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MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:07 PM Jun 2022

In 2004, I bought a 24' gas-guzzling moving van from UHaul.

My wife and I were moving from California to Minnesota, but didn't have a home yet, there. We planned to buy our next home, using the proceeds of our house in California to pay cash for a house in MN. Home prices were way higher in California, so we were able to buy a house for about half of what we realized from the sale of our home.

So, we'd have to store our furniture and everything else for at least a month. So, I did the math, and buying a used moving truck for the move would save us thousands of dollars. It could be stored in Minnesota until move-in day there. No extra loading and unloading costs or high storage fees. Then, once we moved it, we could sell the truck, which we did, for a little less than we paid for it.

That truck cost us $6000 to buy. It was big enough to do the job. I loaded it myself, over a month. Then we set off on our trip.

It seemed like a huge truck to me, despite it being a small truck as moving trucks go. It had a 50-gallon saddle fuel tank. It got between 4 and 6 miles per gallon, depending on whether you were on flat ground or going uphill. We were driving about 400 miles per day, so it stopped at a gas station twice each day. In 2004 in June, gas prices were about $2.10 per gallon on average so every fill-up cost about $100. It took us 6 days to make the drive, with me in the truck and my wife in our minivan, which got much better gas mileage.

So, every day of those six days, I burned about $150 worth of gas. That seemed like a lot, but it was all part of the cost of the move. I needed a big truck to tote my junk from one state to the other state. Want to see what gasoline cost during many, many years? Here's a link:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m

My point? Well, my nephew was complaining about how much a tank of gas cost him last week. He drives a Ford F350 crew cab pickup with the largest gasoline engine available for that truck. I don't know how big his gas tank is, but I'm guessing he spent more to fill it up than I did with my 4 mpg moving truck with the 50-gallon tank.

Why does he have that particular truck? There's no good answer, really. He doesn't haul anything in its bed. He doesn't own a travel trailer or boat to tow behind it. Last time I saw his truck, there wasn't a scratch inside the bed. But, you know, it's a manly truck, that Ford F350. Very manly. He's very proud of it, as well he might be, I suppose.

My response to his complaint was, "Maybe you need a smaller truck?" Silence.

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In 2004, I bought a 24' gas-guzzling moving van from UHaul. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2022 OP
No one forced him to buy that size truck MacKasey Jun 2022 #1
Of course not. He doesn't get that, though. MineralMan Jun 2022 #3
But, but, but he looks GOOD driving it. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #2
I suppose so. Like I said, it's a manly truck. MineralMan Jun 2022 #5
My kids in their 40's who used to tease Tree Lady Jun 2022 #4
Indeed. MineralMan Jun 2022 #6
My Volt hasn't seen a gas station since October JCMach1 Jun 2022 #22
I bought mine almost 5 years ago Tree Lady Jun 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2022 #59
Not at all, it's a 2011 and has lost almost no range JCMach1 Jun 2022 #66
At 78,000 miles the average mpg for all those miles on my Prius was 68 Tumbulu Jun 2022 #31
This is an F-250, so marginally smaller than your nephew's ride, though this one is lifted hatrack Jun 2022 #7
When we decided to sell our house here in MN and move to MineralMan Jun 2022 #13
It appears that Ford does still make the Ranger . . . but . . . hatrack Jun 2022 #16
Yeah, the new Ranger is much bigger. MineralMan Jun 2022 #19
The Ford Maverick is smaller than the Ranger NickB79 Jun 2022 #34
1970s gas shortages, with lines and no gas at times, taught us to get a vehicle with high mpg bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #8
And ... there was a 55 mph speed limit UpInArms Jun 2022 #14
I forgot that, yes that too bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #25
Engines are much more efficient today, with major advances like high-pressure direct injection... keep_left Jun 2022 #27
States were allowed to raise the limit to 65 starting in 1987 A HERETIC I AM Jun 2022 #58
Is this one of the F-350s with the huge duallies in back? keep_left Jun 2022 #9
Oh, yeah. He's got one of those hard tonneau covers on it. MineralMan Jun 2022 #15
Well, at least he's not a total idiot and leaving the bed uncovered. You pay a *big* penalty... keep_left Jun 2022 #20
Yes, he has duallies. You know, to carry a full load in his MineralMan Jun 2022 #21
Where I work there is a parking lot full of these commuter vehicles hydrolastic Jun 2022 #71
Those bed covers actually use a bit more fuel fescuerescue Jun 2022 #29
No, I'm mostly talking about the bed covers, rather than what we used to call "toppers". keep_left Jun 2022 #30
Here is a paper about truck modifications Old Crank Jun 2022 #46
It's always... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Jun 2022 #10
Just rented a Ford Fusion Old Crank Jun 2022 #48
We have a 2000 ford ranger UpInArms Jun 2022 #11
Exactly. That's a useful sort of pickup. MineralMan Jun 2022 #17
They don't even make anything like that anymore, do they? keep_left Jun 2022 #23
They stopped making the real rangers in 2014 UpInArms Jun 2022 #42
Makes me wonder if your nephew might be overcompensating for a different issue. nt TexasTowelie Jun 2022 #12
Well, I'd never suggest such a thing to him... MineralMan Jun 2022 #18
Here in NM he'd get a long stare, and then the remark "You don't have enough children"... TygrBright Jun 2022 #26
I say the same thing about people driving those 4 seat Priuses fescuerescue Jun 2022 #28
I'm sort of one of those. chowder66 Jun 2022 #37
You do, do you? And are you thinking you are making a point when you say that? Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #44
Actually no. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #49
Uh huh. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #50
What are you trying to say? fescuerescue Jun 2022 #51
What are YOU trying to say? Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #52
I already said it. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #53
I didn't. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #54
Relax. It's a joke. fescuerescue Jun 2022 #57
It always is, isn't it? And I'm very relaxed, thanks. Scrivener7 Jun 2022 #61
Maybe you could have explained it better. USALiberal Jun 2022 #70
WTF ReluctanceTango Jun 2022 #65
+1000 USALiberal Jun 2022 #69
Really silly comparison! Nt USALiberal Jun 2022 #68
Had a gig once driving F-250's and F-350's 1cheapbeemr Jun 2022 #32
I drive a Prius, bought new in 2012. TNNurse Jun 2022 #33
Ford Maverick. 40 mpg hybrid truck NickB79 Jun 2022 #35
There you go. MineralMan Jun 2022 #36
I used to have a Ford F-250 Super Duty, V-10, longbed. CanonRay Jun 2022 #38
A huge swath of the American public are seriously over-vehicled... Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #39
That big ass truck cost over $60K too TexasBushwhacker Jun 2022 #40
I have an F-250 with the same engine. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2022 #41
It would be interesting to know how many... 3catwoman3 Jun 2022 #43
Very few. MineralMan Jun 2022 #47
First mistake Rebl2 Jun 2022 #45
I down trended to a 2004 Nissan xe pickup onethatcares Jun 2022 #55
Again, "the consequences of his own actions." CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #56
Interesting ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #60
Mine was a,1986 Chevy truck. MineralMan Jun 2022 #62
We Were19,600 Loaded ProfessorGAC Jun 2022 #63
Yikes! MineralMan Jun 2022 #64
My neighborhood is town houses, in Texas-Some neighbors have trucks so big they can't close the damn NCLefty Jun 2022 #67
Ah yes - The Ford F-150 King Ranch (R)!! hatrack Jun 2022 #72
"Maybe you need a smaller truck" is like asking him if he wants a smaller dick. mnhtnbb Jun 2022 #73
LOL! Exactly. MineralMan Jun 2022 #74
Maybe you "attacked his identity" by telling him his truck was too big gulliver Jun 2022 #75
I just offered him a suggestion to resolve his complaint. MineralMan Jun 2022 #76
On a traditionally rational level, yes. gulliver Jun 2022 #77

Tree Lady

(11,468 posts)
4. My kids in their 40's who used to tease
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:12 PM
Jun 2022

Hippie mom with her Prius are now saying what a great car it is and one of them said they might buy one as next car.

I took a picture of my mileage where it showed I got 500 miles and wasn't on empty on my 10 gal tank, sent it to them.

Prius has a thing while driving to say how mpg is going I usually get 55-60 mpg.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
22. My Volt hasn't seen a gas station since October
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:39 PM
Jun 2022

Most of our miles are electric.

It's a 2011 and paid for.

I paid 8500 for it in about 2016 when gas was cheap.

Response to JCMach1 (Reply #22)

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
66. Not at all, it's a 2011 and has lost almost no range
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 09:32 PM
Jun 2022

GM engineered the hell out of the early ones

#2512 I believe

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
31. At 78,000 miles the average mpg for all those miles on my Prius was 68
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:45 PM
Jun 2022

I traded it in for a Venza, one of Toyota’s hybrid SUV’s because I needed a vehicle with greater clearance on my farm. Average at 10,000 miles is 45 mpg.

I really have no sympathy for people who do not need a big truck having one.

Lots of farmers really do need these vehicles. I don’t know why anyone else does.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
7. This is an F-250, so marginally smaller than your nephew's ride, though this one is lifted
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:16 PM
Jun 2022


The pedestrian is a four-year-old.

In some nerdy Internet circles — specifically, bike and pedestrian advocacy — it has become trendy to take a selfie in front of the bumper of random neighborhood Silverados. Among the increasingly popular heavy-duty models, the height of the truck’s front end may reach a grown man’s shoulders or neck. When you involve children in this exercise it starts to become really disturbing. My four-year-old son, for example, barely cleared the bumper on a lifted F-250 we came across in a parking lot last summer.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/the-dangerous-rise-of-the-supersized-pickup-truck

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
13. When we decided to sell our house here in MN and move to
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:27 PM
Jun 2022

a townhome, I bought a pickup, because there was going to be work for it to do. I bought a 1966 Ford Ranger with a 2.3 liter four-banger engine and manual transmission. Small? Yes, but it did a lot of work getting ready sell and moving into our new place. We hired movers for the main move, but I moved a lot of stuff myself, hauled crap to the dump and recycling place and thrift stores.

Then, when we moved into our new place, I sold the little Ranger for the same money I bought it for and we bought another high gas mileage car.

I've owned maybe 20 pickups. Each of them was purchased because I needed a truck for a while. Then, when that need was gone, I passed it along to the next owner who needed a truck. There's always an old pickup for sale that will do the job, and it will always be worth the same when you sell it along. Sort of a free truck, really. Most of mine have been small pickups, since they hold enough junk to suit me.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
16. It appears that Ford does still make the Ranger . . . but . . .
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jun 2022

Hey, look, a crew cab! And it starts just under $26,000. Oy.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/ranger/

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
19. Yeah, the new Ranger is much bigger.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:34 PM
Jun 2022

Feh! A lot of guys want a small truck. Nobody makes those any longer, though.

NickB79

(19,244 posts)
34. The Ford Maverick is smaller than the Ranger
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:54 PM
Jun 2022

So it's taken the place of the 90's Ranger.

It also starts at $20,000 and comes with a 40-mpg hybrid engine standard.

I REALLY want one, once my Prius hits 14 yr old in 2 yr. Fingers crossed for a plug-in hybrid by then.

bucolic_frolic

(43,167 posts)
8. 1970s gas shortages, with lines and no gas at times, taught us to get a vehicle with high mpg
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:20 PM
Jun 2022

If you didn't live those times, you didn't learn the lesson.

Gasoline M W F Closed T R Su

Or, they would use the last digit in your license plate. Odd days M W F Even days T R Sa

Wouldn't shortages create some mass shootings today? Amongst all that gasoline?

bucolic_frolic

(43,167 posts)
25. I forgot that, yes that too
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:52 PM
Jun 2022

And you learned to not accelerate going up hills, no "jack rabbit" starts from traffic lights. Being light on the gas pedal could tease another 1-2 mpg. A mid-size car of the day got maybe 14-16mpg. Carburetors, no fuel injection. It was an era

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
27. Engines are much more efficient today, with major advances like high-pressure direct injection...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:03 PM
Jun 2022

...compound turbocharging, etc. Unfortunately, today's engines tend to also be much larger. So while there have been giant steps made in efficiency and emissions control, efficiency in miles per gallon terms has been eaten up by the horsepower war. As an instructive exercise, try looking up the size and horsepower of typical engines from the late '80s and '90s--yes, even the "yuppie cars" like the top-line Honda Accords and Acuras. You'll be shocked how wimpy yesterday's engines were compared with today's.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
58. States were allowed to raise the limit to 65 starting in 1987
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 06:08 PM
Jun 2022

On rural stretches of interstate.

In ‘95 they were allowed to revert back to what they were before the 55 limit was imposed, leading to Montana going back to their “Reasonable and Prudent” limit for a time. I took this pic shortly after the signs were put up;



That lasted about a year, as performance and sportscar enthusiasts were heading to Montana in order to just haul ass on the freeway!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law

Montana’s speed laws;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States_by_jurisdiction#Montana

The speed limit on I-10 in west Texas is 80 MPH for about 400 uninterrupted miles from west of San Antonio to east of El Paso.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
9. Is this one of the F-350s with the huge duallies in back?
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:22 PM
Jun 2022

I sure hope he has a cover for the bed, or he's paying one hell of a drag penalty. Money down the drain.

The auto engineers have a term they use for trucks driven without a bed cover: "air haulers".

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
15. Oh, yeah. He's got one of those hard tonneau covers on it.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jun 2022

One of the ones with the gas shocks in it so you can raise it up. Wouldn't want to get the bed dirty, doncha know? He's real proud of his truck, for sure.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
20. Well, at least he's not a total idiot and leaving the bed uncovered. You pay a *big* penalty...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:35 PM
Jun 2022

in drag for that. I imagine that truck is probably getting somewhere around 12 mpg with the tonneau cover.

Does he have the rear duallies (double wheels)? That's more drag as well.

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
21. Yes, he has duallies. You know, to carry a full load in his
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:36 PM
Jun 2022

big pickup. But, he never puts anything in the bed, so...

But, he could, see...

hydrolastic

(488 posts)
71. Where I work there is a parking lot full of these commuter vehicles
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 10:03 AM
Jun 2022

I asked one of them how he could afford to pay for the diesel to get to work. He said "His is a gasser so its not too bad" and that "He doesn't live far away"

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
29. Those bed covers actually use a bit more fuel
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:24 PM
Jun 2022

Same thing with the folks who remove the tailgate. You would think it saves fuel by reducing drag, but it actually increases drag.

The truck designers have gotten pretty good at aerodynamics. Lots of counter-intuitive stuff. There are some good videos out that explains it better than I can.

Apparently, the bed dip creates and static high pressure area, and the wind blows right over it. Plus the extra weight of the cover that has to be driven all the time.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
30. No, I'm mostly talking about the bed covers, rather than what we used to call "toppers".
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:40 PM
Jun 2022

The latter can weigh quite a bit and might cost you a bit of a fuel penalty.

All I can say is that it is recommended that the bed be covered when not in use. Not having owned a truck, I can't vouch for the fuel savings.

Old Crank

(3,587 posts)
46. Here is a paper about truck modifications
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:53 PM
Jun 2022

Which could reduce drag and hence increase fuel economy with respect to the cab, bed and tail gate.

The hood being a huge flat wall hurts also but is not the subject of this paper.

A pick up bed creates a dead area that helps send the airflow over it to the tail gate area. Sloping the rear roof of the cab will increase the dead area. A lip spoiler on the tailgate helps with flow at the rear. It in effect makes the tailgate a bit wider.

http://people.se.cmich.edu/yelam1k/asee/proceedings/2011/data/7-155-1-dr.pdf

OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,384 posts)
10. It's always...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:24 PM
Jun 2022

puzzled me why folks in places like Canada & Europe mostly drive small 4-cylinder unmanly cars. Only one-ton trucks you see, generally are owned by folks who need such a truck to haul stuff for their jobs. Tires, brakes etc are more expensive to replace.

I shouldn't be saying this as we have an older full-size SUV, we rarely drive it, unless the grands are around or we have folks visiting from the north during the winter. Bought the SUV for next to nothing the last time gas prices spiked. To replace it with a newer fuel-efficient machine....@ 68 years old, I can buy a lot of fuel for the $20K difference a newer machine would cost. I'm rambling, things us geezers do..... Bottom line is the last time I filled up the SUV was in January, still has 3/4 of a tank, my wife's car, filled it up last week & will again in a few more weeks.

Old Crank

(3,587 posts)
48. Just rented a Ford Fusion
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 05:17 PM
Jun 2022

European version since I live in Munich.
1.5 liter 3 cylinder Turbo, 180 horse power, 6 speed manual. This is a good size car and got over 30 mpg, equivalent, for the driving we did.
Which included small town driving and the autobahn. It could hit 160 kph a little too easily for a economy sedan.
The cars I rent, since we don't own one, are a vast improvement over the old cars. They are very stable on the road and don't shake and rattle. I think I would have been happy with a 100 hp version that would get near 40.

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
17. Exactly. That's a useful sort of pickup.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jun 2022

I had a '96 Ranger with the same engine and transmission. Did everything I needed it to do.

keep_left

(1,783 posts)
23. They don't even make anything like that anymore, do they?
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jun 2022

I know they started making a "new" Ranger, but it's now a midsize, so quite a bit larger.

I remember the days of the "chicken tax" import pickups in the late '80s and '90s. Eventually the tariffs made them uncompetitive, and companies like Mazda threw in the towel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
42. They stopped making the real rangers in 2014
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:44 PM
Jun 2022

The 4 cylinder gas sippers are fairly rare …

The 6 cylinder 4wd only gets 16 mpg

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
26. Here in NM he'd get a long stare, and then the remark "You don't have enough children"...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 02:58 PM
Jun 2022

A reference to the cost of raising kids versus the cost of having tricked-out ultramacho truckz.

Nortenos can be brutal...

amusedly,
Bright

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
28. I say the same thing about people driving those 4 seat Priuses
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:21 PM
Jun 2022

With no one in the other 3 seats.

Why are they just showing off? Compensating for something? Many don't have kids either.

They seem very proud of these overly large 4 seat vehicles. Very manly burning so much extra fuel.

Why don't they just drive a motorcycle? Silence.

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
37. I'm sort of one of those.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:58 PM
Jun 2022

I have a Subaru Crosstrek which I zip around Los Angeles in. Most everything I drive to is within 3 miles.
My odometer is just over 2k and I bought the car new in 2018.

The reason I felt I needed a somewhat bigger car is because I regularly deal with hauling donations (and had two cats that I had to haul back and forth to the vet which I needed the room for).... plus I wanted something I felt safe in considering how many accidents happen around me.

Sometimes people who don't have kids have other reasons for getting a larger vehicle than what seems to be needed.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
57. Relax. It's a joke.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jun 2022

But in some parts of the world, folks DO see a midsize car like a Prius like we see a pickup truck here.

 

ReluctanceTango

(219 posts)
65. WTF
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:34 PM
Jun 2022

Just because someone has a 4-seat car and three of the seats happen to be empty when you show up doesn't mean they don't use their back seats.

Maybe the kids weren't with the driver at the time.

Single people have friends they do things with and use the car to do it.

When you have something large to haul, even single people fold down those seats to get it to fit.

During a shopping trip, even single people might need a back seat to stow stuff after the main cargo area fills up.

Even single people have pets who would be safer traveling in a carrier in the back seat than up front. Or would you rather they put their pet in the cargo hold?

When I had to go to classes across three campuses flung all over my city, I kept my backpack and coat in the back seat of my car. They were safer back there than in the front seat, but I didn't have to deal with the trunk to get them, especially since I tended to back into parking spaces, rather than going nose first into them.

When my husband and I travel, we usually put our computers in the back seat, rather than the trunk. We also keep a cooler back there, so that we have cold drinks, snacks and meals at hand rather than having to pay outrageous prices for them at interstate stores. Are we supposed to find a place to stop, get out, go to the back, unlock the door, get a drink, go back to the car and drive--all because almighty you thinks that 1 or 2 people don't need a 4-seater car? Are you paying for any of our meals? Our car payment? No? Then who are YOU to say what our needs are with a car?

IOW: What a judgmental post. You don't know ANYONE's situation for why they have a four-seater car but are driving alone.

1cheapbeemr

(82 posts)
32. Had a gig once driving F-250's and F-350's
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:47 PM
Jun 2022

Switching out the backup batteries at cell tower sites - lead acid, 100-200 lbs each, 2-3 dozen in the back. When these things are driven as supposedly intended, under load, they're miserable, unsafe really. Braking more a matter of faith than physics. Hated them. Banging around in these, you gain a quick appreciation for those few pickup drivers that are actually working, and those shiny empty useless ones that were bought in order to 'punch their man card' along with their AR-15 ownership. Unless you have horses, clean pools, or run a drywall crew, there's no reason to own one.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
33. I drive a Prius, bought new in 2012.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 03:49 PM
Jun 2022

It was a present "for surviving chemotherapy". We also knew we would be working different schedules and needed a more efficient car. We drove less than 20 miles to work.. Our other car is a 2005 Corolla. It is well taken care of and really just goes back and forth to town. We do own a RAM full size pickup. We live in the country. We remodeled a very old house, we have a tractor and we also have an outdoor wood burning furnace...lots of firewood...no propane to heat. We need a truck. We bought it new in 1997. We hope to not to have to replace it...diesel is expensive but it is not driven unless necessary. We occasionally get offers to sell it. Many scratches and scrapes...it is for utility...

CanonRay

(14,103 posts)
38. I used to have a Ford F-250 Super Duty, V-10, longbed.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:05 PM
Jun 2022

Used It to pull a 5th wheel. When I sold the camper, I used the truck yo tow a car trailer for a move to Oregon. As soon as that was done, I sold the Ford. Got about 16mpg empty. I can't imagine filling that beast today.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
40. That big ass truck cost over $60K too
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:19 PM
Jun 2022

There are plenty of REALLY NICE vehicles that cost that or less that get better gas mileage.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,168 posts)
41. I have an F-250 with the same engine.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:41 PM
Jun 2022

However, I have a legitimate use for it. I tow a thirty foot, four ton travel trailer. I've used smaller tow vehicles, but they weren't really safe. The truck pretty much sits in the driveway when I'm not towing with it. It has very low miles for a truck as old as it is. If you follow our photography contests here on DU you might know that I am a landscape and nature photographer, and it is the most economical way to travel around the country. (Plus, at my age, it's nice to travel around with my own bathroom, LOL).

To be honest, driving a truck this size can be a real pain-in-the-ass. They're impossible to park in many parking lots, won't fit in most parking structures, and are miserable to drive in a big city. Visibility is terrible if you don't know how to use truck mirrors. I don't know why anyone would want to drive one of these beasts if they didn't have to. My last fill-up cost me about $150.

This is Kluane National Park in the Yukon Territory about one hundred miles from the Alaskan border. There was grizzly bear scat all over the place.



3catwoman3

(23,993 posts)
43. It would be interesting to know how many...
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:45 PM
Jun 2022

...owners of big-ass trucks really need those big-ass trucks.

Rebl2

(13,510 posts)
45. First mistake
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 04:51 PM
Jun 2022

Ford F-350. Like your response to him. I don’t understand why people need such big trucks unless it’s for work. Don’t care for giant SUV’s either.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
55. I down trended to a 2004 Nissan xe pickup
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 05:53 PM
Jun 2022

from a 1998 Chev 2500 not heavy duty due to the motor on the chevy wearing out (210K miles) and a smart mechanic that said, "buy this one the guy across the street just got for resale, You're gonna just toss money away on this one anymore".

I bought outright for 6K, it has 41K miles on it with a capper and a 6 ftish bed. I get 21 mpg instead of 12 to 18 mpg. so far I've put a starter on it and a new battery.

It's used to haul manure, building products, and my self. It works for me.

Your choice to buy your moving truck makes great sense, I'm glad you're a member of Democratic Underground.

nudder story: In 1983 I did a home renov for a guy that just bought a Lexus of some type for 43K. His place was a mess but he sure had a pretty car. I think he dumped the house and lived in that thing.

CaptainTruth

(6,592 posts)
56. Again, "the consequences of his own actions."
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jun 2022

As you well know, if you buy a big truck that gets poor gas mileage, you're going to spend more on gas. That's not rocket science. In your case, it sounds like you made the best financial choice.

Maybe school math textbooks should have problems like:

Bob buys a large pickup truck that gets X miles per gallon, he drives Y miles per month. Gasoline costs $G a gallon. How much will Bob spend on gas per month?

Julie buys a hybrid vehicle that gets Z miles per gallon & also drives Y miles per month, the same as Bob. Gasoline costs $G a gallon. How much will Julie spend on gas per month?

Compare & contrast the pros & cons of Bob's choice & Julie's choice.


I know, crazy idea, call me crazy, I've learned to accept the fact that many have & many more will. 😁

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
60. Interesting
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 06:17 PM
Jun 2022

Back in '87 the band bought a used 26' cabover from a Ryder rental fleet.
Might have been a quite similar base. It was a 1980.
We paid way less than $6k, even adjusting for the 17 year difference.
I believe we paid $1,900 and never did anything but paint out the Ryder logos & replaced the brake lines in the mid 90s.
I don't remember it being quite the gas guzzler you describe. I think it was more like 13 or 14 mpg.
When the band called it quits in 2007, we gave the truck to a Baptist church for their gospel choir. (I was friends with their piano player.) We gave them the drum riser, too. The audio& lighting gear, we sold to a few bars in the area.

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
62. Mine was a,1986 Chevy truck.
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jun 2022

We hit a weigh station on our drive. It weighed 17,600 lbs. Max GVW was 18,000. So, the lousy mileage was probably caused by that.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
63. We Were19,600 Loaded
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jun 2022

That was with nobody in the cab. But, the light guy and i probably weighed under 300# combined, so still under 20k.
I don't know what engine it had, but I'm certain it was a V-8. It was a GMC.
Not sure why we got it so cheap. Probably knew then & just don't recall that.
Here in Illinois, anything over 8,000 pounds needed a special license. I had to get the one that allowed up to 24,000 because it was above the next class down which ended at 18k.
It was by far the heaviest vehicle I've ever driven.
.

MineralMan

(146,313 posts)
64. Yikes!
Sat Jun 18, 2022, 08:15 PM
Jun 2022

Mine was lighter, I guess. Underpowered, too. Any hill, and I had to downshift. I was doing about 45 mph a lot of the time. Long, hard drive for 2500 miles.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
67. My neighborhood is town houses, in Texas-Some neighbors have trucks so big they can't close the damn
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 03:47 AM
Jun 2022

garage door. Some of them try to use the visitor parking as their own personal spot too. Fucking truck entitlement, folks! 😛

Also, there is literally a version of some trucks at dealerships here that are called the "Texas Edition." Obviously, the package costs more and has god-knows-what Texas branding on it.

gulliver

(13,181 posts)
75. Maybe you "attacked his identity" by telling him his truck was too big
Sun Jun 19, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jun 2022

People have a habit of decorating themselves with things.

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