The Insurrection they planned for - isn't the insurrection they

[erronis]

https://digbysblog.net/2022/06/17/the-insurrection-they-planned-for/

The intent of trump was to cause an uprising among citizens protesting his usurpation of power. He was thinking that he could call out the troops because the citizens were being unruly. Turns out his deplorables were the rioters.

(Much good material preceding.)

Taylor thinks Trump purposefully incited the mob of January 6th for that purpose but Thursday’s testimony is far more suggestive of a plan to invoke the act after Pence overturned the election, inciting expected street protests from the people whose votes had just been discarded and whose democracy had just been incinerated. This would have given Trump the excuse he needed to solidify his coup with a classic military intervention.

Trump and his henchmen may very well have known their actions would incite an insurrection. They just planned for a different one than they got. When the mob stormed the Capitol, Trump was left with the choice to call out the National Guard on his own supporters or let them try to overturn the election by force. We all know which path he chose to take.

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1. The take over of the Capitol didn't work quickly enough...

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thanks to the over-taxed Capitol Police who fought it off valiantly for hours. It's been reported that trump watched it enthusiastically as it unfolded on TV but refused for hours to call out the Nat'l Guard.

It's pretty obvious he wanted the takeover to succeed so either Grassley, the Senate Pro Tem, would do what Pence wouldn't, or he would declare martial law on the 7th of Jan and he'd be in total charge and all bets would be off in such an unprecedented in US history event. The Constitution doesn't even provided a hint of a clause to cover such an eventuality.

[hedda_foil]

4. I just realized today that Grassley was no longer pro tem.

The Senate had turned over making Leahey President pro tem.

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5. Did that happen recently?

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12. No. I forgot the Senate stayed R until the Georgia Senators were sworn in on 1/20

So it was still under r control until then.

[Novara]

2. The article makes several really great points from a perspective I hadn't explored

The orange motherfucker assumed Pence would overturn the election and the actual insurrection would have been the 78 million Biden voters taking to the streets afterwards, were he could then declare martial law and go after us all. He wanted to do it during the George Floyd protests. He figured Pence would do what he demanded and we would take to the streets, and he could then put us down with violence.

Yeah, they got an insurrection, all right. But not the one they planned for. Instead of us Biden voters marching in the streets, it was his deplorables who ransacked the capitol and looked to find (and murder) Pence and Pelosi just for good measure.

Imagine that. It was supposed to be US, not the deplorables.

That's why they're scared shitless. They hadn't planned on it being their deplorables as the insurrectionists. They assumed it would be the Biden voters. And now they all run the risk of prosecution for sedition.

I wouldn't even say he riled up the crowd during the rally before the violence. He did it when he tweeted that Pence didn't do his job after the breach of the capitol already began. Someone testified that at that moment - when that tweet went out - that's when the crowd inside and outside the building surged and grew enraged.

In addition, he wanted the National Guard to protect the DEPLORABLES from BIDEN VOTERS.

It all makes sense now.

Wow - thanks for posting this!

[erronis]

7. Thanks for your additional analysis. I was very impressed by the author.

[Novara]

9. You're more than welcome

Me too, and I really appreciated being able to think about this from a different perspective. I mean, we've lived with the news of the failed coup for so long that it had become cemented. This writer's conclusions make everything make a lot more sense now. And it all hinges on Pence and whether or not he did what he was told to do. If he did, the insurrection would have come from Dem voters. But he didn't, and the insurrection came from the deplorables. That very day. No wonder the orange motherfucker didn't want to call out the National Guard. He planned to use them to protect his deplorables against Biden voters; he surely didn't want to use them against his own deplorables!

Imagine how different things could have been.

And I hate to admit it, but Pence saved us, he really saved us by doing his job and not bowing to pressure. He saved democracy and he saved the Biden supporters who likely would have marched in the street had he illegally fucked up the vote. I don't appreciate him for anything else, but he will go down in history as the linchpin to maintaining democracy.

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3. I don't get this. If that were the case, why send a mob at all?

No need for a speech or a mob. If Pence and the republicans had stolen the election, that's all that would have been needed. Either Donnie becomes president without meaningful protest, or there is meaningful protest and then Donnie does this military coup / martial law idea.

Sending the *his* mob to protest does seem to make sense if that was the idea.

[erronis]

8. I believe that trump wanted a clash between his thugs and the americans protesting his coup.

The bloodier the better. Remember also that the thugs had stockpiled weapons to be used when the full-on clash started.

[Novara]

10. The mob was to apply additional pressure on Pence

He believed that Pence would give in, but Pence was showing signs that he wouldn't. The orange asshole is used to getting his way and he was using the mob to ensure Pence would cave. But he didn't count on Pence not being intimidated.

[viva la]

6. A question bugging me... what if they got Pence?

Maybe Trump didn't openly want that, but he clearly knew it could happen and he made sure it stayed possible by refusing to send help ... and by inciting the crowd to call for Pence's hanging.

Okay... say Trump got this outcome. What did he think would happen? That the country would go along with it? That Chuck Grassley would immediately take over and do Trump's bidding? That he could blame antifa? That he could get everyone to agree Pence deserved it? That he could now assert that he had to stay in office because of this assassination? Declare martial law?

What was his desired end there? Could he really think that somehow he'd get away with it, that the nation wouldn't have questions about this?

And who among his aides knew what he planned/allowed and said nothing?

With Trump, you never know how far he thought anything through.
Maybe he had no plan for after.... but what about kushner, Meadows, the noncrazies?

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11. If they had gotten to Pence It would have been out of pure revenge

And why shouldn't the orange motherfucker get away with it? He always has gotten away with criminality in the past. He wasn't bluffing when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it. We always thought that was hyperbole. It wasn't.

[viva la]

13. You're probably right....

Trump couldn't think past his own desire for dominance.

He'd just assume he'd get what he wanted, and the world would fall in line.