some people and there are huge propaganda firehoses filling those spaces with disinformation. There has to be something.

Just spit ballin'

Sick_n_Tired

(21 posts)
5. Why
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 07:48 AM
Jun 2022

Don’t we? We control Congress and the Presidency. We can pass this and show the Republicans as incapable.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
6. One more time gas prices are not Joe Biden's fault. Shell Oil made $76.5 Billion over the past year
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:00 AM
Jun 2022

Oil prices (oil is refined to make gasoline) are in part set by oil price futures. President Biden has little
to do with these transactions. Gasoline futures are also traded and these too help set the price of gas
@ the pump.

"Crude oil futures on the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) are the world's most actively traded futures contract on a physical commodity. Because of its excellent liquidity and price transparency, the contract is used as a principal international pricing benchmark. The NYMEX also offers trading in heating oil futures and gasoline futures."

Oil companies are making a killing right now.
BP annual/quarterly gross profit history and growth rate from 2010 to 2022. Gross profit can be defined as the profit a company makes after deducting the variable costs directly associated with making and selling its products or providing its services.

BP gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2022 was $15.932B, a 16.08% increase year-over-year.
BP gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2022 was $46.328B, a 23.3% increase year-over-year.
BP annual gross profit for 2021 was $44.121B, a 56.42% increase from 2020.
BP annual gross profit for 2020 was $28.207B, a 43.11% decline from 2019.
BP annual gross profit for 2019 was $49.582B, a 0.53% increase from 2018.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/BP/bp/gross-profit#:~:text=1%20BP%20gross%20profit%20for%20the%20quarter%20ending,a%2056.42%25%20increase%20from%202020.%20More%20items...%20

Shell annual/quarterly gross profit history and growth rate from 2010 to 2022. Gross profit can be defined as the profit a company makes after deducting the variable costs directly associated with making and selling its products or providing its services.

Shell gross profit for the quarter ending March 31, 2022 was $21.209B, a 20.14% increase year-over-year.
Shell gross profit for the twelve months ending March 31, 2022 was $76.056B, a 63.43% increase year-over-year.
Shell annual gross profit for 2021 was $72.5B, a 79.66% increase from 2020.
Shell annual gross profit for 2020 was $40.354B, a 42.62% decline from 2019.
Shell annual gross profit for 2019 was $70.331B, a 4.76% decline from 2018.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SHEL/shell/gross-profit#:~:text=Shell%20gross%20profit%20for%20the%20twelve%20months%20ending,2020%20was%20%2440.354B%2C%20a%2042.62%25%20decline%20from%202019.

Republicans and I would dare to say fossil fuel companies want high gas prices in order to hurt Americans
so they will take out their anger on President Biden.

House Democrats pass bill against gas price gouging with no Republican votes
Source: UPI News

May 19 (UPI) -- The U.S. House on Thursday passed a bill to prevent gasoline price gouging bill without a single Republican vote in favor. The vote was 217-207.

The bill sponsored by Rep. Kim Schrier, D-Wash., and Rep. Katie Porter, D-Calif., would make it illegal to sell gas at an excessive price during an energy emergency.

"At a time when people in my district and across the country are feeling the pain of high prices at the gas pump, Congress needs to be doing all we can to bring down costs," Schrier said in a statement.

Schrier said the FTC needs to have the power to investigate and crack down when there's evidence of real gouging.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/house-democrats-pass-bill-against-gas-price-gouging-with-no-republican-votes/ar-AAXtYSe

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142919516

I believe this bill has been killed in the senate by the republicans and most likely Joe Manchin.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
11. BP gross profit was more in 2019. Shell's gross profit growth since 2019 is less than inflation.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:15 AM
Jun 2022

Not only does this not support the claim of price gouging, it actually supports the opposite claim: gas prices are going up because the cost of producing gas is going up.

The big "year over year" increases in profit are due to comparisons with 2020, a year with covid lockdowns that saw oil demand collapse due to people not driving for 2 months.

Septua

(2,256 posts)
30. I'm not sure what to believe...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:54 AM
Jun 2022

..with explanations of the high prices. I've Googled the topic numerous times and one factor that always comes out is the oil companies' big losses in 2020 and their desire to recoup the losses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gas-prices-oil-company-profits-skyrocketing-energy-sector-earnings-charts-2022-5

But as inflation continues to erode Americans' finances, oil giants are catching flak. Some lawmakers have called on the firms to prioritize affordability over shareholder returns. House Democrats Carolyn Maloney and Ro Khanna urged the CEOs of ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, and Chevron in April to cancel plans for stock buybacks and dividends and instead focus on lowering prices. More recently, Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio alleged the companies are solely focused on earnings and hiding behind an excuse of rising operating costs.

"They're not raising prices to cover their costs — they're raising prices to pad their profits," he said in a May 11 tweet.


https://therealnews.com/big-oil-rakes-in-174-billion-in-2021-profits-amid-rising-gas-prices-report?gclid=CjwKCAjwqauVBhBGEiwAXOepkf6I-RVK0pNgd52ESkLP5JjfTuUMRF2KPtm6zFZAoRLYsdbrqm0pWRoCykMQAvD_BwE

Following a coronavirus-driven decline in drilling, fossil fuel corporations in the U.S. have also been reluctant to increase supply despite growing consumer demand, prompting the Biden administration last month to order the release of 50 million barrels from the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve in a bid to reduce costs at the pump.

Big Oil is “taking advantage of bloated prices, fleecing American families along the way,” Accountable.US says in its new report. “Rather than taking steps to lower prices, oil corporations are reveling in their massive profits and using that money for their real priorities: stock buybacks and lining shareholders’ pockets.”

The unwillingness of oil and gas companies to boost production “has been driven by investor sentiment,” Helima Croft, head of global commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets, told CNN last month. Wall Street, she said, doesn’t want producers “to spoil the party” by expanding supply.

Notably, the oil and gas companies that have been disregarding Biden’s pleas to increase production are part of the same industry that resisted his now-defunct moratorium on new fossil fuel leasing on public lands and waters.

“It’s not the government that is banning them from drilling more,” Pavel Molchanov, an analyst at Raymond James, told CNN last month. “It’s pressure from their shareholders.”



"investor sentiment"... Whatever explanation people want to believe is their choice but I just get tired of hearing the ones who say it's Biden's fault.

Emile

(22,789 posts)
9. Had a Republican tell me yesterday the high gas prices are because of Joe Biden. I laughed
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:11 AM
Jun 2022

and said just a minute ago you were calling him a socialist, but now you are saying he is a Predatory Capitalist gouging the public. The subject turned to fishing, LOL.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
10. I suspect that companies that control the final prices at the pump are also price gouging.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:14 AM
Jun 2022

Every part of the supply chain is taking consumers for a ride because they can get away with it.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
12. We would be doing back flips is gas was under $6 a gallon.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:20 AM
Jun 2022

Here, it is over $10. When we move into our townhouse next month, I believe I shall pull an old man move and buy a mobility scooter for shopping and other short errands. A plethora of grocery stores, a liquor store (not a big concern of ours) a theater complex, restaurants and even a huge thrift store are within 5 or 6 blocks. Totally walkable, but not for carrying groceries home any more.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. Let's be REALLY CLEAR:
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:30 AM
Jun 2022

#BigOil does NOT like the Democrats and their regulations and concern about the environment.

#BigOil KNOWS that the "business climate" under the GOP* (in whom they already hold a very large "position&quot would be far more to their liking. #BigOil knows that under the Republicans, the subsidies will flow and the regulations will cease.

#BigOil is making as much profit as they can now, because no matter their efforts, sooner or later the WORLD is going to reach the same conclusion: Petroleum is bad for the planet. Petroleum is bad for our ecosystem. Petroleum is bad for the humans.

The #PriceGougingAtThePump is #BigOil putting their tar-stained hand on the scales of American politics.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
20. At one time, there was a windfall profits tax
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:50 AM
Jun 2022

The oil & gas companies, and other corporations are drunk on greed and giving Americans a big middle finger. It’s “I’ve got mine, to hell with you” on steroids.

Bluethroughu

(5,172 posts)
21. National the oil...because they are creating economic challenges for the country, while gouging gree
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 08:53 AM
Jun 2022

Do the oil companies run this country?

If not, show them who does.

Either pass a bill against gouging or nationalize the oil so we all reap the benefits of our largest export!

randr

(12,412 posts)
26. I heard yesterday that is what GB did
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:08 AM
Jun 2022

Profits above the mean over the past decade could be a base and tax 80% of anything over that.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
28. On a net GBP level or a percentage level?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 09:13 AM
Jun 2022

Dies it apply to every company in the UK or just oil ?

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