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jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:14 PM Jun 2022

Eureka! I now understand clearly why it has taken 17, plus, months to present these hearings.

It came to me in a fleeting flash of inspiration.

The Jan. 6 committee is utilizing the voices of living Republicans to deliver facts to the American people.

Ponder the Herculean nature of that task for a moment if you will. I believe the herding of cats is less challenging and harnessing the energies of ants to generate electricity less daunting. Posterity will compare the effort to the birth of our government, the original framing of the US constitution. But those pioneers were not forced to overcome the problem of finding any current Republican capable of reading, writing and understanding TRUTH, much less capable of comprehending the concept of FACTS. The committee should be prebooked into the high rent districts of heaven for managing to corral these shits as well as they have and still manage to see the general direction of its work lead to an accurate revelation of the story.

BTW: hang Jacob and his "Democrat" in lieu of the proper term "Democratic", describing Democratic congressmen in 2000, in his testimony, what a punk ass, for inserting his shit just because he could. Also, Luttig is the epitome of sloth squirrel. There are whole civilizations risen and fell whose first structures date to the beginning of his testimony.

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Eureka! I now understand clearly why it has taken 17, plus, months to present these hearings. (Original Post) jaxexpat Jun 2022 OP
Jacob also had to get that evangelical plug in there, too, Lars39 Jun 2022 #1
Makes me wonder in how many ways will these bastards continue to "own the libs". jaxexpat Jun 2022 #2
Lying for the cause, I'd say innumerable Lars39 Jun 2022 #4
These types are still in thrall to the money class - the evangists and the plutocrats. erronis Jun 2022 #18
Totally agree! Lars39 Jun 2022 #20
At first I wondered why the committee chose to play so many clips and queue up MLAA Jun 2022 #21
Yeah, I definitely think they're trying to reach Lars39 Jun 2022 #23
Don't forget - Luttig is "one of the Right's foremost legal minds." dchill Jun 2022 #3
obviously. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #7
I kept thinking of a (r)epuglicon slug. If a fly flew by, his tongue would be quick. erronis Jun 2022 #19
The committee is not even a year old Bev54 Jun 2022 #5
These days have been coming since Jan.7, 2021. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #6
Republicans will never be stupid enough to let hearings like this happen again. meadowlander Jun 2022 #8
True. Reminescent of the Russian boycott of the UNSC resolution authorizing the Korean War. Marcuse Jun 2022 #10
"understand clearly why it has taken 17, plus, months" -The J6 Committe was formed on *July 1, 2021* BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #9
Do you not see that these hearings were destined from the moment the insurrection failed? jaxexpat Jun 2022 #15
I saw your earlier replies upthread BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #22
You put some effort into that reply and I felt that I needed to respond. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #24
"government has relegated it's work to book keepers" BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #27
An informative perspective. Super! Was Ford or Carter's term your first? jaxexpat Jun 2022 #28
Close BumRushDaShow Jun 2022 #29
1,000 interviews and 140,000 documents, video footage, transcripts etc. couldn't HELP ancianita Jun 2022 #11
The Committee has done an amazing job. We can thank Nancy for refusing to let Jordon on it. housecat Jun 2022 #12
What I said every time I read a post or a comment complaining about how slow the investigation was Martin68 Jun 2022 #13
Much is being made of the witnesses being Republican, but no Democrats were on the inside bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #14
I expect that those Republicans were the exact people whose testimony was necessary. jaxexpat Jun 2022 #16
Yep DownriverDem Jun 2022 #17
Great post malaise Jun 2022 #25
Great post malaise Jun 2022 #26

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
1. Jacob also had to get that evangelical plug in there, too,
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022

talking about Pence in heaven., and divine inspiration of founding fathers.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
18. These types are still in thrall to the money class - the evangists and the plutocrats.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:51 PM
Jun 2022

They cooperate but also are ready to undermine.
(I guess the Democraty.)

MLAA

(17,298 posts)
21. At first I wondered why the committee chose to play so many clips and queue up
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 05:11 PM
Jun 2022

questions that led to prayers, references to the Bible etc. It bothered me greatly as I’m a big believer of separation of church and state. Then I thought about and relented hoping it was done in an attempt to better reach all the nutty former guy evangelicals.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
23. Yeah, I definitely think they're trying to reach
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 05:32 PM
Jun 2022

those that can be reached. Gotta speak their language sometimes.

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
6. These days have been coming since Jan.7, 2021.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jun 2022

Like a seabound glacier, inexorably and predictably barreling down toward this time. Melting all along the way.

meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
8. Republicans will never be stupid enough to let hearings like this happen again.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:34 PM
Jun 2022

For all the issues with Luttig, imagine if Jim Jordan, Devon Nunez, or Ted Cruz had been sitting on the Committee.

They've slipped up and let government function a little bit here.

And using primarily video-taped sworn testimony lets them edit it down to the point instead of calling someone like Barr as a witness so he can huff and puff and make faces and nit-pick the question on the stand the same way he did during the impeachment.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
9. "understand clearly why it has taken 17, plus, months" -The J6 Committe was formed on *July 1, 2021*
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 02:39 PM
Jun 2022
H.Res.503 - Establishing the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.117th Congress (2021-2022) | Get alerts

Sponsor: Rep. Pelosi, Nancy [D-CA-12] (Introduced 06/28/2021)
Committees: House - Rules
Latest Action: House - 06/30/2021 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. (All Actions)
Roll Call Votes: There has been 1 roll call vote
Tracker: Tip

This bill has the status Agreed to in House

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/503/text


Date All Actions

06/30/2021-3:48pm Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
06/30/2021-3:48pm On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 222 - 190 (Roll no. 197). (text: CR H3323-3324)
06/30/2021-3:08pm The previous question was ordered pursuant to the rule.
06/30/2021-1:47pm DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 503.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/503/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
15. Do you not see that these hearings were destined from the moment the insurrection failed?
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:43 PM
Jun 2022

This exposition of facts to the public, in whatever format, has been as inevitable as tomorrow's dawn. The formation of the committee was merely a benchmark date of this process. In the world of people resolving conflict by telling truth to those who don't want to listen, it does not require a record of parliamentary events to initiate series of events any more than it requires that record to justify their initiation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
22. I saw your earlier replies upthread
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 05:17 PM
Jun 2022

and what I posted was also to correct some of the misconceptions that "Democrats were doing nothing for a year and a half".

One of the purposes of Congress is "oversight" so "hearings" are to gather the details of potential problems and determine the needs for fixing those problems including via legislation.

And as an important side note - there was actually a 2nd Impeachment that happened as a result of January 6 that I think people sortof remember but then forget.

The Impeachment Resolution was submitted January 11, 2021 (5 days after Janaury 6) and was passed by the House on January 13, 2021. It was then engrossed and sent to the Senate on January 25, 2021.

H.Res.24 - Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
117th Congress] (2021-2022) | Get alerts

Resolution

Sponsor: Rep. Cicilline, David N. [D-RI-1] (Introduced 01/11/2021)
Committees: House - Judiciary
Latest Action: Senate - 02/13/2021 The Senate adjudges that Donald John Trump, former President of the United States, is not guilty as charged in the Article of Impeachment by Yea-Nay Vote. 57 - 43. Record Vote Number: 59. (All Actions)
Roll Call Votes: There have been 2 roll call votes
Tracker: This bill has the status Agreed to in House


Received in Senate (01/25/2021)


117th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. RES. 24
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
January 25, 2021


Received

RESOLUTION

Impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following article of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

ARTICLE I: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION

The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment” and that the President “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”. Further, section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits any person who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the United States from “hold[ing] any office … under the United States”. In his conduct while President of the United States—and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed—Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that:

On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, DC. There, he reiterated false claims that “we won this election, and we won it by a landslide”. He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged—and foreseeably resulted in—lawless action at the Capitol, such as: “if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore”. Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session’s solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive, and seditious acts.

President Trump’s conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to “find” enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.

In all this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

Attest: cheryl l. johnson,
Speaker of the House of Representatives

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/24/text


The Senate trial began February 9, 2021 and concluded with an acquittal vote on February 13, 2021.

So some of the research from the above laid a foundation for the creation of that J6 Committee, that had to navigate the Kevin McCarthy landmines of putting the usual loon clowns like Gymsuit Jordan on the Committee, which would have made it a joke.

So after all that, I will just say that "the public" saw an "exposition of facts" literally days after the event via a 2nd Impeachment. I'll also note that the J6 Committee ALSO had a hearing a year ago, a couple weeks after they came into existence (July 27, 2021), which folks also forget (and even the Committee seems to forget it ) - https://january6th.house.gov/legislation/hearings/law-enforcement-experience-january-6th


jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
24. You put some effort into that reply and I felt that I needed to respond.
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jun 2022

The members have been diligent. They have pitfalls and contrivance all around their every step. Placed purposefully by those who would usurp the power of justice for their own grabs at power for its own sake. I can't stand at their side nor encourage them in their moments of despair. I think the biggest problem in the maintenance of America is that the government has relegated it's work to book keepers. Accountants can't govern but they can cause ignorance to become a norm.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
27. "government has relegated it's work to book keepers"
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 07:16 PM
Jun 2022

Well as a now-retired 30+ year "bureaucrat" (or "bookeeper" as you might be calling the feds) many might be surprised that "we" (civil servants) actually believed in providing a "public service". And when we witnessed a veritable panoply of "elected officials" who have come and gone, "we" were still there to hold down the fort, and keep the country from completely collapsing during periods of wild political policy whiplash, and in my case, that meant working under 6 different Presidents.

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
28. An informative perspective. Super! Was Ford or Carter's term your first?
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 08:34 PM
Jun 2022

In your opinion, do bureaucrats' political predispositions unintentionally impact the workings of government on a macro scale? Does their exposure to politicians harden them to the whims of polity?

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
29. Close
Fri Jun 17, 2022, 09:20 PM
Jun 2022

It was Raygun...

And although it might boggle the mind how nowadays, you have increasingly loony GOP civil servants who will "rant and rave about the government" that they get their paychecks from , the low-levels don't usually have any "political impact" or say whatsoever. That usually happens much further up the chain - i.e., the managers and their staff that some of the low-level appointees might bring in who are strictly there to "follow and enforce orders", but who often become the "fall guys" as it were, for whatever decisions get made by those who we would dub the "GS-1000s".

And after awhile, you do have to get hardened to it as every day you come into the office, there are "official portraits" of whoever is the current President hanging prominently up on a wall in the building lobby. Most of the appointees don't last a full term as it is.

ancianita

(36,081 posts)
11. 1,000 interviews and 140,000 documents, video footage, transcripts etc. couldn't HELP
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 03:41 PM
Jun 2022

but blow the roof off the House.

Kudos to James Goldson, multimedia producer of the evidence bombs.

Martin68

(22,822 posts)
13. What I said every time I read a post or a comment complaining about how slow the investigation was
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:25 PM
Jun 2022

going. They had to get this right, and they did.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
14. Much is being made of the witnesses being Republican, but no Democrats were on the inside
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:29 PM
Jun 2022

so what would you expect?

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
16. I expect that those Republicans were the exact people whose testimony was necessary.
Thu Jun 16, 2022, 04:47 PM
Jun 2022

Personally, I just get annoyed listening to Republican's opinionating, no matter what they're saying.

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