Eastman not getting a pardon is very telling.

[fightforfreedom]

We all know Trump loves pardons. However they are not fool proof. You have to document what the pardon is for. The person getting the pardon may lose his right to the 5th. Under the law, if you receive a pardon you are admitting guilt. All the people taking the 5th most likely did not get a pardon. That would include Eastman and Rudy.

I was wrong about secret pardons. It is possible Trump gave his family some type of broad secret pardon. I don't know if they would hold up in court. Fucking crazy shit.

Yesterday, Trump was once again offering future pardons to people, in an attempt to get them to keep their mouths shut. Will it work, I don't know.

Trump loves pardons, but they are not FOOL proof.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Ignorance asking:

Will Pardons be legally enforceable if the President gave them to further a criminal act that he was himself committing?

[Tetrachloride]

2. Its up to Congress, the Supreme Court, The View and Chuck Todd

if pardons are enforceable.

[EndlessWire]

6. LOL! n/t

[fightforfreedom]

3. Good question, I don't know.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Foreknowledge of a crime, and accomplices

It's like a phalanx of mob criminals armed with blanket pardons.

Wouldn't pardon of a future crime make both sides of the pardon an accomplice - part of a conspiracy?

Pardons should not be for friends and family.

[gab13by13]

5. There is a procedure for pardons

that has not been followed for decades. We need to get back to issuing pardons how they were intended.

You would think that Democrats would lead the way for this. I have heard Jamie Raskin speak out on this.

The only pardons that I see anyone challenging are blanket pocket pardons, if they are out there.

[tanyev]

7. Plus, Eastman failed.

Donny didn't get what he wanted, so no pardon for Eastman.

[sop]

9. Trump the Pardon Nazi: "No pardon for you!"

[2naSalit]

10. Exactly!

He's a loser.

[mucifer]

8. The pardons will be tied up in court for years while the criminals leave the USA IMO

[Irish_Dem]

11. The GOP will use every trick in the book to evade responsibility for their crimes.

They take advantage of every loophole, every law, custom and norm to get off the hook for their crime spree.

[gulliver]

12. Pardoning Eastman would make it look like Trump committed a crime

Which, of course, he did.

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. It is a myth that accepting a pardon means admitting guilt.

https://courtmartiallaw.com/military-law/if-you-accept-a-pardon-does-it-admit-guilt/

Numerous other sources confirming this.

Secret presidential pardons are not a thing.

[fightforfreedom]

15. Not so. If you are being pardoned for a crime, you are saying you committed the crime.

People don't get pardoned for crimes they did not commit. Ari did a piece on his show last night about this. The Supreme Court has ruled on this.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. The SCOTUS ruling was very narrow, for one case.

From WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-presidential-pardons/2018/06/06/18447f84-69ba-11e8-bf8c-f9ed2e672adf_story.html

Pardons are only for guilty people; accepting one is an admission of guilt.

In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.” Over the years, many have come to see a necessary relationship between a pardon and guilt. Ford carried the Burdick quote in his wallet, defending the Nixon pardon by noting that it established Nixon’s guilt. More recently, MSNBC host Ari Melber taunted Arpaio by saying he had admitted he was guilty when he accepted Trump’s pardon.

But Burdick was about a different issue: the ability to turn down a pardon. The language about imputing and confessing guilt was just an aside — what lawyers call dicta. The court meant that, as a practical matter, because pardons make people look guilty, a recipient might not want to accept one. But pardons have no formal, legal effect of declaring guilt.

And more:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/ex-soldiers-acceptance-trump-pardon-didnt-constitute-confession-guilt-court-2021-09-23/

[Straw Man]

14. Wouldn't a secret pardon ...

... be like a tree falling in the forest?

[fightforfreedom]

16. That's what I thought. I thought it was crazy.

But it is possible to give pardons and not announce it. I looked it up.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Post a link

Including examples of when/how “secret” presidential pardons have been used.