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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI scoffed at an idea that the Jan 6 hearings were "for history". What an idiot I've been.
So many former Presidents guilty of so many crimes, and not one paid the consequences for those crimes. Surely, Trump, too, will "get away with it". Oh how wrong that thinking is. Show me the Congressional record that tells us Nixon was negotiating illegally with the North Vietnamese. Or the testimony that Reagan did the same with Iran. Yes, you can learn about the crimes from books, written, sometimes, by the enablers of those crimes.
But these hearings have laid out for history the facts behind an attempted coup inspired, enabled and encouraged by a corrupt President who grifted his followers as his coup failed. They have laid out evidence so damning that History will need not judge, only report what happened. And the judgement will follow.
History will not be kind to TFG, and these hearings have handed History a sledgehammer.
Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)I believe - I hope - it salts the earth and makes another tfg presidential campaign impossible. That is an enormous accomplishment.
If nothing else happens, I think this means he will never have any power again.
And, yes, history will despise him. If he realizes that, given his particular mental deformity, it might actually kill him.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)It isn't only for history. I'm coming to believe that Trump won't go to jail, at least not for this. But I want to see lots of others in jail and/or disbarred, and/or utterly disgraced, and/or bankrupted.
Trump has already ruined several "conservative" presidential hopes and reputations. If he could sink five or ten members of the House and a few Senators, it could be a real benefit to the country. Esp. if those people are running for re-election this year.
LudwigPastorius
(9,155 posts)History isn't going to legally charge and prosecute these scumbags.
And, if they not only get away with it, but get back in power, History will likely be rewritten to suit them.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)To excise Trump away from the traditional Republicans in the way a fine surgeon cuts away a pussy boil.
Take a look. This is probably advised by Cheney's dad, in an attempt to save the traditional GOP who have lost power to MAGA mania.
But traditional GOP is also ugly. Think of the damage they did to the country BEFORE Trump, even. Their intentions are still the same, even if they are able to shake off this pile of shit from the last six years.
Raster
(20,998 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)he looked at both parties from what I heard and IMHO, thank god he picked the Party where he probably thought he could get away w/ anything (and he is thinking he did/thought he did, again, IMHO, no he didn't get away w/ it). I'd like to imagine that day by day, thousands and possibly more drift away from him leaving only the white supremacists, and other worse actors. Not near enough to win any elections but he'll continue to scam people.
You would think that after scamming some $250 million dollars already (and probably more), along w/ all of the other scammers that the GOP has put forward, just how much more abuse, how much more money does these 'marks' have left over?
Perhaps some of the smarter GOP 'marks' will start asking themselves 'where is all of this money going, tRUMP'? Of course they already know the answer, it's simply going into tRUMP's pockets for his own personal use, which I think is illegal, I'm not 100% sure.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...in other words, retirees.
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)Wasn't it something like 80% of the money coming from seniors?
ReluctanceTango
(219 posts)He was a GQPer for most of his life. He was GQP 80s (or earlier) into the 90s, an "Independent"/Reform Party nutbag for some of the 90s, and a D only for a short time in the early 2000s. Since Obama, he's been hardcore GQP.
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)Self-described
Trump speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in 2015
Donald Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987; since that time, he has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[4]
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat", explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."[5] In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that "I identify with some things as a Democrat."[4]
etc.
Metro135
(359 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)and she isn't willing to embrace Trump or Trumpism to do it.
She is cleansing the party of MAGA so the old traditionalists can resume control.
Daddy is likely fully involved in the strategy.
sop
(10,193 posts)wiggs
(7,814 posts)the Cte's findings spread beyond a chosen few, Trump included of course. But apparently other elected officials are off the table.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)House strike it from the record? That won't keep historians from hearing it, though.
iemanja
(53,035 posts)They can't strike it out entirely. Historians will be able to access it for decades to come.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)is that Attorney General Garland brings charges against that treasonous son-of-a-bitch.
It's nice that Trump's name will forever be associated with treason, but unless there's some price to be paid for his greasy life its all for naught, in my opinion.
lees1975
(3,861 posts)failure #45 was corrupt beyond what anyone might have previously imagined. He was the worst.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)going to get to in 6 hearings.