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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo those envisioning NY AG Tish James "getting" Donald Trump, here's some perspective from my wife..
(...a noted Tax Attorney).
It is very rare for people to go to jail for tax fraud. Likely fines and penalties.
Consider what did and didn't happen with the abuses by Trump's sham "Foundation".
Walleye
(31,045 posts)agingdem
(7,857 posts)properties (golf clubs, land, art, autos), investment accounts, bank accounts, close down all grifts, and gag him..no talking to the press, no interviews...an ankle monitor would be nice..yes, I know, civil..may not be prison but Trump without his toys is a isolated diminished Trump
gab13by13
(21,402 posts)it's a civil suit.
If Tish takes a big chunk of Trump's money it could cause him a nervous breakdown though.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,656 posts)And Trump and kids are banned from creating another foundation.
Id be OK with that happening with the Trump Organization.
Novara
(5,851 posts)It can LEAD TO a criminal case, but this is a civil case.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Novara
(5,851 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)The average sentence length for tax fraud offenders was 15 months.
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
Pyryck
(99 posts)Al Capone
Hmm ... maybe we should start tagging TFG with the title of "Public Enemy No 1"? Just asking, for a friend.
Ocelot II
(115,836 posts)MissMillie
(38,579 posts)though I don't know that he'd see jail time.
Then again, there may be more charges to come. The "Stop the Steal" grift could get him.
We'll see.
bcool
(219 posts)If he would get jail time in GA, could the governor pardon him?
If so, and if the governor was Republican, then I could see that happening.
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)Perdue might have.
MissMillie
(38,579 posts)Depending on what the exact charge is, a conviction there could lead to a Federal indictment. What is a violation of state election law is often a violation of Federal election law (though there may be an issue of double jeopardy).
ON EDIT: There's always a chance that if pardoned on a State election charge, he could be charged with a Federal Civil rights violation. The slate of fake electors is the key here--wiping out the voting rights of Georgia voters.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,198 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)Your wife is right . . .
Fani Willis, Fulton County GA (ie Atlanta) is where its at.
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)'Tax Fraud' is, in essence, theft from the government, in fact from the Sovereign people, and is often enough conducted on a titanic scale. There is no real reason why it ought not be punished in the same manner as any other theft. Just like blackmail. which turns information into a weapon to extort funds, 'tax fraud' essentially turns well-crafted lies into a weapon with which to rob the Treasury.
Two things seem worth noting.
First, the people who engage in theft by falsely stating their tax liability are far more deterrable sorts than your run-of-the-mill street thug. Most violent crime is committed by people who for whatever reason lack much impulse control, or possess much in the way of future orientation. They don't think much about what they do, and if you are not looking at things with a mind able to sensibly consider 'if this is done, what comes next?' deterrence is just not on the cards. Little but the most immediate prospect of success will be considered.
This is far from the case with a businessman who cheats on his taxes. He knows he is engaged in sharp practice, just like he knows he is unlikely to suffer any adverse consequences for doing so. There will not be hard time in stir should he get caught. There may be some money fine, but compared to catching five to ten, even in a 'Club Fed', that's a trifle. On the existing mores and practices, criminal evasion of taxes is a reasonable, rational action, that people who feel above and apart from society at large are given no reason not to engage in. People imagine a stiff jail term will deter the unthinking street thug, which it will not, and seem to think kid gloves will not encourage calculated, well-planned, and profitable theft by fountain pen.
Second, the fact that is difficult to jail tax cheats has more to do with who writes the laws than with any difficulty in actually discerning when cheating has occurred. For most crimes, the act demonstrates the intent. If someone menaces another and demands money, no inquiry is made into whether the former knew he acted against the law, and intended to act against the law. Why this should not be the case for someone who understates income, or exaggerates costs, or bleeds income off into shells and trusts is unclear to me. The best explanation seems to be that the class of people who construct the laws regarding tax fraud regard people who engage in it as folks of 'our sort', and accordingly approach the business in a spirit of 'there but for the grace of God go I' rather than one of 'well, we'll soon put a stop to the shenanigans these reprobates get up to'. Legislators don't see themselves reflected in an armed robber. Many legislators are tax cheats. Nobody wants to catch themselves out in crime. And so the laws are drawn to be evaded, an industry grows up to give advice on how to do it while preserving some pretense no fraud was really or knowingly intended.
It's very rare that plausible deniability actually is plausible....
MichMan
(11,971 posts)Technically, every single one of them is guilty of defrauding the government. Many people falsely claim deductions they aren't entitled to and under report income at all income levels.
How many restaurant servers, hair stylists, or door dash delivery drivers claim all their tips? How many construction laborers and landscapers are paid under the table while avoiding all income and SS taxes? How about their employers who don't pay SS , Workman's Comp or UI? Artists selling at street fairs and farmers selling at roadside stands.
These are a different scale than resl estate moguls, but still fraudulent all the same. If caught in an audit, they pay the back taxes and a penalty. If not, they will continue doing what they get away with.