I guess we'll never know why Pence refused to get in the car,

[Beachnutt]

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I have heard he refused in fear of assasination..
No vice President no vote certification.
trump wanted him dead.


"Tim, I know you and trust you but you're not the one behind the wheel."--VP Pence to his Secret Service detail after evacuating his office, refuses to get into his car.

[Scrivener7]

1. Those seem like likely reasons!

[TwilightZone]

2. That was covered in the testimony today.

He didn't want the American public to see the Vice President fleeing from the Capitol.

"I have heard he refused in fear of assasination.."

"I heard" is rarely a reliable source, in any context.

[Beachnutt]

11. I really don't believe he did not get in that car

because he is an honorable man doing the right thing...just me though.
I mean how do you believe a liar ?

[Demsrule86]

38. First of all, he could have just done what Trump wanted but he didn't. I think he acted

honorably.

[Whiskeytide]

21. I know Mr. Heard. He's Manny Peoples cousin. I wouldn't believe a word he says. n/t

[Beachnutt]

25. You heard what was said about it in the hearing

it was no matter of fact...

[onetexan]

28. I heard what you did there

[Demsrule86]

39. Trump wanted him dead clearly and why send some unknow SS people?

[edhopper]

40. Then why the comment

about the driver. Seems clear he thought he was in danger in the car more than the Capitol.

[Emile]

3. He was afraid they would have driven him away from congress and Grassley with

the fake electors would have gave the presidency to Trump.

[Best_man23]

4. I think what it came down to was this

Pence did not want to give the visual that the insurrectionists had forced him from the building.

That said, had the insurrectionists broke into the garage, his Secret Service detail would have rushed him into the car, driven him out, and the agents left behind would have likely produced automatic weapons and gone full Tony Montana-End of Scarface on the horde.

[TwilightZone]

9. That's what his staff said.

He didn't want the public to see the VP fleeing the Capitol.

And it makes sense. Certainly more so than the conspiracy theories that people toss around.

[Mr.Bill]

31. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi had a similar

situation and did the same thing. If the SS was really doing what they thought necessary for Pence's safety, they should have been doing the same for Pelosi, and also Grassley.

[Demsrule86]

41. It was all about getting rid of Pence. Grassley was on board with Trump and Nancy could not

fulfill Pence's role...they would have killed him.

[Beachnutt]

32. Does this sound like he was thinking abouta visual ?

"Tim, I know you and trust you but you're not the one behind the wheel."--VP Pence to his Secret Service detail after evacuating his office, refuses to get into his car.

[edhopper]

42. You are right.

That statement has nothing to do with visuals.
Don't know why some here can't see that.

[Alsteen]

5. Well

I think Mike has seen the Godfather.

[msongs]

6. he thought leaving the scene was a bad idea. leaving the scene meant the electoral vote had to

be postponed giving the trump team time to finish their dirty work. and he did not want to give trump the satisfaction IMO

[onetexan]

29. +1 -K&R

[Deuxcents]

7. Thankfully, he went with his gut feelings

[luvallpeeps]

8. Can't help myself. It makes me think of this oldie.😎🎺

Don’t do it Mikey!,😝😂🤣😂

[hatrack]

10. I can guess why . . .

Pence doesn't strike me as well versed in history, but he may know some of the basics of Vietnamese history post-1945.

[FakeNoose]

12. Pence knew one thing would happen if he were to leave the Capitol

Pence knew he could NOT leave the Capitol until the electoral voting confirmation was completed. That's why he stayed.

It wasn't that he thought the Secret Service guys would assassinate him - of course not. But Pence didn't recognize those guys who were trying to get him into the car since they weren't his regular detail. Once he left the grounds, Chump would have tweeted telling the rioters to stop and go home. Grassley would have/could have taken over the proceedings and Pence couldn't let that happen. Grassley would have done what Chump wanted, and the gig would have been up.

Just so you know, the SS guys were planning to take Pence to the same secure hiding place where Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell and a a few others were waiting. They would have been safe, but Pence he would have been prevented from completing the electoral voting confirmation. Pence already knew what Chump's plan was, because Chump TOLD HIM, and Mike refused to go along with it.

[inthewind21]

17. Well

If Pelosi and McConnell and a few others were gone, how do you think the process would have been completed? You do know it requires ALL of congress and not just the VP. Yes, he could have left the capital. Just as other members of congress did.

[LuckyCharms]

13. He sensed a bad outcome.

He probably doesn't even know what he sensed at the time, but he knew it wasn't good.

[Beachnutt]

14. I can agree with that.

But he is no honorable man.

[LuckyCharms]

26. I agree. Honorable is never a word I would use to describe him. nt

[onetexan]

30. Agree

[sarisataka]

15. But we can speculate

I heard he was afraid Trump would have him flown to Saudi Arabia and forced to be a servant for a member of the royal family

[Beachnutt]

19. Bone saw treatment ?

[sarisataka]

22. And Pence was never seen again... nt

[brush]

16. That is quite possible. He was wise not to get in the car.

Even if the driver wasn't in cahoots with the trump cabal it's doubtful Pence would've gotten back to the Capitol that day to complete his Constitutional duty of counting and confirming the EC votes, and that would've been enough for trump to declare martial law and who knows what would've followed after that with Grassley waiting in the wings.

[inthewind21]

18. What is with

All this Pence couldn't leave the capital. He didn't certify everything alone. Pelosi came back, McConnell came back. ALL of congress came back. The VP doesn't do it alone.

[brush]

20. Yeah, but the Constitution says the VP has to be there.

If he wasn't, who knows what trump and his cabal would've done. I'm pretty sure it would good for trump but not for the nation and Biden who won.

[Demsrule86]

37. Pelosi couldn't do it...Grassley would have done what Trump wanted. No doubts about that one

[Srkdqltr]

23. In time he will write a book and tell the story .... whatever way makes him look best.

[lamp_shade]

24. As he said to the Secret Service person "I trust YOU but you're not driving the car"

[CTyankee]

27. He remembered the movie "The Godfather."

[Fozzledick]

33. He knew they would only keep the cannoli.

[keithbvadu2]

34. The President sent a personal car for you, sir.

[BlueIdaho]

35. Easy...

He didn’t want to get Martha Mitchelled.

[Demsrule86]

36. They would have murdered him...