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JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:36 AM Jun 2022

The Guilfoyle email that illustrates Cheney's pre-Jan. 6 assistance to Trump World

Politico

In a previously unreported email, the Trump ally called the Wyoming Republican a "congressional co-captain" for the former president's reelection campaign.

By BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN

06/16/2022 04:30 AM EDT

It reads like a time capsule from an alternate universe: Kimberly Guilfoyle, a card-carrying Trump World insider, heaping praise upon Rep. Liz Cheney for helping the former president’s reelection.

In a previously unreported email obtained by POLITICO, Guilfoyle — the former Fox News host now engaged to Donald Trump’s elder son — thanked the Wyoming Republican for supporting Trump’s 2020 bid as a “congressional co-captain” and asked her to do more.

“I wanted to start off by saying a big thank you for your $10,000 contribution to DJTFP and for your continued support for the President,” Guilfoyle, who was national chair of the Trump Victory Finance Committee at the time, wrote to Cheney on April 30, 2020. “I apologize for not being able to join the call yesterday with you and our RNC Co-Chair, Tommy Hicks. Please do not hesitate to reach out if you need anything!”

One year after that note, Cheney’s condemnation of Trump’s handling of his loss would drive her from House GOP leadership and make her persona non grata with much of her party. Guilfoyle’s effusive note, in hindsight, highlights just how quickly and dramatically Trump opposition can turn a leading conservative from power broker to apostate.

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The Guilfoyle email that illustrates Cheney's pre-Jan. 6 assistance to Trump World (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 OP
So Cheney is not to be trusted on this committee because Turbineguy Jun 2022 #1
The article is misleading Effete Snob Jun 2022 #6
Literally for him before she was against him! But, gee, thanks, Liz. I guess. czarjak Jun 2022 #2
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but... Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #3
The article is misleading Effete Snob Jun 2022 #5
This article is misleading Effete Snob Jun 2022 #4
Politico's headline writer is terrible to great reporters like BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN... JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 #17
She, like everyone else in her business, gets paid to attract eyeballs Effete Snob Jun 2022 #29
April, 2020 was long before the coup attempt. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #7
Hit piece, exactly. OnDoutside Jun 2022 #9
Does it seem to you like the Republican response to these hearings has been somewhat weak? Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #19
I think they've learned to wait, so they aren't contradicted the next day Effete Snob Jun 2022 #22
Could be. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2022 #23
A lot of them are lawyers Effete Snob Jun 2022 #32
LOL - All but Chump may have learned that lesson. Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #26
To us, definitely. However, my fear is how many of that small percentage of moderate Republicans who OnDoutside Jun 2022 #33
And she voted 93% with Trump. So what ? She took a stand after Jan 6th which has cost her political OnDoutside Jun 2022 #8
This explains why she is so righteously pissed at this traitor Walleye Jun 2022 #10
I guess I don't see why this is news or in any way surprising fishwax Jun 2022 #11
It was not Trump's re-election campaign fund Effete Snob Jun 2022 #16
I see your point, but I wasn't talking about any fund or donation fishwax Jun 2022 #27
+! Effete Snob Jun 2022 #31
Nope, not this time. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #12
The donation in question was not even to the presidential campaign fund Effete Snob Jun 2022 #20
Who Cares, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2022 #13
She should have cared about the crying little children *rump tore away. JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Effete Snob Jun 2022 #15
It was not a donation to Trump Effete Snob Jun 2022 #21
So? She's A Bad Person, I Agree. I Don't Care, She's Useful Now The Magistrate Jun 2022 #24
Ok use her. But... JoeOtterbein Jun 2022 #25
Who Does? The Magistrate Jun 2022 #30
+1. N/T obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2022 #28
It is not news to anyone that she is a republiQan. The surprise is that she Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #18

Turbineguy

(37,343 posts)
1. So Cheney is not to be trusted on this committee because
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jun 2022

she's fickle and she flips.

I miss the old Soviet propaganda. Capitalist imperialist running dogs and all.

Ohio Joe

(21,757 posts)
3. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:45 AM
Jun 2022

I thought she began turning on TFG after Nov 2020 when he began election conspiracies in earnest and then totally went after him for 1/6. Before the 2020 election, I thought she was on board with him.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. The article is misleading
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:50 AM
Jun 2022

This was not the presidential election campaign fund, but a joint fundraising effort with the RNC and state parties. See my comment below.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
4. This article is misleading
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:49 AM
Jun 2022

In fact, you can look up Liz Cheney's donations - as an individual - at opensecrets.org.

Politicians participate in a lot of different fund raising vehicles.

The one in question here the "Trump Victory Campaign Fund" was not the Trump presidential campaign fund:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-rnc-sign-joint-fundraising-deal/

Donald Trump is entering into joint fundraising agreements with the Republican National Committee in an effort to raise money for his presidential campaign, the national party and down-ballot races.

In statements Tuesday night, the RNC and the presumptive GOP nominee announced they would be establishing two joint fundraising ventures, one called the Trump Victory committee and another named the Make America Great Again committee. The former will be an effort spearheaded by the RNC, Trump's campaign, and 11 state Republican parties; the latter will raise funds between the RNC and Donald J. Trump for President.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Victory_Committee

The article does not explain that the form letter was sent to acknowledge a donation (and it is not clear whether it was from Cheney personally or from other campaign funds of which she is a part) to a vehicle which was not the presidential campaign, but funded state parties and down ballot races.

The article is misleading in that regard, and you would benefit from having a more complete picture.

This, incidentally, is unfortunately typical of many Politico pieces which are designed to convey an impression that is more than the underlying facts support.

Not surprising someone wants to kneecap Liz Cheney.

Yes, she's a longstanding establishment Republican and participated in joint fundraising campaigns with the RNC and state parties.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
17. Politico's headline writer is terrible to great reporters like BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN...
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

...Thanks for adding your well-taken points!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
29. She, like everyone else in her business, gets paid to attract eyeballs
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jun 2022

It's weird to me how many people believe that media professionals are engaged in some sort of hobby.

Absolutely many have passion and are well-motivated, but at the end of the day they would not be doing it if they did not get paid.

A component of that pay is the demonstrated ability to attract eyeballs and to know their audience.

This has distorting effects - even when the gist of the article supports an opinion with which we agree.

In fact, it is when an article supports your own viewpoint that you should be exercising some critical faculties, to compensate for the fact that you are more likely to overlook factual gaps, unsupported inferences, and leaps of logic, when you are inclined to agree with the point of the article in the first place.

Unfortunately, a fair number of people interpret caution or healthy skepticism as being some sort of secret agent for the other side, but I think accuracy matters, no matter what is the piece in question.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. April, 2020 was long before the coup attempt.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jun 2022

It’s not surprising that a Republican was supporting a Republican at that time, or that Guilfoyle would send a note of thanks. It was a presidential election year.

I don’t like Cheney, but she decided, for the good of her country, that there were some bridges she would not cross. I can respect her for that.

This seems like a hit piece. There seems to be a lot of those, all of the sudden.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
19. Does it seem to you like the Republican response to these hearings has been somewhat weak?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:17 AM
Jun 2022

They’ve been very slow to mount any kind of united defense to these committee hearings. For, months, it’s just been the usual loudmouths spouting a bit of nonsense here and there. And now, the hearings have started, and this email on the day of the third hearing is what they’re coming with? It’s a very anemic response.

It seems like the 30 year wall of Republican strength has been cannon balled by Trump and his coup d’etat.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
22. I think they've learned to wait, so they aren't contradicted the next day
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:24 AM
Jun 2022

If they respond before the hearings are over, they risk getting caught with their pants down like Loudermilk.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
23. Could be.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jun 2022

But I am starting to think they’re all caught on electronic or other surveillance. They just have no way to clear themselves. That could cause the waiting, too. It’s just that something about them seems all messed up, to me.

And, good grief, that Loudermilk guy is really dumb. They got real trouble if they’re sending him out on defense. No one from his party is defending him. Maybe that’s what it will come down to…as each one gets caught in the trap, the others go quiet, so as to not call attention to themselves.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
32. A lot of them are lawyers
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

....and totally get that you keep your mouth shut until you know all of the evidence the other side has.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
26. LOL - All but Chump may have learned that lesson.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:40 AM
Jun 2022

He wasted no time in putting out his 12-page manifesto the day after the first hearing. The maroon can't wait to spew his position to the masses. Literally and figuratively, I don't think Chump minds his pants being around his ankles.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
33. To us, definitely. However, my fear is how many of that small percentage of moderate Republicans who
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 12:58 PM
Jun 2022

just vote Republican without thinking, that this will reach. Facts are hard to counter but when you control the RW media world, it's that bit easier unfortunately. They're even calling Luddig a leftie FFS !!!

Time will tell.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
8. And she voted 93% with Trump. So what ? She took a stand after Jan 6th which has cost her political
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:55 AM
Jun 2022

career. Does she not get any credit for that ? She's still a hard right conservative daughter of Cheney the Evil, but she is doing one good and noble thing, which most on the far left would never have expected and seem unable to grasp.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
10. This explains why she is so righteously pissed at this traitor
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:56 AM
Jun 2022

Too bad the rest of the Republicans can’t have an epiphany. What do they call it a road to Damascus moment?

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
11. I guess I don't see why this is news or in any way surprising
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:56 AM
Jun 2022

A republican representative supporting trump's re-election campaign in April of 2020? Who would have guessed!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. It was not Trump's re-election campaign fund
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

This is how deceptive the article is:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-rnc-sign-joint-fundraising-deal/

Donald Trump is entering into joint fundraising agreements with the Republican National Committee in an effort to raise money for his presidential campaign, the national party and down-ballot races.

In statements Tuesday night, the RNC and the presumptive GOP nominee announced they would be establishing two joint fundraising ventures, one called the Trump Victory committee and another named the Make America Great Again committee. The former will be an effort spearheaded by the RNC, Trump's campaign, and 11 state Republican parties; the latter will raise funds between the RNC and Donald J. Trump for President.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Victory_Committee

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
27. I see your point, but I wasn't talking about any fund or donation
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jun 2022

Cheney supported trump's re-election, and she voted for him. Then she realized what a horrible mistake that was after January 6th. The former is no surprise.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
31. +!
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jun 2022

Yep.

It is sort of "Newsflash: She's a Republican". I just want to point out that the article goes a bit far in regard to her claimed specific financial support of Trump in particular.
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. The donation in question was not even to the presidential campaign fund
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:22 AM
Jun 2022

So, not only is it a big "so what", but it is factually misleading.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
13. Who Cares, Sir
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jun 2022

Nobody here is asking her to move in and take up residence, no one here wants policy advice, or expects she'll vote for anything decent by way of social policy. I'm glad a good gut-fighter is standing as a patriot, and it goes no farther than that. But beside that fact, it wouldn't weigh a grain if she was collecting puppies for a Dalmatian coat.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
14. She should have cared about the crying little children *rump tore away.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:05 AM
Jun 2022

She still supported him after that?

Maybe she should have gone to Oz for a heart instead and dumped *rump then.

Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #14)

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
21. It was not a donation to Trump
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:23 AM
Jun 2022

The fund in question was for the RNC, state parties and down-ballot races.

It was not a donation to the Trump presidential campaign fund.

Big surprise - Liz Cheney is a Republican.

I think we knew that.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
24. So? She's A Bad Person, I Agree. I Don't Care, She's Useful Now
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:34 AM
Jun 2022

What do you suggest, that everybody loudly heckle while she speaks with details of her perfidy?

This would serve what end, exactly?

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
30. Who Does?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jun 2022

Hell, there's things President Biden's done I don't much hold with, and see no point whatever to bringing up in the present crisis.

I'm a Popular Front sort. There's just two parties right now: Patriots and Traitors. Ms. Cheney's of the Patriot Party. That's all.

Scrivener7

(50,955 posts)
18. It is not news to anyone that she is a republiQan. The surprise is that she
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jun 2022

is a person with standards and is risking everything to live up to those standards.

If she were not on this committee, with her name, and if all the other republiQans who are testifying were not testifying, there would be no hope for our future.

I put her in the "worthy opponent" category, and I am very grateful for her.

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