General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn 2004, I bought a 24' gas-guzzling moving van from UHaul.
My wife and I were moving from California to Minnesota, but didn't have a home yet, there. We planned to buy our next home, using the proceeds of our house in California to pay cash for a house in MN. Home prices were way higher in California, so we were able to buy a house for about half of what we realized from the sale of our home.
So, we'd have to store our furniture and everything else for at least a month. So, I did the math, and buying a used moving truck for the move would save us thousands of dollars. It could be stored in Minnesota until move-in day there. No extra loading and unloading costs or high storage fees. Then, once we moved it, we could sell the truck, which we did, for a little less than we paid for it.
That truck cost us $6000 to buy. It was big enough to do the job. I loaded it myself, over a month. Then we set off on our trip.
It seemed like a huge truck to me, despite it being a small truck as moving trucks go. It had a 50-gallon saddle fuel tank. It got between 4 and 6 miles per gallon, depending on whether you were on flat ground or going uphill. We were driving about 400 miles per day, so it stopped at a gas station twice each day. In 2004 in June, gas prices were about $2.10 per gallon on average so every fill-up cost about $100. It took us 6 days to make the drive, with me in the truck and my wife in our minivan, which got much better gas mileage.
So, every day of those six days, I burned about $150 worth of gas. That seemed like a lot, but it was all part of the cost of the move. I needed a big truck to tote my junk from one state to the other state. Want to see what gasoline cost during many, many years? Here's a link:
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
My point? Well, my nephew was complaining about how much a tank of gas cost him last week. He drives a Ford F350 crew cab pickup with the largest gasoline engine available for that truck. I don't know how big his gas tank is, but I'm guessing he spent more to fill it up than I did with my 4 mpg moving truck with the 50-gallon tank.
Why does he have that particular truck? There's no good answer, really. He doesn't haul anything in its bed. He doesn't own a travel trailer or boat to tow behind it. Last time I saw his truck, there wasn't a scratch inside the bed. But, you know, it's a manly truck, that Ford F350. Very manly. He's very proud of it, as well he might be, I suppose.
My response to his complaint was, "Maybe you need a smaller truck?" Silence.
MacKasey
(986 posts)MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Lots of people don't.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)MineralMan
(146,313 posts)That's important to some, apparently.
Tree Lady
(11,468 posts)Hippie mom with her Prius are now saying what a great car it is and one of them said they might buy one as next car.
I took a picture of my mileage where it showed I got 500 miles and wasn't on empty on my 10 gal tank, sent it to them.
Prius has a thing while driving to say how mpg is going I usually get 55-60 mpg.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Most of our miles are electric.
It's a 2011 and paid for.
I paid 8500 for it in about 2016 when gas was cheap.
Tree Lady
(11,468 posts)For cash in between moves taking money from sale. Love my car!
Response to JCMach1 (Reply #22)
Mosby This message was self-deleted by its author.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)GM engineered the hell out of the early ones
#2512 I believe
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)I traded it in for a Venza, one of Toyotas hybrid SUVs because I needed a vehicle with greater clearance on my farm. Average at 10,000 miles is 45 mpg.
I really have no sympathy for people who do not need a big truck having one.
Lots of farmers really do need these vehicles. I dont know why anyone else does.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)The pedestrian is a four-year-old.
In some nerdy Internet circles specifically, bike and pedestrian advocacy it has become trendy to take a selfie in front of the bumper of random neighborhood Silverados. Among the increasingly popular heavy-duty models, the height of the trucks front end may reach a grown mans shoulders or neck. When you involve children in this exercise it starts to become really disturbing. My four-year-old son, for example, barely cleared the bumper on a lifted F-250 we came across in a parking lot last summer.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)a townhome, I bought a pickup, because there was going to be work for it to do. I bought a 1966 Ford Ranger with a 2.3 liter four-banger engine and manual transmission. Small? Yes, but it did a lot of work getting ready sell and moving into our new place. We hired movers for the main move, but I moved a lot of stuff myself, hauled crap to the dump and recycling place and thrift stores.
Then, when we moved into our new place, I sold the little Ranger for the same money I bought it for and we bought another high gas mileage car.
I've owned maybe 20 pickups. Each of them was purchased because I needed a truck for a while. Then, when that need was gone, I passed it along to the next owner who needed a truck. There's always an old pickup for sale that will do the job, and it will always be worth the same when you sell it along. Sort of a free truck, really. Most of mine have been small pickups, since they hold enough junk to suit me.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Hey, look, a crew cab! And it starts just under $26,000. Oy.
https://www.ford.com/trucks/ranger/
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Feh! A lot of guys want a small truck. Nobody makes those any longer, though.
NickB79
(19,244 posts)So it's taken the place of the 90's Ranger.
It also starts at $20,000 and comes with a 40-mpg hybrid engine standard.
I REALLY want one, once my Prius hits 14 yr old in 2 yr. Fingers crossed for a plug-in hybrid by then.
bucolic_frolic
(43,167 posts)If you didn't live those times, you didn't learn the lesson.
Gasoline M W F Closed T R Su
Or, they would use the last digit in your license plate. Odd days M W F Even days T R Sa
Wouldn't shortages create some mass shootings today? Amongst all that gasoline?
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Until 1993 or 94
bucolic_frolic
(43,167 posts)And you learned to not accelerate going up hills, no "jack rabbit" starts from traffic lights. Being light on the gas pedal could tease another 1-2 mpg. A mid-size car of the day got maybe 14-16mpg. Carburetors, no fuel injection. It was an era
keep_left
(1,783 posts)...compound turbocharging, etc. Unfortunately, today's engines tend to also be much larger. So while there have been giant steps made in efficiency and emissions control, efficiency in miles per gallon terms has been eaten up by the horsepower war. As an instructive exercise, try looking up the size and horsepower of typical engines from the late '80s and '90s--yes, even the "yuppie cars" like the top-line Honda Accords and Acuras. You'll be shocked how wimpy yesterday's engines were compared with today's.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)On rural stretches of interstate.
In 95 they were allowed to revert back to what they were before the 55 limit was imposed, leading to Montana going back to their Reasonable and Prudent limit for a time. I took this pic shortly after the signs were put up;
That lasted about a year, as performance and sportscar enthusiasts were heading to Montana in order to just haul ass on the freeway!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law
Montanas speed laws;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction#Montana
The speed limit on I-10 in west Texas is 80 MPH for about 400 uninterrupted miles from west of San Antonio to east of El Paso.
keep_left
(1,783 posts)I sure hope he has a cover for the bed, or he's paying one hell of a drag penalty. Money down the drain.
The auto engineers have a term they use for trucks driven without a bed cover: "air haulers".
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)One of the ones with the gas shocks in it so you can raise it up. Wouldn't want to get the bed dirty, doncha know? He's real proud of his truck, for sure.
keep_left
(1,783 posts)in drag for that. I imagine that truck is probably getting somewhere around 12 mpg with the tonneau cover.
Does he have the rear duallies (double wheels)? That's more drag as well.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)big pickup. But, he never puts anything in the bed, so...
But, he could, see...
hydrolastic
(488 posts)I asked one of them how he could afford to pay for the diesel to get to work. He said "His is a gasser so its not too bad" and that "He doesn't live far away"
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Same thing with the folks who remove the tailgate. You would think it saves fuel by reducing drag, but it actually increases drag.
The truck designers have gotten pretty good at aerodynamics. Lots of counter-intuitive stuff. There are some good videos out that explains it better than I can.
Apparently, the bed dip creates and static high pressure area, and the wind blows right over it. Plus the extra weight of the cover that has to be driven all the time.
keep_left
(1,783 posts)The latter can weigh quite a bit and might cost you a bit of a fuel penalty.
All I can say is that it is recommended that the bed be covered when not in use. Not having owned a truck, I can't vouch for the fuel savings.
Old Crank
(3,587 posts)Which could reduce drag and hence increase fuel economy with respect to the cab, bed and tail gate.
The hood being a huge flat wall hurts also but is not the subject of this paper.
A pick up bed creates a dead area that helps send the airflow over it to the tail gate area. Sloping the rear roof of the cab will increase the dead area. A lip spoiler on the tailgate helps with flow at the rear. It in effect makes the tailgate a bit wider.
http://people.se.cmich.edu/yelam1k/asee/proceedings/2011/data/7-155-1-dr.pdf
OneBlueDotS-Carolina
(1,384 posts)puzzled me why folks in places like Canada & Europe mostly drive small 4-cylinder unmanly cars. Only one-ton trucks you see, generally are owned by folks who need such a truck to haul stuff for their jobs. Tires, brakes etc are more expensive to replace.
I shouldn't be saying this as we have an older full-size SUV, we rarely drive it, unless the grands are around or we have folks visiting from the north during the winter. Bought the SUV for next to nothing the last time gas prices spiked. To replace it with a newer fuel-efficient machine....@ 68 years old, I can buy a lot of fuel for the $20K difference a newer machine would cost. I'm rambling, things us geezers do..... Bottom line is the last time I filled up the SUV was in January, still has 3/4 of a tank, my wife's car, filled it up last week & will again in a few more weeks.
Old Crank
(3,587 posts)European version since I live in Munich.
1.5 liter 3 cylinder Turbo, 180 horse power, 6 speed manual. This is a good size car and got over 30 mpg, equivalent, for the driving we did.
Which included small town driving and the autobahn. It could hit 160 kph a little too easily for a economy sedan.
The cars I rent, since we don't own one, are a vast improvement over the old cars. They are very stable on the road and don't shake and rattle. I think I would have been happy with a 100 hp version that would get near 40.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)4 cylinders/5 speed manual
we average 25 mpg
It has hauled everything
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)I had a '96 Ranger with the same engine and transmission. Did everything I needed it to do.
keep_left
(1,783 posts)I know they started making a "new" Ranger, but it's now a midsize, so quite a bit larger.
I remember the days of the "chicken tax" import pickups in the late '80s and '90s. Eventually the tariffs made them uncompetitive, and companies like Mazda threw in the towel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)The 4 cylinder gas sippers are fairly rare
The 6 cylinder 4wd only gets 16 mpg
TexasTowelie
(112,204 posts)MineralMan
(146,313 posts)It would hurt his feelies.
TygrBright
(20,760 posts)A reference to the cost of raising kids versus the cost of having tricked-out ultramacho truckz.
Nortenos can be brutal...
amusedly,
Bright
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)With no one in the other 3 seats.
Why are they just showing off? Compensating for something? Many don't have kids either.
They seem very proud of these overly large 4 seat vehicles. Very manly burning so much extra fuel.
Why don't they just drive a motorcycle? Silence.
chowder66
(9,070 posts)I have a Subaru Crosstrek which I zip around Los Angeles in. Most everything I drive to is within 3 miles.
My odometer is just over 2k and I bought the car new in 2018.
The reason I felt I needed a somewhat bigger car is because I regularly deal with hauling donations (and had two cats that I had to haul back and forth to the vet which I needed the room for).... plus I wanted something I felt safe in considering how many accidents happen around me.
Sometimes people who don't have kids have other reasons for getting a larger vehicle than what seems to be needed.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)I would explain it, but I think the bandwidth would be wasted.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Sad about your truck and those gas prices, though.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Sorry you missed it.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But in some parts of the world, folks DO see a midsize car like a Prius like we see a pickup truck here.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)ReluctanceTango
(219 posts)Just because someone has a 4-seat car and three of the seats happen to be empty when you show up doesn't mean they don't use their back seats.
Maybe the kids weren't with the driver at the time.
Single people have friends they do things with and use the car to do it.
When you have something large to haul, even single people fold down those seats to get it to fit.
During a shopping trip, even single people might need a back seat to stow stuff after the main cargo area fills up.
Even single people have pets who would be safer traveling in a carrier in the back seat than up front. Or would you rather they put their pet in the cargo hold?
When I had to go to classes across three campuses flung all over my city, I kept my backpack and coat in the back seat of my car. They were safer back there than in the front seat, but I didn't have to deal with the trunk to get them, especially since I tended to back into parking spaces, rather than going nose first into them.
When my husband and I travel, we usually put our computers in the back seat, rather than the trunk. We also keep a cooler back there, so that we have cold drinks, snacks and meals at hand rather than having to pay outrageous prices for them at interstate stores. Are we supposed to find a place to stop, get out, go to the back, unlock the door, get a drink, go back to the car and drive--all because almighty you thinks that 1 or 2 people don't need a 4-seater car? Are you paying for any of our meals? Our car payment? No? Then who are YOU to say what our needs are with a car?
IOW: What a judgmental post. You don't know ANYONE's situation for why they have a four-seater car but are driving alone.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)1cheapbeemr
(82 posts)Switching out the backup batteries at cell tower sites - lead acid, 100-200 lbs each, 2-3 dozen in the back. When these things are driven as supposedly intended, under load, they're miserable, unsafe really. Braking more a matter of faith than physics. Hated them. Banging around in these, you gain a quick appreciation for those few pickup drivers that are actually working, and those shiny empty useless ones that were bought in order to 'punch their man card' along with their AR-15 ownership. Unless you have horses, clean pools, or run a drywall crew, there's no reason to own one.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)It was a present "for surviving chemotherapy". We also knew we would be working different schedules and needed a more efficient car. We drove less than 20 miles to work.. Our other car is a 2005 Corolla. It is well taken care of and really just goes back and forth to town. We do own a RAM full size pickup. We live in the country. We remodeled a very old house, we have a tractor and we also have an outdoor wood burning furnace...lots of firewood...no propane to heat. We need a truck. We bought it new in 1997. We hope to not to have to replace it...diesel is expensive but it is not driven unless necessary. We occasionally get offers to sell it. Many scratches and scrapes...it is for utility...
NickB79
(19,244 posts)Smaller than a Ranger, starts at $20,000
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)CanonRay
(14,103 posts)Used It to pull a 5th wheel. When I sold the camper, I used the truck yo tow a car trailer for a move to Oregon. As soon as that was done, I sold the Ford. Got about 16mpg empty. I can't imagine filling that beast today.
Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)There are plenty of REALLY NICE vehicles that cost that or less that get better gas mileage.
Grumpy Old Guy
(3,168 posts)However, I have a legitimate use for it. I tow a thirty foot, four ton travel trailer. I've used smaller tow vehicles, but they weren't really safe. The truck pretty much sits in the driveway when I'm not towing with it. It has very low miles for a truck as old as it is. If you follow our photography contests here on DU you might know that I am a landscape and nature photographer, and it is the most economical way to travel around the country. (Plus, at my age, it's nice to travel around with my own bathroom, LOL).
To be honest, driving a truck this size can be a real pain-in-the-ass. They're impossible to park in many parking lots, won't fit in most parking structures, and are miserable to drive in a big city. Visibility is terrible if you don't know how to use truck mirrors. I don't know why anyone would want to drive one of these beasts if they didn't have to. My last fill-up cost me about $150.
This is Kluane National Park in the Yukon Territory about one hundred miles from the Alaskan border. There was grizzly bear scat all over the place.
3catwoman3
(23,993 posts)...owners of big-ass trucks really need those big-ass trucks.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Rebl2
(13,510 posts)Ford F-350. Like your response to him. I dont understand why people need such big trucks unless its for work. Dont care for giant SUVs either.
onethatcares
(16,168 posts)from a 1998 Chev 2500 not heavy duty due to the motor on the chevy wearing out (210K miles) and a smart mechanic that said, "buy this one the guy across the street just got for resale, You're gonna just toss money away on this one anymore".
I bought outright for 6K, it has 41K miles on it with a capper and a 6 ftish bed. I get 21 mpg instead of 12 to 18 mpg. so far I've put a starter on it and a new battery.
It's used to haul manure, building products, and my self. It works for me.
Your choice to buy your moving truck makes great sense, I'm glad you're a member of Democratic Underground.
nudder story: In 1983 I did a home renov for a guy that just bought a Lexus of some type for 43K. His place was a mess but he sure had a pretty car. I think he dumped the house and lived in that thing.
CaptainTruth
(6,592 posts)As you well know, if you buy a big truck that gets poor gas mileage, you're going to spend more on gas. That's not rocket science. In your case, it sounds like you made the best financial choice.
Maybe school math textbooks should have problems like:
Bob buys a large pickup truck that gets X miles per gallon, he drives Y miles per month. Gasoline costs $G a gallon. How much will Bob spend on gas per month?
Julie buys a hybrid vehicle that gets Z miles per gallon & also drives Y miles per month, the same as Bob. Gasoline costs $G a gallon. How much will Julie spend on gas per month?
Compare & contrast the pros & cons of Bob's choice & Julie's choice.
I know, crazy idea, call me crazy, I've learned to accept the fact that many have & many more will. 😁
ProfessorGAC
(65,044 posts)Back in '87 the band bought a used 26' cabover from a Ryder rental fleet.
Might have been a quite similar base. It was a 1980.
We paid way less than $6k, even adjusting for the 17 year difference.
I believe we paid $1,900 and never did anything but paint out the Ryder logos & replaced the brake lines in the mid 90s.
I don't remember it being quite the gas guzzler you describe. I think it was more like 13 or 14 mpg.
When the band called it quits in 2007, we gave the truck to a Baptist church for their gospel choir. (I was friends with their piano player.) We gave them the drum riser, too. The audio& lighting gear, we sold to a few bars in the area.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)We hit a weigh station on our drive. It weighed 17,600 lbs. Max GVW was 18,000. So, the lousy mileage was probably caused by that.
ProfessorGAC
(65,044 posts)That was with nobody in the cab. But, the light guy and i probably weighed under 300# combined, so still under 20k.
I don't know what engine it had, but I'm certain it was a V-8. It was a GMC.
Not sure why we got it so cheap. Probably knew then & just don't recall that.
Here in Illinois, anything over 8,000 pounds needed a special license. I had to get the one that allowed up to 24,000 because it was above the next class down which ended at 18k.
It was by far the heaviest vehicle I've ever driven.
.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Mine was lighter, I guess. Underpowered, too. Any hill, and I had to downshift. I was doing about 45 mph a lot of the time. Long, hard drive for 2500 miles.
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)garage door. Some of them try to use the visitor parking as their own personal spot too. Fucking truck entitlement, folks! 😛
Also, there is literally a version of some trucks at dealerships here that are called the "Texas Edition." Obviously, the package costs more and has god-knows-what Texas branding on it.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,389 posts)MineralMan
(146,313 posts)He didn't respond to my suggestion.
gulliver
(13,181 posts)People have a habit of decorating themselves with things.
MineralMan
(146,313 posts)Really...
gulliver
(13,181 posts)Hopefully he picked up on your wise suggestion.